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Immigration agents draw guns and arrest activists following them in Minneapolis
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This is a good excuse claim ignorance. How could she not know, with all that has been happening for 2 months in Minnesota? Undercover agents use non-governmental license plates.
"Lewis, a U.S. citizen, said she has seen SUVs with tinted windows, multiple masked people inside and out-of-state license plates. She goes on neighborhood patrols near schools with a security guard."
"Lewis, a U.S. citizen, said she has seen SUVs with tinted windows, multiple masked people inside and out-of-state license plates. She goes on neighborhood patrols near schools with a security guard."
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With all the DOXXing and illegal protestor showing up at immigration enforcement sites because of social media might be obstruction of justice. We'll have to see.
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They are not "undercover"; they are just using unmarked cars. Police detectives use regular looking cars all the time. That doesn't make the "undercover".
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When using a state license plate for a federal vehicle, it is to conceal that it's not a govt vehicle. Most govt vehicle have govt plated.
Federal law enforcement agencies are generally required to use official U.S. Government license plates on their vehicles, as mandated by the Federal Management Regulation (FMR) 102-34.34. These plates must display "For Official Use Only," "U.S. Government," and the owning agency’s identification.
However, exceptions exist:
- Limited exemptions allow vehicles used for investigative, law enforcement, intelligence, or security duties to be exempt from displaying U.S. Government license plates if identifying the vehicle would interfere with those duties.
- Presidential and executive department vehicles have special exemptions from displaying motor vehicle identification.
- Unmarked or stealth vehicles used in sensitive operations may not display standard government plates, though they must still be registered and comply with federal regulations.
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Apparently the AP is mistaken or lying. I can find no reports of anyone arrested simply for following ICE vehicles.
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If doxxing is illegal, then arrest and prosecute those who actually do it. It is not reasonable to arrest someone because they might do it in the future.
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Immigration agents draw guns and arrest activists following them in Minneapolis
Immigration officers with guns drawn arrested some activists who were trailing their vehicles Tuesday in Minneapolis.
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There is a picture of the alleged suspect....who is in hand cuffs and presumably "under arrest" ....though with these dudes, who knows if they informed them as such.
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A news agency shouldn't presume something like that. There's a big difference between arrest and detention.
Immigration agents draw guns and arrest activists following them in Minneapolis
Immigration officers with guns drawn arrested some activists who were trailing their vehicles Tuesday in Minneapolis.
There is a picture of the alleged suspect....who is in hand cuffs and presumably "under arrest" ....though with these dudes, who knows if they informed her as such.
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Immigration agents draw guns and arrest activists following them in Minneapolis
Immigration officers with guns drawn arrested some activists who were trailing their vehicles Tuesday in Minneapolis
ICE agents pull woman from car as she yells ‘I’m disabled!’ in Minneapolis - National | Globalnews.ca
In the video, several masked ICE agents speak to the woman before an Enforcement and Removal Operations agent smashes the passenger-side window of her vehicle.
globalnews.ca
Warrantless arrests and posing as local police to make (unlawful) vehicle stops are SOP for ICE.
Castañon Nava v. Department of Homeland Security - ACLU of Illinois
UPDATE: Preliminary Settlement Approved. See below and here for more details. Over a six-day period in May 2018, ICE arrested and detained more than 100 people across the Chicago area in “Operation Keep Safe.” Among other tactics, ICE stopped people who officers thought may be Latino, made...
www.aclu-il.org
ICE agreed in 2019 (and again in 2022) that its officers:
"[L]ack federal statutory authority to enforce state or local vehicle or traffic laws"
"[M]ay stop a vehicle to enforce civil immigration laws only if they are aware of specific, articulable facts that reasonably warrant suspicion that the vehicle contains an alien(s) who may be illegally in the country"
"...must document the facts and circumstances surrounding the vehicle stop that resulted in a warrantless arrest ... This documentation shall include the specific, articulable facts that formed the basis for the ICE Officer’s reasonable suspicion that an alien in the vehicle stopped was present within the United States..."
This was followed by state and federal judges ruling in 2025 that in at least 615 cases ICE had made warantless arrests and vehicle stops it didn't have the legal authority to, as well as subject at least some of these individuals to unlawful mandatory detention (including of US citizens).
This behaviour is not only in violation of US law and ICE policy, but also specific court decrees that ICE was bound to obey (and had willfully and voluntarily agreed to, then reversed course three years later and announced it was just going to ignore).
Furthermore, district courts found ICE had "implemented a policy of issuing defective I-200 warrants in the field for the express purpose of avoiding its obligation under § 1357(a)(2) and the Consent Decree". That is, ICE agents were just roaming around with administrative warrants in their pockets and arresting people without probable or sufficient cause because they look a certain way, live in a certain area, speak a certain language or work a certain kind of job or have a certain ethnicity (aka a "Kavanaugh stop").
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None of that is relevant to what happened on February 3 in Minneapolis.Immigration agents draw guns and arrest activists following them in Minneapolis
Immigration officers with guns drawn arrested some activists who were trailing their vehicles Tuesday in Minneapolisabcnews.go.com
ICE agents pull woman from car as she yells ‘I’m disabled!’ in Minneapolis - National | Globalnews.ca
In the video, several masked ICE agents speak to the woman before an Enforcement and Removal Operations agent smashes the passenger-side window of her vehicle.
Warrantless arrests and posing as local police to make (unlawful) vehicle stops are SOP for ICE.
Castañon Nava v. Department of Homeland Security - ACLU of Illinois
UPDATE: Preliminary Settlement Approved. See below and here for more details. Over a six-day period in May 2018, ICE arrested and detained more than 100 people across the Chicago area in “Operation Keep Safe.” Among other tactics, ICE stopped people who officers thought may be Latino, made...
ICE agreed in 2019 (and again in 2022) that its officers:
"[L]ack federal statutory authority to enforce state or local vehicle or traffic laws"
"[M]ay stop a vehicle to enforce civil immigration laws only if they are aware of specific, articulable facts that reasonably warrant suspicion that the vehicle contains an alien(s) who may be illegally in the country"
"...must document the facts and circumstances surrounding the vehicle stop that resulted in a warrantless arrest ... This documentation shall include the specific, articulable facts that formed the basis for the ICE Officer’s reasonable suspicion that an alien in the vehicle stopped was present within the United States..."
This was followed by state and federal judges ruling in 2025 that in at least 615 cases ICE had made warantless arrests and vehicle stops it didn't have the legal authority to, as well as subject at least some of these individuals to unlawful mandatory detention (including of US citizens).
This behaviour is not only in violation of US law and ICE policy, but also specific court decrees that ICE was bound to obey (and had willfully and voluntarily agreed to, then reversed course three years later and announced it was just going to ignore).
Furthermore, district courts found ICE had "implemented a policy of issuing defective I-200 warrants in the field for the express purpose of avoiding its obligation under § 1357(a)(2) and the Consent Decree". That is, ICE agents were just roaming around with administrative warrants in their pockets and arresting people without probable or sufficient cause because they look a certain way, live in a certain area, speak a certain language or work a certain kind of job or have a certain ethnicity (aka a "Kavanaugh stop").
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They can be according to the law. Spontanous protest and uncivil protestors are illegal.
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If it's not otherwise breaking a law (disturbing the peace, disrupting traffic), there can't be anything illegal about spontaneous protest. We do not need a permit to exercise the First Amendment rights of speech and assembly.
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