Why do we do things not written in the Bible?

Bro.T · Monday at 5:36 PM

Jan001 said:
It does not say that Paul went into the synagogues to worship.

It says that he went into the synagogues on the Jewish Sabbath day to persuade them to accept Jesus as their Messiah and that their first covenant was fulfilled (made obsolete) by him. Jeremiah 31:31

Acts 13:13-19 Now Paul and his company set sail from Paphos, and came to Perga in Pamphyl′ia. And John left them and returned to Jerusalem; 14 but they passed on from Perga and came to Antioch of Pisidia. And on the sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading of the law and the prophets, the rulers of the synagogue sent to them, saying, “Brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say it.” 16 So Paul stood up, and motioning with his hand said:

Acts 17:17 Now at Iconium they entered together into the Jewish synagogue, and so spoke that a great company believed, both of Jews and of Greeks. (Greek converts to Judaism) Acts 13:43

Paul tries then to persuade them, using their own Law of Moses prophecy scriptures, that Jesus Christ is their long-awaited Messiah.

Acts 15:21
For from early generations Moses has had in every city those who preach him, for he is read every sabbath in the synagogues.

In other words, Jesus Christ, their Messiah, had been prophesied in the Jewish synagogues every Sabbath day for many generations.
Paul is now telling them in their synagogues on their Sabbath that Jesus Christ is their prophesied Messiah and that they should follow his new covenant.

Explain Jesus new Covenant? One Hint....It have nothing to do with the changing of the Sabbath day and or Holy Sabbath days. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Keep in mind that our God is kind and fair. Those who are keeping Sunday and breaking God's fourth commandment ignorantly are not under condemnation. It's only those who know what God commands and willfully disobey who are committing sin. God's enemy knows that to break one of God's commandments is a sin which hurts our Saviour and robs us of eternal life with Him if not repented of.

And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

The Liturgist · Tuesday at 4:44 PM

@Bro.T still waiting for your reply on the Holy Spirit and other Nicene-related issues.

Bro.T · Tuesday at 5:04 PM

The Liturgist said:
@Bro.T still waiting for your reply on the Holy Spirit and other Nicene-related issues.

What was the question about the Holy Ghost Spirit?

Hentenza · Tuesday at 5:08 PM

@Bro.T

Still waiting for a response to my post 218. Thanks.

Bro.T · Tuesday at 5:16 PM

Hentenza said:
@Bro.T

Still waiting for a response to my post 218. Thanks.

I ask you a question, which was....What Law is Paul saying he's not under?

Hentenza · Tuesday at 5:18 PM

Bro.T said:
I ask you a question, which was....What Law is Paul saying he's not under?

He is not under any law. The verse I quoted explicitly quotes Paul saying that he is not under the law. So what law do you think Paul is under?

Jan001 · Tuesday at 5:54 PM

Bro.T said:
I what asking you, what Law what Paul talking about?

The law of Christ.

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Jan001 · Tuesday at 6:07 PM

Bro.T said:
Explain Jesus new Covenant? One Hint....It have nothing to do with the changing of the Sabbath day and or Holy Sabbath days. The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

The Sabbath was only commanded for the Israelites while they were under the first covenant law. Exodus 31:13

It was not ever commanded for the Christians who are under the new covenant law. Jesus Christ has not changed his teaching. After his resurrection, he taught his followers to worship and rest every week on Sunday, the Lord's day. Hebrews 7:12

Bro.T said:
Keep in mind that our God is kind and fair. Those who are keeping Sunday and breaking God's fourth commandment ignorantly are not under condemnation. It's only those who know what God commands and willfully disobey who are committing sin. God's enemy knows that to break one of God's commandments is a sin which hurts our Saviour and robs us of eternal life with Him if not repented of.

