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Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

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Then why did you ask for a link?
You asked a question and I answered it.
And I said thank you - yeesh

I wanted to see who you were using for sources. I was comfortable until I read the bottom of your post. I don't deal in that level of drama.

The Government and ICE are following the law - that is why ever lawsuit trying to stop them has ultimately failed.

The Governor of the State - the Mayor of the city openly calling for resistance, the police not cooperating with federal law enforcement all have their part of play in this violence - the violent protesters who are throwing frozen water bottles, shooting fire works - ramming vehicle, surrounding law enforcement all have their role to play in this.

It's not one sided.
 
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However the Minnesota police have pointed out the poor job ICE did with the scene and left it compromised. That would affect the investigation by others. And usually local police are involved
What make you believe them? Aren't they the ones not responding to calls for back up? Aren't they diametrically opposed to the Federal Law enforcement officers? Why should anyone believe them when they are under orders to resist?
 
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What make you believe them? Aren't they the ones not responding to calls for back up? Aren't they diametrically opposed to the Federal Law enforcement officers? Why should anyone believe them when they are under orders to resist?
Why do you say they are diametrically opposed to the Feds? Feds and local police work together all the time. and especially in big cases that go national. For instance, the Boston Marathon bombing. Feds and local police worked together.
When an agency is heavily questioned like ICE is, the investigation needs to be above-board and include others. This administration is anything but transparent and ICE sure isn't.
 
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I think the term is "co-prosperity sphere." At least it was in 1941.
That was Japan and suggested the other members would benefit in some way.
Yep. Japanese MAGA.
This is all about the one and only United States taking land and resources to benefit the United States period.
Maybe so. But Trump has shown he doesn't care about anything but Trump. There's something in it for him or he won't do it.
 
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When an agency is heavily questioned like ICE is, the investigation needs to be above-board and include others. This administration is anything by transparent and ICE sure isn't.
I can't think of a time, even during Watergate, where federal law enforcement tried to hide evidence from local police, as ICE is doing now.
 
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I can't think of a time, even during Watergate, where federal law enforcement tried to hide evidence from local police, as ICE is doing now.
they just didn't get caught or publicly exposed. happens all the time.
 
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I think the term is "co-prosperity sphere." At least it was in 1941.

Yep. Japanese MAGA.

Maybe so. But Trump has shown he doesn't care about anything but Trump. There's something in it for him or he won't do it.

When I say "United States" what I mean is Donald Trump and his administration, the only legitimate representation of the US.
 
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As ICE agents killed Alex Pretti, the investigation needs to imclude other agencies like is usually done and not be just ICE.

DHS investigating itself?

This after the head of DHS has repeatedly lied.
 
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What's going on in Minneapolis right now is creating a convenient diversion for the democrats away from the multi-billion money fraud scheme.
They have to find a new investigator anyway. The original one quit over the governments mishandling of the Renee Good shooting and their refusal to investigate normally.

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And I said thank you - yeesh

I wanted to see who you were using for sources. I was comfortable until I read the bottom of your post. I don't deal in that level of drama.

The Government and ICE are following the law - that is why ever lawsuit trying to stop them has ultimately failed.

The Governor of the State - the Mayor of the city openly calling for resistance, the police not cooperating with federal law enforcement all have their part of play in this violence - the violent protesters who are throwing frozen water bottles, shooting fire works - ramming vehicle, surrounding law enforcement all have their role to play in this.

It's not one sided.
But it is VERY questionable if they are following the law. They hid their faces and didn't identify themselves when first grabbing people off the street. Now they have to identify as police like all the state and local police have to. And we learned last week about the memo:


Federal immigration officers are asserting sweeping power to forcibly enter people’s homes without a judge’s warrant, according to an internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement memo obtained by The Associated Press, marking a sharp reversal of longstanding guidance meant to respect constitutional limits on government searches.​
Local and state and the FBI have to have warrants, but ICE doesn't. They are ignoring the law. It directly violates the 4th amendment.


Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers began forcibly entering homes without judicial warrants last summer, two administration officials told NBC News.​
An internal document, dated May 12, 2025, but made public by two whistleblowers earlier this week, told officers they could rely on an administrative warrant to enter homes if there was an order to remove someone from the country.​
Administrative warrants are signed by officials in ICE field offices and generally permit officers and agents to make arrests — a lower legal standard than a warrant signed by a judge or magistrate, which is broadly what is needed when law enforcement enters a home......​
The officials did not specify how many homes had been entered. But they told NBC News that the May memo followed a March 2025 opinion from the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of the General Counsel, though DHS legal opinions are not the same as settled law. Charlie Wall, recently named acting deputy director of ICE, has been tasked with implementing the policy, the officials said.​
There is every reason to question the tactics of ICE and the ineptitude of Noem and others in the administration. Too much is outside the law.
 
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The unjust killing of Alex Pretti marks a turning point in Trump’s second term


The unjust killing of Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old nurse in Minneapolis, marks a turning point in President Donald Trump’s second term. His mass deportation campaign has been a moral and political failure, leaving American citizens feeling outraged and unsafe.

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Most Americans want a secure border, and they think violent criminals should be deported. That’s a large part of why Trump returned to the White House. The overreach of the past year, however, could consume his presidency and lead to more tragedy. If Trump won’t change course on his own, can Republicans in Congress save him from himself?
 
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Within hours of a Border Patrol agent's killing of Alex Pretti on Saturday, Minnesota officials launched a series of extraordinary legal maneuvers to stake local authorities' claim to investigate the shooting.
Why it matters: The moves are meant to counter what state officials and legal experts framed as unprecedented obstruction by federal authorities surrounding a shooting investigation that — under most circumstances — would involve state and local authorities.

