Federal agents kill Alex Pretti

ThatRobGuy said:

Arizona v. United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The 2012 ruling leveraged aspects of the INA for Arizona v US to establish federal supremacy, but the anti-commandeering principle wasn't a focus of the 2012 ruling

It doesn't seem like the analysis you posted touches on the preemption aspects I noted... (which was the core focus of Arizona v. US)

The majority opinion analyzed the four provisions in question within the framework of preemption, derived from the Supremacy Clause, requiring federal law to prevail when state and federal laws conflict. The Court held that "the Federal Government has occupied the field of alien registration" and so all state action and "even complementary state regulation is impermissible."[43] Therefore, the registration provisions of Section 3 were preempted by federal law. In contrast to Section 3, the criminal provisions of Section 5 had no direct counterpart under federal law, which led the Court to apply the "ordinary principles of preemption" rather than the doctrine of field preemption. Under those principles, Section 5 stood as an obstacle to the objectives of Congress of not imposing "criminal penalties on aliens who seek or engage in unauthorized employment". Therefore, Section 5 was also preempted by federal law.

Section 6 of SB 1070 was also found to be preempted by federal law on the basis that it created an "obstacle to the full purposes and objectives of Congress".

Kennedy's opinion embraced an expansive view of the United States Government's authority to regulate immigration and aliens, describing it as "broad" and "undoubted". That authority derived from the legislative power of Congress to "establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization", enumerated in the Constitution,[41] as well as the longstanding interpretation of federal sovereignty in areas pertaining to the control and conduct of relations with foreign nations.[42] In this context, federal discretion as to whether or how immigration laws are enforced is an important component of Congressional authority.


So the analysis you posted, and the aspects I posted are focused on two different facets.

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No, but could Arizona v US be used to argue for that states must help ICE, which I understood as the important aspect?

I guess the famous american spirit of resistance doesn't extend much further than blowing into whistles and getting shot in the street like dogs.

Nithavela said:

I guess the famous american spirit of resistance doesn't extend much further than blowing into whistles and getting shot in the street like dogs.

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Who was shot down like a dog for blowing a whistle?

Landon Caeli said:

Oh really? Do you realize Iran killed 30,000 protesters in 2 days (Jan. 8, 9)? And here, we had two deaths, total, not by protesters, but by agitators, forcing armed people to make spit second decisions, while blowing whistles and screaming in their faces.

I think these agitators killed themselves. It's their own fault 100% that they are dead, because they make poor life decisions (bringing a gun while agitating officers) and have zero self-preservation skills.

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And there’s the truth right there. You’ve designed values to people and determined which fundamental rights they should or shouldn’t have based on how much you like them or what they’re saying.

Since when did you change your viewpoint that people have a don’t have the right to carry a permitted firearm in accordance with 2A? That doing so isn’t smart, isn’t practical, and makes you deserving of being shot by police? When did that change?

Then, if you could, explain to the class why you’re saying that the person committing no violence shouldn’t have had a gun because they make poor life decisions and thus imply the other people there should also not be armed while protesting (which is their constitutionally protected right), but when somebody mows down children in classrooms your first move say “oh you better not infringe on my right to have a gun?” You positively sprint over the still warm, maimed bodies of children to say with your whole chest how gun ownership shall not be infringed. Charlie Kirk said a few deaths on the altar of 2A is for the greater good… Are we saying the route to getting you to infringe on 2A was to show you that means a liberal might have a gun and need to protect themselves from you?

Landon Caeli said:

It's funny when people claim personal responsibility doesn't matter, knocking people's drinks over and agitating someone in a bar - all that matters is that the one who loses in the end is "the victim"... And then these same people decry Trump over his personality traits, and how he communicates.

...Makes no sense.

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Well, we finally agree on something. That post makes absolutely no sense.

Nithavela said:

I guess the famous american spirit of resistance doesn't extend much further than blowing into whistles and getting shot in the street like dogs.

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I mean, lots of us are doing more than just that…

Stopped_lurking said:

No, but could Arizona v US be used to argue for that states must help ICE, which I understood as the important aspect?

