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Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

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Also, "directing traffic" is not filming.
This may come as a shock, but most human beings have two hands, and it only takes one of them to hold a phone, leaving the other free to do other things. Like direct traffic, or help fellow protestors who have been shoved to the ground.
 
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Treat ICE like dangerous animals seems to be the message here.
The rioters are the ones making the situation dangerous. The ICE agents would be able to safely do their job (as they have in many other locations) if it weren't for them.

Is it illegal?
Was he a traffic control officer? Was he a road construction crew member? Or was he just another one of the troublemakers that were there to help out his fellow troublemakers? (Hint: It's the 3rd one.)
 
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This may come as a shock, but most human beings have two hands, and it only takes one of them to hold a phone, leaving the other free to do other things. Like direct traffic, or help fellow protestors who have been shoved to the ground.
They also have one brain to make stupid or wise decisions, and 2 feet to take the person to either where they should be, or into places where the brain should be telling him to stay away from. Too bad his feet and brain didn't coordinate very well.
 
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I’m not sure shoving a woman to the ground is really a law enforcement matter.

How many dainty women have you pushed to the floor throughout your career?

You were a police officer. You see a woman get pushed to the ground. Are you just going to go about your business like nothing happened? You would be a pretty terrible cop if you did, right?
Question: Is this hypothetical happening while his fellow cops are being attacked on a minute by minute basis?
 
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I’m not sure shoving a woman to the ground is really a law enforcement matter.

How many dainty women have you pushed to the floor throughout your career?

You were a police officer. You see a woman get pushed to the ground. Are you just going to go about your business like nothing happened? You would be a pretty terrible cop if you did, right?
Get it on video. File a complaint. Petti was not a law enforcement officer, you’re asking what I would do as a cop.
I don’t agree with the way ICE his going about things but confronting them while openly.carrying a firearm is not the way to go about things
 
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The rioters are the ones making the situation dangerous. The ICE agents would be able to safely do their job (as they have in many other locations) if it weren't for them.


Was he a traffic control officer? Was he a road construction crew member? Or was he just another one of the troublemakers that were there to help out his fellow troublemakers? (Hint: It's the 3rd one.)
The same people who are reminding us that ICE can’t enforce traffic laws are arguing that civilians can direct traffic
 
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The same people who are telling us that ICE can’t enforce traffic laws are arguing that civilians can direct traffic
They're also complaining that a woman was shoved by an ICE agent. But what's the difference if it's a woman or a man being shoved? Women and men are equal and there's no differences between them. It might have even been a man who believes he's a woman. And here they are assigning gender to someone who isn't even here to defend him/her self.
 
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They're also complaining that a woman was shoved by an ICE agent. But what's the difference if it's a woman or a man being shoved? Women and men are equal and there's no differences between them. It might have even been a man who believes he's a woman. And here they are assigning gender to someone who isn't even here to defend him/her self.
It’s not clear what the person who was shoved did either
 
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They're also complaining that a woman was shoved by an ICE agent. But what's the difference if it's a woman or a man being shoved? Women and men are equal and there's no differences between them. It might have even been a man who believes he's a woman. And here they are assigning gender to someone who isn't even here to defend him/her self.
Because it was a woman who was shoved. If it had been a man then people would say that ICE shoved a man. Maybe you would prefer the more woke “person”?
 
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Because it was a woman who was shoved. If it had been a man then people would say that ICE shoved a man. Maybe you would prefer the more woke “person”?
We can’t be sure these days
 
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It’s not clear what the person who was shoved did either
From what I saw in the video, she came running up from behind him, then came around front and immediately blew a whistle just inches from his face. Then he shoved her.
 
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Because it was a woman who was shoved. If it had been a man then people would say that ICE shoved a man. Maybe you would prefer the more woke “person”?
I'm looking out for the feelings of woke protesters. Don't invade my safe space!
 
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From what I saw in the video, she came running up from behind him, then came around front and immediately blew a whistle just inches from his face. Then he shoved her.
Yeah. They expect him to just stand there and do nothing while they do whatever they want
 
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Yeah. They expect him to just stand there and do nothing while they do whatever they want
The whistles were originally to warn criminals that ICE was coming (obstruction). Now they use them to blow right in the face of an officer (assault). And that's when they're not carrying guns with enhanced sites and extra magazines.
 
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The whistles were originally to warn criminals that ICE was coming (obstruction). Now they use them to blow right in the face of an officer (assault). And that's when they're not carrying guns with enhanced sites and extra magazines.
That’s for traffic enforcement
 
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He was with a group of protesters/rioters/agitators or whatever you want to call them, and was there to interfere with federal agents doing their jobs. So yes, he could have found something better to do.

And you have zero evidence of this. Everything we have seen so far only shows him videotaping.

Those who follow Christ are supposed to uphold the truth, not make unsupported accusations.


I'm glad you point out that this is a Christian forum. What does the Bible say about respecting authority? Does the policeman bear the sword for nothing?

So you think you can cherry pick one verse from scripture, and that exonerates you? Police have to follow the law just like everyone else. Are the ICE agents doing that?

But what's most disturbing is how you can come on here and not show one ounce of regret or remorse for what happened - and instead make conjured up statements about a man who was killed. Woe unto you sir.

And to top it all off, you sport the banner of being a leader on this forum. Do you know that the bible says that leaders will be held to a higher standard?
 
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It was said he lived in the neighborhood. Most likely when he heard the whistles he came out to start filming. I agree they shouldn't be blowing them in the faces of officers but originally it was for the purpose of alerting people so they could bear witness.
 
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And you have zero evidence of this. Everything we have seen so far only shows him videotaping.

Those who follow Christ are supposed to uphold the truth, not make unsupported accusations.

Quoted from post #314, indicating he was helping the "protesters" in their activities:
I drove to Nicollet Ave. and 26th where I could hear the whistles coming from. Iturned south onto Nicollet. There were already several ICE agents there and they'dset up a sort of vehicle convoy on Nicollet and 28th- There were also about 15observers there, recording and observing ICE.4. I saw ICE agents surrounding cars and punching car windows. I also saw themstopping vehicles further down Nicollet, so I backed up because I didn't feel safecontinuing on.5. I noticed a man sort of acting to help traffic move more smoothly. He helped mefind a place to park. I got out with my whistle and my camera. I went over to him and said something like, "I'm going to film and use my whistle."

So you think you can cherry pick one verse from scripture, and that exonerates you? Police have to follow the law just like everyone else. Are the ICE agents doing that?
They're trying to do their job. The mobs in the streets are attempting to hinder them from arresting violent criminals. Do you think Christians should support police, or should they support criminals and criminal behavior?

But what's most disturbing is how you can come on here and not show one ounce of regret or remorse for what happened - and instead make conjured up statements about a man who was killed. Woe unto you sir.
Don't try to make this personal. I haven't killed anyone, so what am I supposed to be remorseful over? If you mean "emphatic", that's different. I can understand how a persons death affects those around them. I've had empathy for women who have been lit on fire and stabbed in the neck by illegals just for using a public transportation method. Women who have been raped by illegals also deserve empathy, and part of that extends to wanting to see the perpetrators be arrested and deported from this country. Too bad the so-called protesters don't have such empathy. They are too busy showing how much they hate our law enforcement officers.

And to top it all off, you sport the banner of being a leader on this forum. Do you know that the bible says that leaders will be held to a higher standard?
"Leading" (whatever you mean by that) doesn't mean agreeing with you.
 
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