Was Jesus more of a leftest or a right winger?

stevevw · Sunday at 9:32 AM

Mercy Shown said:
I’m increasingly convinced that the real issue beneath many of our political, moral, and cultural failures is not simply which system we choose, but whether its guiding mores are genuinely shared rather than imposed.

Any community without commonly held moral commitments will eventually fragment. At a global scale, a world that denies universal moral reference points has no principled way to resist violence or corruption—only temporary power arrangements. History suggests those arrangements do not hold.

This helps explain why the former USSR did not collapse merely because communism was economically flawed, but because Marxist ideals were imposed rather than embraced. Compliance replaced conviction. That moral dissonance was compounded by widespread corruption among the leadership, whose relative luxury stood in stark hypocrisy to the egalitarian ideals they espoused. Once legitimacy was lost, cohesion followed. Capitalism is not immune to the same fate; when it degenerates into crony capitalism and becomes rife with corruption, it too loses moral credibility.

All of this brings us to the God question, and more specifically to Jesus—arguably the most radically counterintuitive moral figure in human history. His teachings invert every instinct of power and survival: strength through weakness, love of enemies, living at peace when possible, going the second mile when coerced to go one. In this sense, Jesus stands even against nature itself, which operates by survival of the fittest. His ethic does not arise from biology, self-interest, or power; it directly contradicts them.

Crucially, Jesus does not impose this moral vision. He invites it. His kingdom advances only where hearts are transformed, never by coercion. That alone sets Him apart from every political ideology. And it may be precisely why His teachings remain both so disruptive—and so enduring.

And I think its exactly what is needed now as a counter to the political and cultural war going on. Which includes many churches becoming political.

I think Jesus was neither Left or Right politically. What the Left and Right fundementally represent is Christs truth. Political parties or other groups co op Christs truths and then apply them through the lens of their ideology.

I think fundementally the Left relate more to the idea that Love covers all wrongs. Even overlooking sin and repentence. They can take Christ love too far and try to create an inclusive kingdom on earth rather than in heaven.

Whereas the Right are more traditional. Trying to repeat the same practices and beliefs as tradition. Which at the extreme can mean using religion to control others with threat of punishment from God. Overlooking Christs love and acceptence.

But I find it hard to understand how Christ could be a full Leftist. By its very nature the Left side of politics has to allow ideas that go against Christs Truths and Gods law and order.

So I like the Love and acceptance of the Left and this being tempered by the authority and tradition of the right. A good balance. But there is a lot that cannot apply as primarily this is politics and not religion. Politics can never fully be Christlike by its nature.

Thats why Christ said “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

Mercy Shown · Sunday at 6:52 PM

The Barbarian said:
In the news, Noem offered to remove ICE from Minnesota, if the state would hand their voter rolls over to Trump. Trump is looking for ways to rig the next elections.

The number of illegal aliens in Minnesota is a small fraction of the number in red states like Texas. This was never about illegal aliens.

Congress and both political parties are guilty of never seriously addressing immigration reform. They like it as a political football too much meanwhile there are consequences for real people because of politicians desire to bash each other.

I have come to view politicians as some of the lowest life forms (with no hope of ever evolving) and I feel sorry for people who get duped into cheerleading for "there side." No one will drain the swamp because they all end up loving to swim in it.

Palmfever · Sunday at 7:45 PM

leghul said:
i feel like that as a christian you should not engage all too much in politics as both sides are" compromised and following a political ideology will be a trap in the end times

True.
But...
Politization becomes the goal of some who wish to frame moral issues in a political light. This engages politicians, the government and talking heads, all wth something to sell.
Sure prayer and fasting may produce a more acceptable outcome, Who would know? Don't see nor hear much on that subject.
"
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

The Barbarian · Sunday at 8:38 PM

Mercy Shown said:
Congress and both political parties are guilty of never seriously addressing immigration reform.

Most states have many more illegal aliens than Minnesota. This is about Trump finding leverage to fix elections, as he's already been caught doing. It's not about immigration.

Mercy Shown said:
No one will drain the swamp because they all end up loving to swim in it.

Some worse than others. It's not normal to have a convicted criminal as president. In fact, this is the first one.