Christians who keep holy the Lord's day are obeying his command to his apostles. His church's teaching has not changed for 2000 years. 2 Thessalonians 2:15

Bro.T said:
And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

Whoever insists that Christians keep the Sabbath of the first covenant Israelites is a troublemaker, and he is breaking the law of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:16

Bro.T · Thursday at 5:02 PM

Jan001 said:
The Sabbath was only commanded for the Israelites while they were under the first covenant law. Exodus 31:13

Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

Jan001 said:
It was not ever commanded for the Christians who are under the new covenant law. Jesus Christ has not changed his teaching. After his resurrection, he taught his followers to worship and rest every week on Sunday, the Lord's day. Hebrews 7:12

Christians who keep holy the Lord's day are obeying his command to his apostles. His church's teaching has not changed for 2000 years. 2 Thessalonians 2:15

How can one who is not of the lineage of Israel, become partakers of the covenant of God? (Ephesians 2:11-22) Let's look at the 11th through 13th verses. "Wherefore remember, that ye being in the time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (12th vs.) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenant of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (13th vs.) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ."

Paul says in Romans 3: 1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? 2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. 3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? 4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written,

Jan001 said:
Whoever insists that Christians keep the Sabbath of the first covenant Israelites is a troublemaker, and he is breaking the law of Jesus Christ. Colossians 2:16

In Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the Sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast days are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to be observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who do not keep these feast day of the Lord, if they were judging them on those High and Holy Sabbath days, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16-17. So if you keep the first day of the week, Sunday, Easter and Christmas Paganism, then it makes no sense to use this verse. You cannot worship other days and God’s, that’s not written in the Bible to do, and then use the Bible to justify it. So if you keep another day thats not written in the Bible, then you are doing something on your own, thus it would really be contradictorily.

Bro.T · Thursday at 5:04 PM

Jan001 said:
The law of Christ.

Matthew 28:18-20
Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

So what is the Law of Christ?

Bro.T · Thursday at 5:05 PM

Hentenza said:
He is not under any law. The verse I quoted explicitly quotes Paul saying that he is not under the law. So what law do you think Paul is under?

I ask you that question, you quoted Paul saying it.

Hentenza · Thursday at 5:12 PM

Bro.T said:
I ask you that question, you quoted Paul saying it.

Paul says that he is not under the law. The law is the Mosaic law, all of it. If he was under any parts of the law he would have told us which parts he was still under.

Hentenza · Thursday at 5:48 PM

Bro.T said:
Is this law for the children of Israel only?

Yes the law was with Israel only.

“Now Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “Listen, Israel, to the statutes and ordinances which I am speaking today for you to hear, so that you may learn them and be careful to do them. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, all of us who are alive here today.”
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Bro.T said:
No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

This verse is not talking about the Mossic law but about the judgement for murdering a person. The word mishpâṭ most common translation is judgement or standard not law. The immediate context speaks about the judgements of murdering a person, death, versus murdering an animal, restitution. The judgement applies to anyone that murders whether Jew or not which would be carried out by the Jews.

Bro.T · 2026-02-07T10:56:59-0600

Hentenza said:
Yes the law was with Israel only.

“Now Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “Listen, Israel, to the statutes and ordinances which I am speaking today for you to hear, so that you may learn them and be careful to do them. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, all of us who are alive here today.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Deuteronomy 5:1-3 (NASB2020) - Now Moses summoned all Israel and s | YouVersion

Now Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “ L isten, Israel, to the statutes and ordinances which I am speaking today for you to hear, so that you may learn them and be careful to do them. The L

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This verse is not talking about the Mossic law but about the judgement for murdering a person. The word mishpâṭ most common translation is judgement or standard not law. The immediate context speaks about the judgements of murdering a person, death, versus murdering an animal, restitution. The judgement applies to anyone that murders whether Jew or not which would be carried out by the Jews.

Thats totally not the truth, you lie! There was a mix multitude of people that came out of Egypt in the days of Moses, where strangers.