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There's a difference between
"someone forcing to help them"
vs
"actively impeding or attempting to nullify with methods of your own"


Sort of an "inaction vs. opposition action" situation.

For instance (and this may be a simplistic example)
You're a federal leader, and you've issued a directive that you're going to start cracking down on illegal guns

(Inaction)
I as a city leader would be within my rights to say "I don't believe in that, so if you want to do it, it's on you, we're not going to spend our time and effort on that...this is your thing, you figure out how to do it".

vs
(Opposing action)
I as a city leader decide to pass my own ordinances that orders gun stores to not retain purchase records, and start providing "no questions asked" anonymous gun drop boxes so that people can basically ditch evidence, and instructs local PD and prosecutors not to pursue any gun citation cases to make sure there's nothing usable for you should you ever get an administrative warrant to peruse our files.

All with the aims of making sure you can't accomplish the thing you're trying to accomplish for ideological reasons.


The inaction is protected (though ill-advised if we look at outcomes of 2013 vs. now)

Opposing action is a potential point of legitimate grievance.

ThatRobGuy said:

There's a difference between
"someone forcing to help them"
vs
"actively impeding or attempting to nullify with methods of your own"

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If they are allowed to use those methods in those ways, their shouldn't be a problem.

ThatRobGuy said:

Sort of an "inaction vs. opposition action" situation.

For instance (and this may be a simplistic example)
You're a federal leader, and you've issued a directive that you're going to start cracking down on illegal guns

(Inaction)
I as a city leader would be within my rights to say "I don't believe in that, so if you want to do it, it's on you, we're not going to spend our time and effort on that...this is your thing, you figure out how to do it".

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Getting out of secure communities and the priority enforcement program is this, is it not? Didn't you think that was problematic when states opted out of those as well.

ThatRobGuy said:

vs
(Opposing action)
I as a city leader decide to pass my own ordinances that orders gun stores to not retain purchase records,

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Is this actually regulated on city level?

ThatRobGuy said:

and start providing "no questions asked" anonymous gun drop boxes so that people can basically ditch evidence, and instructs local PD and prosecutors not to pursue any gun citation cases to make sure there's nothing usable for you should you ever get an administrative warrant to peruse our files.

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If that is what is normally in the jurisdiction of a city leader what is the problem? Why did you change the discussion to guns now? How is this connected to how INA limits the states?

ThatRobGuy said:

All with the aims of making sure you can't accomplish the thing you're trying to accomplish for ideological reasons.

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If the constituents of that city wishes for it and it is not illegal, why would I have problem with it? If it is under the purview of the city, it is ok if they do it for ideological reasons. Most political leaders are in some ways driven by ideology.

ThatRobGuy said:

The inaction is protected (though ill-advised if we look at outcomes of 2013 vs. now)

Opposing action is a potential point of legitimate grievance.

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Why don't ICE go through the courts first, then? Or get congress to create a law, if they are in a hurry and can get it passed.

BPPLEE said:

I thought the maximum sentence for a misdemeanor was one year and anything that carried a sentence beyond that had to be a felony

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While the felony/misdemeanor difference part isn't completely clear from what I could see in the NYS criminal code, what is *very* clear is that the "364 day max" clearly only applies to sentences which were previously listed as having "one year" or "365 day" maximum.

Tropical Wilds said:

And there’s the truth right there. You’ve designed values to people and determined which fundamental rights they should or shouldn’t have based on how much you like them or what they’re saying.

Since when did you change your viewpoint that people have a don’t have the right to carry a permitted firearm in accordance with 2A? That doing so isn’t smart, isn’t practical, and makes you deserving of being shot by police? When did that change?

Then, if you could, explain to the class why you’re saying that the person committing no violence shouldn’t have had a gun because they make poor life decisions and thus imply the other people there should also not be armed while protesting (which is their constitutionally protected right), but when somebody mows down children in classrooms your first move say “oh you better not infringe on my right to have a gun?” You positively sprint over the still warm, maimed bodies of children to say with your whole chest how gun ownership shall not be infringed. Charlie Kirk said a few deaths on the altar of 2A is for the greater good… Are we saying the route to getting you to infringe on 2A was to show you that means a liberal might have a gun and need to protect themselves from you?

