• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
  • We hope the site problems here are now solved, however, if you still have any issues, please start a ticket in Contact Us

Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

Status
Not open for further replies.

Perpetual Student

Fighting ignorance, one textbook at the time
Jan 28, 2025
340
342
55
Mechelen
✟48,626.00
Country
Belgium
Gender
Male
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Private
The Republican Party narrative should be "obey the law or face the consequences".
I agree with that narrative.
But let us then apply that to everybody. No ifs or buts, no exceptions, no immunities, special cases or pardons.
Apply it to everybody.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
30,735
13,852
78
✟462,431.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
But he did not pull the gun. So (in America where it is a right to be able to have guns) where’s the beef?
Apparently, the Second Amendment is also now considered to be criminal by the Trump administration. The NRA is going through a moment of cosmic cognitive dissonance.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Larniavc
Upvote 0

Aryeh Jay

Stuck on a ship.
Site Supporter
Jul 19, 2012
18,578
17,349
MI - Michigan
✟753,213.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I agree with that narrative.
But let us then apply that to everybody. No ifs or buts, no exceptions, no immunities, special cases or pardons.
Apply it to everybody.

Hey now, I came up with a simple narrative to control the off the wall insanity exhibited by the hate America crowd and you are trying to weave it into a draconian rule that oppresses the very people we should be protecting at all costs.
 
Upvote 0

wing2000

E pluribus unum
Site Supporter
Aug 18, 2012
26,299
22,191
✟1,839,534.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
...and you thought this was about immigration enforcement:

"In the wake of the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis on Saturday at the hands of Border Patrol, Attorney General Pam Bondi sent a letter to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz (D) requesting access to the state’s voting and welfare records, suggesting that such a step could end the surge of federal immigration enforcement officers in the state."

....

Minnesota Secretary of State Steve Simon (D), who oversees the state’s voter rolls, rejected Bondi’s demand Sunday, calling it unlawful and “an apparent ransom to pay for our state’s peace and security.”
“Her letter is an outrageous attempt to coerce Minnesota into giving the federal government private data on millions of U.S. Citizens in violation of state and federal law,” he said in a statement.


Aka "Extortion"
 
Upvote 0

Aryeh Jay

Stuck on a ship.
Site Supporter
Jul 19, 2012
18,578
17,349
MI - Michigan
✟753,213.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Apparently, the Second Amendment is also now considered to be criminal by the Trump administration. The NRA is going through a moment of cosmic cognitive dissonance.

Perhaps they'll get more overseas funding from loyal patriots who share the same vision.
 
Upvote 0

Danthemailman

Well-Known Member
Jul 18, 2017
4,166
3,177
Midwest
✟402,076.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
I see. The new party line is that shooting down American citizens for legally protesting or carrying a licensed firearm is good, but not spending state funds to hunt down undocumented workers is bad. This is why Americans have finally had enough.


Nearly two-thirds of Americans have turned against ICE and their tactics:
WASHINGTON, DC: Public unease over Immigration and Customs Enforcement is growing, with new polling showing a clear majority of Americans rejecting the agency's tactics amid an intensified immigration crackdown.

There's really no point in denial. Americans tolerate illegal immigrants because they build the American economy. You see, Adam Smith was right about the "hidden hand." A market economy is smarter than politicians. It's very well-documented that removing all illegal aliens would damage our economy and make us poorer.
  • Policies: We examine two distinct policy scenarios regarding the deportation of unauthorized immigrants: (i) A 4-year policy where 10 percent of unauthorized immigrants are removed annually over four years (2025 – 2028), with unauthorized immigration returning to baseline levels in 2029; (ii) A 10-year policy where 10 percent of unauthorized immigrants are removed each year for a period of ten years, ultimately removing all unauthorized immigrants and preventing the entry of new unauthorized immigrants thereafter. In both scenarios, immigration laws concerning authorized workers remain unchanged.
  • Budget: The 4-year policy would increase primary deficits by about $270 billion before economic feedback effects and $350 billion with economic feedback effects. The 10-year policy would cost about $862 billion before economic feedback effects and $987 billion with economic feedback effects. Besides lost revenue, these primary deficits include new required outlays that are in addition to the monies (about $170 billion) already allocated in the 2025 OBBBA for border security, interior enforcement, and deportation.
  • Economy: Not surprisingly, most aggregate economic variables fall. By 2034, the 4-year policy reduces GDP by 1.0 percent; the 10-year policy reduces it by 3.3 percent. By 2054, the 4-year policy reduces real GDP by 1.0 percent; the 10-year policy reduces it by 4.9 percent. But per-capita economic variables also mostly decline, including a fall in the average wage of 0.5 percent (4-year policy) and 1.7 percent (10-year policy). Output per capita also falls between 0.5 percent and 1.1 percent.

