Maybe Protestants are still too Catholic

eleos1954 · Dec 20, 2022

concretecamper said:
Trent says nothing different. Thank you. Btw, King James Bible? Try the Douay Rheims.

I'm not catholic and not obligated to the interpretations and guiding of Trent ... nor under the rulership of the pope.

The purpose of the Douay Rheims version, both the text and notes, was to uphold Catholic tradition in the face of the Protestant Reformation

No thank you.

concretecamper · Dec 20, 2022

eleos1954 said:
I'm not catholic and not obligated to the interpretations and guiding of Trent ... nor under the rulership of the pope.

The purpose of the Douay Rheims version, both the text and notes, was to uphold Catholic tradition in the face of the Protestant Reformation

No thank you.

Your loss

eleos1954 · Dec 21, 2022

concretecamper said:
Your loss

Phillippians 3:8

Amplified Bible
But more than that, I count everything as loss compared to the priceless privilege and supreme advantage of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord [and of growing more deeply and thoroughly acquainted with Him—a joy unequaled]. For His sake I have lost everything, and I consider it all garbage, so that I may gain Christ,

concretecamper · Dec 21, 2022

eleos1954 said:
Phillippians 3:8

Amplified Bible
But more than that, I count everything as loss compared to the priceless privilege and supreme advantage of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord [and of growing more deeply and thoroughly acquainted with Him—a joy unequaled]. For His sake I have lost everything, and I consider it all garbage, so that I may gain Christ,

as expected, pulling out a scripture verse and twisting it to mean what you want it to mean.

eleos1954 · Dec 21, 2022

concretecamper said:
as expected, pulling out a scripture verse and twisting it to mean what you want it to mean.

who are you without Christ?

concretecamper · Dec 21, 2022

eleos1954 said:
who are you without Christ?

Is the answer Protestant?

Clare73 · Dec 22, 2022

concretecamper said:
Is the answer Protestant?

When the answer is also Roman Catholic.

eleos1954 · Dec 23, 2022

concretecamper said:
Is the answer Protestant?

It's a question directed to you .... Is the answer Catholic?

Yekcidmij · Dec 24, 2022

Daniel Peres said:
On this forum,

Maybe internet forums aren't a representative sample of Protestantism writ large?

Daniel Peres said:
I have come to realize that Protestants don’t just disagree with the Catholic Church, they also disagree with the Protestant Reformers for being too Catholic.

I think it’s clear that 22nd century Protestants will look back on you guys and say, “Those 21st century Protestants meant well, but they were still too Catholic.”

Depends on the Protestant you talk to. It's hard to categorize the behavior and practice of Protestants as uniform. I for one don't know what "too Catholic" is supposed to mean. Too liturgical? Too ...what?

Clare73 · Dec 24, 2022

Yekcidmij said:
Maybe internet forums aren't a representative sample of Protestantism writ large?

Depends on the Protestant you talk to. It's hard to categorize the behavior and practice of Protestants as uniform. I for one don't know what "too Catholic" is supposed to mean. Too liturgical? Too ...what?

Probably holding too closely to some Catholic beliefs.

Yekcidmij · Dec 24, 2022

Clare73 said:
Probably holding too closely to some Catholic beliefs.

I'm still not sure what it means. Either you beleive X or you don't. I'm not sure what "holding too closely to some Catholic beliefs" means. What's "too close?"

Clare73 · Dec 24, 2022

Yekcidmij said:
I'm still not sure what it means. Either you beleive X or you don't. I'm not sure what "holding too closely to some Catholic beliefs" means. What's "too close?"

My first guess would be salvation and works.

FredVB · Feb 3, 2026

Insofar as morality conforming to the Bible especially what is shown in the new testament Protestants and Catholics are generally alike. That does not seem unusual. Is it enough? Maybe being more like Jesus in our values would be better. And he would say it was not so in the beginning. When we might pray "Your will on earth as it is in heaven" we should mean it with how we will live now, it would be more like as it was in the beginning. But both Protestants and Catholics see much of what they read through their cultural lenses, and I really notice that.

ViaCrucis · Feb 3, 2026

FredVB said:
Insofar as morality conforming to the Bible especially what is shown in the new testament Protestants and Catholics are generally alike. That does not seem unusual. Is it enough? Maybe being more like Jesus in our values would be better. And he would say it was not so in the beginning. When we might pray "Your will on earth as it is in heaven" we should mean it with how we will live now, it would be more like as it was in the beginning. But both Protestants and Catholics see much of what they read through their cultural lenses, and I really notice that.

Historically, both Protestants and Catholics (and Orthodox) are working from the same biblical principles of ethics, which emphasize human dignity, the supremacy of love, and acts of service.

So I'm unsure how this would be a problem; or how historic Christian ethics are to be understood as somehow beside or outside biblical moral formation--as the Christian ethical core is rooted in the unchanging truth of God's revealed Law and Christ's Person.

As Luther said, the Christian lives by faith in Christ, and by love toward neighbor; without faith and love there is no Christian. So that, as St. Paul wrote, "For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love." (Galatians 5:6).

If the issue is that, frequently, Christians have failed to uphold our high principles--that has nothing to do with Catholic or Protestant, but with our own fallenness; and that because we are sinful we often find ways to even justify our wickedness under a veneer of religiosity. In the same way we see the Lord condemning those Pharisees and scribes who knew the Law, but acted contrary to the Law; who did not practice what they preach and who were hypocrites who used religion to harm rather than edify. That ancient impulse must always be fought against.

Xeno.of.athens · Feb 4, 2026

Daniel Peres said:
On this forum, I have come to realize that Protestants don’t just disagree with the Catholic Church, they also disagree with the Protestant Reformers for being too Catholic.

I think it’s clear that 22nd century Protestants will look back on you guys and say, “Those 21st century Protestants meant well, but they were still too Catholic.”

I wonder if there will be any protestants in the 22nd century.

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