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Oh, you think I have some previous viewpoints on guns, or that I'm a second amendment kind of guy... But I don't own any guns, and I have no interest really, in learning about gun laws, or even how to use one.

...And because of that really biased, stereotypical assumption from your post, I will be saying goodbye to you once again. If your posting style becomes less aggressive, and less scatterbrained one day, maybe we can converse again.

Until then,
Good luck

Protesting anything trump wants needs to bring the death penalty. We just need to make ICE etc judge, jury and executioners of his will. That will solve all problems.

Innsmuthbride said:

Protesting anything trump wants needs to bring the death penalty. We just need to make ICE etc judge, jury and executioners of his will. That will solve all problems.

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Just attend protests fully armed, and throw yourselves into the middle a full blown scuffle between ICE agents and agitators. If you're not dead yet, then swerve toward a cop, and just bump him a "little", but not too bad.

...I'll be at home.

<EDIT DISCLAIMER> Do Not do those things! It's a sad reality that we live in, that I need to explain this.

Landon Caeli said:

Bring more guns to the protests, and bring your rage. It’s the only solution... Also, more paramedics. I'll be at home taking part in the "outrage economy", helping to catalyze more of this.

...We can do it together!

Armed Citizens Stand Guard in Minneapolis Where Alex Pretti Was Shot

Video from FreedomNews.TV shows at least two men with rifles standing guard where an armed man was shot by a federal agent Saturday morning.

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I could not help but think of these souls. My thought after reading your post is that you want to add more victims to this list. I would highly recommend, for your own good, that you not bring guns & rage to a fight with law enforcement. You will lose. You will either be un-alived or spend a long portion of your life in prison.
DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS PERSON!!!! (Also note that while you are on the front line getting un-alived, he will be "at home."
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Because of this, I no longer consider myself Pro-life, because now that I know how unbearably stupid humanity is, I just can't respect all life, no matter the spiritual ramifications.

...I am only anti-abortion, but not pro-life, because babies are innocently pure, and not deserving of death. But people who are this dumb, maybe shouldn't be alive.

Landon Caeli said:

Because of this, I no longer consider myself Pro-life, because now that I know how unbearably stupid humanity is, I just can't respect all life, no matter the spiritual ramifications.

...I am only anti-abortion, but not pro-life.

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No one was mislead by the anti-abortion claim to be "pro-life".

Hans Blaster said:

No one was mislead by the anti-abortion claim to be "pro-life".

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Good. At least for me, it's not.

Landon Caeli said:

Oh, you think I have some previous viewpoints on guns, or that I'm a second amendment kind of guy... But I don't own any guns, and I have no interest really, in learning about gun laws, or even how to use one.

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I will literally never understand people on this forum announcing they don’t know something, they aren’t interested in knowing something, they don’t want to learn anything, but they’re going to have an opinion and comment anyway.

Landon Caeli said:

...And because of that really biased, stereotypical assumption from your post, I will be saying goodbye to you once again. If your posting style becomes less aggressive, and less scatterbrained one day, maybe we can converse again.

Until then,
Good luck

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So if I stop making you look bad and start conducting myself more gently so as not to hurt your feelings, you’ll go back to telling me about the topics you don’t know, understand, and don’t want to learn about…?

Not going to lie, my dude, but I’m not seeing an upside to that statement. Maybe I’m just too scatterbrained to see it. You know how us blue haired liberal women are.

Landon Caeli said:

Because of this, I no longer consider myself Pro-life, because now that I know how unbearably stupid humanity is, I just can't respect all life, no matter the spiritual ramifications.

...I am only anti-abortion, but not pro-life, because babies are innocently pure, and not deserving of death. But people who are this dumb, maybe shouldn't be alive.

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I think that is quite a post to hang your hat on.

Landon Caeli said:

...I am only anti-abortion, but not pro-life, because babies are innocently pure, and not deserving of death. But people who are this dumb, maybe shouldn't be alive.

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I've read it twice on these here forums that the Palestinians ones aren't. Somebody should tell them and set the record straight.

Post deleted, to live another day here.