"This is uncharted territory," Attorney General Keith Ellison told reporters Sunday. "We've never had to do anything like this before."

  • "Closing the crime scene, sweeping away the evidence, defying a court order and not allowing anyone to look at it … This is an inflection point in America," added Gov. Tim Walz.
Context: The moves appear geared toward avoiding a repeat of the aftermath of an ICE agent's fatal shooting of Renee Good on Jan. 7.
  • In that case, state investigators pledged a joint investigation with the FBI — only for the U.S. Attorney's Office to kick them off the probe a day later.
  • Trump administration officials have since said there's no need for a federal investigation into the Good shooting, and continue to deny Minnesota officials access to evidence they'd routinely use to investigate a law enforcement shooting.
State of play: A U.S. District Court judge will hold a hearing Monday afternoon after Minnesota officials sued in federal court to "vindicate their right to access evidence," including the names of the agents involved in Pretti's shooting.
  • The judge issued an order Sunday temporarily barring the FBI and Department of Homeland Security from "destroying or altering evidence" gathered after Pretti's shooting.
In the hours after Pretti's shooting, state investigators obtained a search warrant from a Hennepin County judge to access the scene of Pretti's death — an "unusual" move, they noted in a federal court filing — but federal agents refused to honor it and physically blocked state investigators from the area.
 
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I carry a handgun. Am I a domestic terrorist? | Opinion

Jerry Patterson, author of Texas' Concealed Handgun Law, writes that the shooting of Alex Pretti was wrong, and federal officials' response has been worse.



If I brandish my handgun in the presence of a peace officer, I expect to get shot. If it remains untouched in my holster, I don’t expect to get shot. Until Saturday in Minneapolis that was a pretty simple concept. What happened?

Therein lies the question. Will we ever know the answer? I don’t think so. Was there a crime scene investigation? No, and federal authorities apparently have no intention of conducting any type of investigation.

Did the victim, Alex Pretti, draw or attempt to draw his weapon? As videos indicate, was he already disarmed before a federal border patrol officer fatally shot him multiple times in the back?
 
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Then a person who murders someone but is not presently murdering someone is not a murderer
Correct. In a court case the case is framed as being about the murder or unlawful killing of A, not for C being a murderer. Isn't being guilty of murder serious enough for you? Also the parallel is not quite right since murder is a specific crime whereas "illegal" implies the result of a court case. Someone found guilty of murder is not generally called an "illegal" so why pick out immigration for this usage? Also, immigration can hardly be compared to murder in seriousness, unless you are extremely xenophobic. Is someone caught speeding referred to as an illegal driver? (Speeding can be dangerous to human life)
 
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Why is it only one specific crime gets the dehumanizing label “illegal”? Why don’t we call murderers or unlicensed drivers “illegals”?
Sorry I didn't see this until after I posted and put far more succinctly than I did.
 
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Correct. In a court case the case is framed as being about the murder or unlawful killing of A, not for C being a murderer. Isn't being guilty of murder serious enough for you? Also the parallel is not quite right since murder is a specific crime whereas "illegal" implies the result of a court case. Someone found guilty of murder is not generally called an "illegal" so why pick out immigration for this usage? Also, immigration can hardly be compared to murder in seriousness, unless you are extremely xenophobic. Is someone caught speeding referred to as an illegal driver? (Speeding can be dangerous to human life)
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You can call me Ray or you can call me Jay or you can call me RJ or you can call me RJJJ, but you don't have to call me Johnson
 
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I can't believe - I won't believe that you honestly think that people are trying to protect murderers and rapists. It's not easy to understand at all. So why are you and others saying such a monstrously nonsensical thing? The vast majority of people in Minneapolis would love to see the worst criminal elements taken off the streets. Pretty obviously I would suggest. Although it appears not to be obvious to you.

Are you saying these things so people objecting to the tactics of ICE can be demonized? In which case any violence against them - and even killings, can be, in your mind, justified? You and the rest of the US are heading down an extremely dangerous path right now, my friend. Aren't you aware of that?

If things get as bad as I think they could, then many will have to shoulder some of the blame for their comments. Maybe some quiet introspection is required.
Lemme break it down for you into simple segments:
Illegal aliens who committed heinous crimes were allowed into the country because of Biden's policies.
Most of them are in "sanctuary cities" such as Minneapolis.
Trump is having ICE arrest and deport them.
Radical anti-American protesters/rioters are trying desperately to stop that from happening.
Conclusion: The radical anti-American protesters/rioters in Minneapolis want those illegal aliens to remain in Minneapolis.
 
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Carrying a gun in public will always be a stupid thing for anyone to do I’m sure we both agree on that.

But the fact is that America is perceived to be such a dangerous place that to go out unarmed triggers enough anxiety that people think it’s worth the risk. Personally I can’t see any reason to need a gun but I don’t live in America.

But he did not pull the gun. So (in America where it is a right to be able to have guns) where’s the beef?
The beef is when a guy carries a loaded gun and willingly goes out looking for trouble. ICE agents have already been shot at. It's entirely possible (and I'm not saying it is a certainty by any means) that he may done that himself. A full-sized pistol when extended sites for longer range shooting is hardly a typical concealed-carry piece.
 
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A selected still shot only shows what you want it to show. Why not post a video? They're all over the thread. We haven't forgotten what they show.
They show an innocent unarmed man being murdered.
 
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