Let take a look at those who choose to be with the lord and obey him. Let’s go into Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Bro.T · 2026-02-07T10:57:58-0600

Hentenza said:
Paul says that he is not under the law. The law is the Mosaic law, all of it. If he was under any parts of the law he would have told us which parts he was still under.

Show Bible verses and post copy and paste please!

Hentenza · 2026-02-07T11:18:33-0600

Bro.T said:
Thats totally not the truth, you lie! There was a mix multitude of people that came out of Egypt in the days of Moses, where strangers.

All that came out of Egypt were Israelites or some that converted to Judaism. The problem with accusing others of lying is that it is totally unsupported and you provide no evidence to support your accusation. I am a Christian and I don’t lie.

Bro.T said:
Let take a look at those who choose to be with the lord and obey him.

Lets not. That’s preachy of you.

Bro.T said:
Let’s go into Isaiah 56: 1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

The strangers that follow the law were required to convert to Judaism otherwise they could not enter the temple and had to remain outside. Secondly Isaiah’s audience IS Israel not the church. Thirdly, the law was given only to Israel. We talked about that already.

Btw: I posted a verse that you completely ignored. Let me post it again for you.

“Now Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “Listen, Israel, to the statutes and ordinances which I am speaking today for you to hear, so that you may learn them and be careful to do them. The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb. The Lord did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with us, all of us who are alive here today.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Deuteronomy 5:1-3 (NASB2020) - Now Moses summoned all Israel and s | YouVersion

Now Moses summoned all Israel and said to them: “ L isten, Israel, to the statutes and ordinances which I am speaking today for you to hear, so that you may learn them and be careful to do them. The L

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The law was never given to anyone before Moses. The sabbath was not given to anyone before Moses. The law was given as a covenant for only Israel. These verses prove as much.

Hentenza · 2026-02-07T11:21:12-0600

Bro.T said:
Show Bible verses and post copy and paste please!

There you go.

“To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might gain Jews; to those who are under the Law, I became as one under the Law, though not being under the Law myself, so that I might gain those who are under the Law;”
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“But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭7‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

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But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.

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“We” includes Paul.

ARBITER01 · 2026-02-07T14:24:52-0600

Hentenza said:
The strangers that follow the law were required to convert to Judaism otherwise they could not enter the temple and had to remain outside. Secondly Isaiah’s audience IS Israel not the church. Thirdly, the law was given only to Israel.

Correct.

GOD went back to Abraham who was before the law of Moses, hence why we are called children of Abraham, not moses.

There are just too many areas in scripture where the law of moses is shown to be obsolete and dying, I don't know why anyone would continue to try and make the case that gentile Christians are somehow required to become jewish and abide by moses instead of Jesus.

It's not ignorance, it's outright deception that wants to deceive others.

The Liturgist · 2026-02-07T16:03:14-0600

Bro.T said:
What was the question about the Holy Ghost Spirit?

Affirming the deity of God the Holy Spirit as one of the Trinity, of one essence with the Father, who proceeds from the Father.

Jan001 · 2026-02-08T11:59:07-0600

Bro.T said:
Is this law for the children of Israel only? No. (Leviticus 24: 22) "Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: For I am the Lord your God."

Leviticus 24:19-22
If a man causes disfigurement of his neighbor, as he has done, so shall it be done to him— 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him. 21 And whoever kills an animal shall restore it; but whoever kills a man shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’ ”

IOW, if an Israelite kills anyone, Israelite or not, without a just cause, this Israelite will be put to death.
This law has nothing to do with the Sabbath laws, which were only for the Israelites and the converts to their religion. Exodus 31:13

Bro.T said:
In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Paul is warning these Gentile Christians to ignore the Judaizers who want to make them follow the Law of Moses' dietary laws, sabbath laws, and holy days.

Paul also warns them to ignore the Judaizers who demand that they become circumcised. If they become circumcised into Judaism, they will lose the salvation that they received through their baptism into Christianity.

Paul states that the Law of Moses is slavery. Galatians 5:1-5

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