The upside for Trump and his friends would be a marked drop in wages for middle-tier jobs. More profits in the short-term, even as the economy would contract. But eventually, the wealthy would suffer too. Like a lot of businessmen, Trump thinks in the short term only.
You are unbelievable and you are also not fooling me for one second.
 
Upvote 0

Danthemailman

Well-Known Member
Jul 18, 2017
4,166
3,177
Midwest
✟402,076.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
My brother in law is beyond fed up with all the cunning and dangerous rhetoric and nonsense from the left and had this to say:

"The left is always about the outcome. The left would use their own mother to accomplish their goal! They need a martyr. Even if the individual brought things upon themselves. They love to twist the truth. These illegals, have raped, killed, tortured, robbed and beat Americans and the democrats could care less. They only care about power, money and control. This situation is going to explode! Our country will never function properly ever again. Both sides, the right and the left hate one another. They will never agree. The march is on. Socialist and Communist minded politicians and are winning elections and they will not stop until they destroy America!"

Like it or not, this is where we are in America.
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
154,085
20,297
USA
✟2,152,009.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
He was with a group of protesters/rioters/agitators or whatever you want to call them, and was there to interfere with federal agents doing their jobs. So yes, he could have found something better to do.

I'm glad you point out that this is a Christian forum. What does the Bible say about respecting authority? Does the policeman bear the sword for nothing?
This is pretty hypocritical when you look at the pardoned J6ers. The man had a holstered gun but it is legal. He never pulled it. He never had a chance to fight with the ICE agents. Probably all he did was hurt their 'fee-fees' and they killed him. A US citizen who was an ICU nurse and cared about how the city of Minneapolis is being treated right now.
In contrast, there were armed and violent rioters (insurrectionists) at the Capitol who actually fought with Capitol police and hurt them. 33 have been charged with crimes. Those J6er included three who were found guilty of sex crime against children (one being guilty of lewd and lascivious molestation of a child under 12), another who charged with home invasion, others who were plotting .to kill FBI agents who investigated him and was armed, and more. Yet MAGA Republicans think of them as heroes or mistreated. They committed crimes. Alex did not!

ICE agents shouldn't murder a man because they did not like what he said or was protesting. Alex had the right of free speech, he had the right to protest. He didn't pull a gun and he did not deserve to be shot in the back. Those agents murdered him.
A lot of Republicans did not like it.

A growing number of Republicans are pressing for a deeper investigation into federal immigration tactics in Minnesota after a U.S. Border Patrol agent fatally shot a man in Minneapolis, a sign that the Trump administration's accounting of events may face bipartisan scrutiny.​
House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Andrew Garbarino sought testimony from leaders at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, saying "my top priority remains keeping Americans safe."​
A host of other congressional Republicans, including Rep. Michael McCaul of Texas and Sens. Thom Tillis of North Carolina, Bill Cassidy of Louisiana, Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, pressed for more information. Their statements, in addition to concern expressed from several Republican governors, reflected a party struggling with how to respond to Saturday's fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old intensive care nurse at a VA hospital.​

In the immediate aftermath of Alex Pretti’s killing at the hands of federal agents on Saturday, federal officials quickly alleged the victim was guilty of domestic terrorism and offered up a version of events that appeared to contradict footage of the incident. But after widespread pushback, including from several Republicans, President Donald Trump said his administration will be looking into Pretti’s death, and that he will send new leadership to oversee the increasingly restive scene in Minneapolis.​
The killing of Pretti, a registered nurse who worked in the ICU at the Minneapolis VA Medical Center, sparked outrage nationwide. Scores of elected Democrats in Minnesota and across the country called for federal agents to leave the city and for Noem’s resignation. But several Republican members of Congress have also called for an inquiry into the shooting with some even urging the actions of the Department of Homeland Security and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement be probed.​
The ICE agents need to be charged with murder.
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
154,085
20,297
USA
✟2,152,009.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
hmmm... I have NEVER called you a liar - I have too much respect for your position -

When you Disagree:

Members who participate in the American Politics forum are expected to treat one another with courtesy and respect at all times, ESPECIALLY when you disagree with each other.
  • When you disagree, address the context of the post and not the poster.
  • When you disagree with someone's position, you should post evidence and supporting statements for your position. This policy, sometimes referred to as "X means Y because of Z", must be followed especially when posting claims that are widely considered to be controversial.
  • When you disagree and you find yourself becoming frustrated and angry, step away from the computer and give yourself time to cool down.


