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Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

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They're trying to do their job. The mobs in the streets are attempting to hinder them from arresting violent criminals.
First, blowing whistles and photographing police is not obstruction, which requires a physical act of interference. Second, the violence in these cases is entirely on the part of federal officers who should know better.
 
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Supreme Court says it's a Constitutional right.

Look at the videos of the two killings. Do you think they'd be in any danger of consequences without those videos?
It almost sounds like you're saying that they were there to their own shootings.
 
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First, blowing whistles and photographing police is not obstruction, which requires a physical act of interference. Second, the violence in these cases is entirely on the part of federal officers who should know better.
Only one way to prove that. Next time you see a police officer in the middle of a traffic stop, go up to him and start blowing a loud whistle directly in his face, and then hold up your camera to film his reaction. I'll be waiting to see it on Youtube (hopefully not from a bystander's camera).
 
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First, blowing whistles and photographing police is not obstruction, which requires a physical act of interference. Second, the violence in these cases is entirely on the part of federal officers who should know better.
Obstruction is not purely physical.

By blowing whistles they're alerting those in the area that know they ought to flee to do so.
 
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Quoted from post #314, indicating he was helping the "protesters" in their activities:
I drove to Nicollet Ave. and 26th where I could hear the whistles coming from. Iturned south onto Nicollet. There were already several ICE agents there and they'dset up a sort of vehicle convoy on Nicollet and 28th- There were also about 15observers there, recording and observing ICE.4. I saw ICE agents surrounding cars and punching car windows. I also saw themstopping vehicles further down Nicollet, so I backed up because I didn't feel safecontinuing on.5. I noticed a man sort of acting to help traffic move more smoothly. He helped mefind a place to park. I got out with my whistle and my camera. I went over to him and said something like, "I'm going to film and use my whistle."


They're trying to do their job. The mobs in the streets are attempting to hinder them from arresting violent criminals. Do you think Christians should support police, or should they support criminals and criminal behavior?


Don't try to make this personal. I haven't killed anyone, so what am I supposed to be remorseful over? If you mean "emphatic", that's different. I can understand how a persons death affects those around them. I've had empathy for women who have been lit on fire and stabbed in the neck by illegals just for using a public transportation method. Women who have been raped by illegals also deserve empathy, and part of that extends to wanting to see the perpetrators be arrested and deported from this country. Too bad the so-called protesters don't have such empathy. They are too busy showing how much they hate our law enforcement officers.


"Leading" (whatever you mean by that) doesn't mean agreeing with you.
If Petti had been stabbed in the neck on the subway by a career criminal would there be this much concern?
Or if he were killed by an illegal immigrant would we know his name?
 
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Obstruction is not purely physical.
That's how the law defines it. One has to do something, not merely say something to an officer. In fact, absent a clear evidence of a crime, it's not even obstruction to refuse to identify to a police officer.
By blowing whistles they're alerting those in the area that know they ought to flee to do so.
Since ICE has killed more American citizens in Minneapolis than they have killed illegal aliens, the whistles are clearly more useful to Americans.
 
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If Petti had been stabbed in the neck on the subway by a career criminal would there be this much concern?
Or if he were killed by an illegal immigrant would we know his name?
For some reason, Americans get more worked up about government killing citizens. Go figure.

New York Times poll shows 6 in 10 voters say ICE enforcement has gone too far

The findings suggest ICE’s enforcement methods, not immigration policy alone, are driving backlash

As libertarians say, people should not fear government; government should fear the people.
 
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First, blowing whistles and photographing police is not obstruction, which requires a physical act of interference. Second, the violence in these cases is entirely on the part of federal officers who should know better.

Only one way to prove that. Next time you see a police officer in the middle of a traffic stop, go up to him and start blowing a loud whistle directly in his face
Show us it was directly in his face. It's not a crime to blow a whistle in public.
and then hold up your camera to film his reaction.
That's not a crime either. You're assuming that the average cop is a thug who assaults people who are not breaking the law. And the great majority of them are not like that.
 
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By blowing whistles they're alerting those in the area that know they ought to flee to do so.
Not illegal, either. The precedent was when a man put up a sign in his yard, warning drivers of a speed trap up the road. He was arrested, but the courts held that it was perfectly permissible and a right guaranteed in the Constitution.
 
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First, blowing whistles and photographing police is not obstruction, which requires a physical act of interference. Second, the violence in these cases is entirely on the part of federal officers who should know better.


Show us it was directly in his face. It's not a crime to blow a whistle in public.
Just watch the videos you keep talking about. The woman did it just before she was shoved.
 
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First, blowing whistles and photographing police is not obstruction, which requires a physical act of interference. Second, the violence in these cases is entirely on the part of federal officers who should know better.


Show us it was directly in his face. It's not a crime to blow a whistle in public.

That's not a crime either. You're assuming that the average cop is a thug who assaults people who are not breaking the law. And the great majority of them are not like that.
I have not seen anyone do that in this thread.

People have implied and perhaps someone has said that the average ICE agent is a thug. That is an entirely different thing.

Once upon a time the Feds were the best trained police officers. Recently I have had the chance to chat with private security officers. At least here in California the training required to be licensed is more than it seems ICE agents get. (Being charitable and thinking that their actions are because of poor training rather than poor character).
 
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To de-escalate things, ICE would have to start handcuffing all the rioters which would mean having attention taken away from arresting the criminal illegal aliens the rioters are protecting. Will the rioters be willing to make such a sacrifice?
I see protest=riot, again.
 
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I see protest=riot, again.
Voicing disapproval = protest
Becoming violent = riot
These people on the streets of Minneapolis attacking law enforcement are rioters. No different than the BLM rioters. Same city of origin and everything. Let's see how many multi-million dollar mansions they'll buy with whatever money they manage to extort from people this time around..
It's easy to understand why they want to protect the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens though. They're really no different. Also explains how the Somali fraud scheme worked so well there.
Trump should have the D.O.J. investigate the entire state of Minnesota. Who knows what other criminal enterprises would be discovered.
 
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Why not show the one who shot an unarmed woman that day? Or the ones who shot numerous teargas canisters directly into the faces of people who were in a crowd and couldn't escape?
That were of course domestic terrorists who would still be among us if they had stayed at home that day.
 
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It's easy to understand why they want to protect the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens though.
I can't believe - I won't believe that you honestly think that people are trying to protect murderers and rapists. It's not easy to understand at all. So why are you and others saying such a monstrously nonsensical thing? The vast majority of people in Minneapolis would love to see the worst criminal elements taken off the streets. Pretty obviously I would suggest. Although it appears not to be obvious to you.

Are you saying these things so people objecting to the tactics of ICE can be demonized? In which case any violence against them - and even killings, can be, in your mind, justified? You and the rest of the US are heading down an extremely dangerous path right now, my friend. Aren't you aware of that?

If things get as bad as I think they could, then many will have to shoulder some of the blame for their comments. Maybe some quiet introspection is required.
 
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Are you saying that it's common sense to pick up a loaded gun and go the scene of where federal agents are doing their job and then get in their faces?
Carrying a gun in public will always be a stupid thing for anyone to do I’m sure we both agree on that.

But the fact is that America is perceived to be such a dangerous place that to go out unarmed triggers enough anxiety that people think it’s worth the risk. Personally I can’t see any reason to need a gun but I don’t live in America.

But he did not pull the gun. So (in America where it is a right to be able to have guns) where’s the beef?
 
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I trust what I see with my own eyes.
So the guy was out to massacre the most people he could? That’s why he was defensively shot in the back multiple times?
 
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