Can I kindly request that a senior member of the Advisory Team follow the forum rules - Not a complaint - an inquiry. Members tend to follow leadership.
Spreading lies is spreading lies. I was criticizing the content of your post. IF you wish to discuss this further, send a pm or start a ticket. You know where.
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
154,085
20,297
USA
✟2,152,009.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat

Comments from ICE director - starts at 20 min mark.
He is just spouting spin. Many Republicans are calling for an investigation because the videos do not match what the administration is saying.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: Paulos23
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
30,735
13,852
78
✟462,431.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
The upside for Trump and his friends would be a marked drop in wages for middle-tier jobs. More profits in the short-term, even as the economy would contract. But eventually, the wealthy would suffer too. Like a lot of businessmen, Trump thinks in the short term only.

You are unbelievable
But an economic analysis from people who actually know the facts is compelling.
you are also not fooling me for one second.
Perhaps someone beat me to it. But the facts remain. Why do you think we never did anything effective to remove these workers? It's because America was making money on the labor of these people. They were paying taxes and putting money into things like Social Security that they will never get back. Why do you think Trump has paramilitary units killing American citizens in Minnesota when there are many more illegal aliens elsewhere? It's all theater, and an attempt to coerce the state to release the personal information of millions of Americans to Trump.

The economy is smarter than the government.
 
  • Like
Reactions: camille70
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
30,735
13,852
78
✟462,431.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
Thankfully for President Trump, one third of the country supports him and his vision of a greater American prosperity sphere
I think the term is "co-prosperity sphere." At least it was in 1941.
 
Upvote 0

Danthemailman

Well-Known Member
Jul 18, 2017
4,166
3,177
Midwest
✟402,076.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The upside for Trump and his friends would be a marked drop in wages for middle-tier jobs. More profits in the short-term, even as the economy would contract. But eventually, the wealthy would suffer too. Like a lot of businessmen, Trump thinks in the short term only.


But an economic analysis from people who actually know the facts is compelling.

Perhaps someone beat me to it. But the facts remain. Why do you think we never did anything effective to remove these workers? It's because America was making money on the labor of these people. They were paying taxes and putting money into things like Social Security that they will never get back. Why do you think Trump has paramilitary units killing American citizens in Minnesota when there are many more illegal aliens elsewhere? It's all theater, and an attempt to coerce the state to release the personal information of millions of Americans to Trump.

The economy is smarter than the government.
Folks on the left are the great projectionists.
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Site Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
154,085
20,297
USA
✟2,152,009.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Obstruction is not purely physical.

By blowing whistles they're alerting those in the area that know they ought to flee to do so.
That is a stretch. They certainly do not deserve to be murdered for it.
 
Upvote 0

Aryeh Jay

Stuck on a ship.
Site Supporter
Jul 19, 2012
18,578
17,349
MI - Michigan
✟753,213.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I think the term is "co-prosperity sphere." At least it was in 1941.

That was Japan and suggested the other members would benefit in some way.

This is all about the one and only United States taking land and resources to benefit the United States period.
 
  • Agree
Reactions: The Barbarian
Upvote 0

Aryeh Jay

Stuck on a ship.
Site Supporter
Jul 19, 2012
18,578
17,349
MI - Michigan
✟753,213.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
What's going on in Minneapolis right now is creating a convenient diversion for the democrats away from the multi-billion money fraud scheme.

And also preventing the release of the Epstein files because of all the violence from the other side.
 
Upvote 0

GoldenBoy89

Abolish ICE
Sep 25, 2012
27,578
30,546
LA
✟684,185.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
My brother in law is beyond fed up with all the cunning and dangerous rhetoric and nonsense from the left and had this to say:

"The left is always about the outcome. The left would use their own mother to accomplish their goal! They need a martyr. Even if the individual brought things upon themselves. They love to twist the truth. These illegals, have raped, killed, tortured, robbed and beat Americans and the democrats could care less. They only care about power, money and control. This situation is going to explode! Our country will never function properly ever again. Both sides, the right and the left hate one another. They will never agree. The march is on. Socialist and Communist minded politicians and are winning elections and they will not stop until they destroy America!"

Like it or not, this is where we are in America.
Didn’t your side win? Aren’t you getting everything you voted for?

How are y’all still so mad?
 
Upvote 0

GoldenBoy89

Abolish ICE
Sep 25, 2012
27,578
30,546
LA
✟684,185.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
He is just spouting spin. Many Republicans are calling for an investigation because the videos do not match what the administration is saying.
Some are starting to realize some of them and their supporters might one day find themselves on the receiving end of this administration’s wrath.
 
Upvote 0

Always in His Presence

Jesus is the only Way
Site Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
51,508
18,657
Broken Arrow, OK
✟1,131,828.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
He is just spouting spin. Many Republicans are calling for an investigation because the videos do not match what the administration is saying.
Care to share a link showing Many Republicans calling for an investigation.
 
Upvote 0
Status
Not open for further replies.