Sabertooth · Sunday at 11:02 PM

Mercy Shown said:
Was Jesus more of a leftest or a right winger?

The OP is framing this question backwards.
Jesus is the Ideal, the King of Kings; not any of our manmade political platforms.

At best, both parties exhibit some of His ideals, but given their Fallen origins, neither has a monopoly on the Truth. (The OP amounts to a false dichotomy.)

In Joshua 5:13-14, Joshua asked of an imposing Stranger,
“Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come...”

Mercy Shown · Monday at 9:32 AM

Sabertooth said:
The OP is framing this question backwards.
Jesus is the Ideal, the King of Kings; not any of our manmade political platforms.

At best, both parties exhibit some of His ideals, but given their Fallen origins, neither has a monopoly on the Truth.

In Joshua 5:13-14, Joshua asked of an imposing Stranger,
“Are You for us or for our adversaries?”

So He said, “No, but as Commander of the army of the Lord I have now come...”

Yes, and purposely done for it is man who makes these backwards claims. The purpose was to show that they are backwards.

Mercy Shown · Monday at 9:40 AM

The Barbarian said:
Most states have many more illegal aliens than Minnesota. This is about Trump finding leverage to fix elections, as he's already been caught doing. It's not about immigration.

Some worse than others. It's not normal to have a convicted criminal as president. In fact, this is the first one.

Throwing stones in glass house does no good. Each side makes the same claim. If you are a right winger then the left fixes the elections if you are a leftist, then it is the right doing the fixing. Trump haters, Biden haters, Kamala Haters, Bush haters, etc. They are all more alike than they are different, just different flavors of Kool-aid.

All Becomes New · Monday at 9:50 AM

"Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's."

God ordains governments and leaders. Still, this authority is only given to them from above. They do not own it themselves. They were placed in that position as a pawn, not willing it themselves. God is ultimately in control.

Pay your taxes, and give to the Body of Christ. What's left is to serve others with your time and energy in what capacity you can. The Christian life is a life of service, and I wish more Christians could see that.

I am also reminded at this time of the way Christ looked to heaven in thanksgiving when he received bread to eat. May our posture also be one of thankfulness, and let us remember that, however tyrannical a government gets, Christ is still doing His priestly intercession for His saints.

RDKirk · Monday at 9:54 AM

JacquelineDeane55 said:
Someone once told me that God is not into politics at all. That he has no Party or whatever.

God is a monarchist. Jesus is king.

Our particular problem is that we're trying to have dual citizenship instead of realizing we are the citizens of Heaven who are only temporarily residing in foreign nations as ambassadors of Heaven.

RDKirk · Monday at 10:00 AM

Mercy Shown said:
Congress and both political parties are guilty of never seriously addressing immigration reform. They like it as a political football too much meanwhile there are consequences for real people because of politicians desire to bash each other.

I've said that for years.

The last time president who seriously tried to stem illegal immigration was Eisenhower. He even went so far as to transfer immigration officials from the Mexican border to the Canadian border because too many of the agents on the southern border were facilitating illegal immigration.

The governors of the southern border states handed Eisenhower his head. They liked and needed illegal immigration.

And it has been that way ever since. Reagan, in fact, is very singularly the president most responsible for the greatest flood of illegal immigration.

If any administration had ever been serious, they would have been arresting corporate officials who hire them, the same way they arrest people who buy illegal drugs.

RDKirk · Monday at 10:04 AM

The Barbarian said:
Most states have many more illegal aliens than Minnesota. This is about Trump finding leverage to fix elections, as he's already been caught doing. It's not about immigration.

This has certainly become clear:

U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote a letter to Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz after the death of another American citizen at the hands of federal agents in Minneapolis, urging the Democratic leader to hand over sensitive state data to the Trump administration in an effort to prevent more "national tragedy."
....
The attorney general then makes three demands of Walz in her letter, which she writes can "bring an end to the chaos in Minnesota": 1) share state records of everyone who is collecting welfare, 2) repeal state sanctuary policies, and 3) allow the Justice Department to access Minnesota's voter rolls ahead of upcoming elections.

https://people.com/pam-bondi-full-letter-tim-walz-after-alex-pretti-shooting-11892085

The Trump administration is not even trying to hide their Mafia tactics anymore.

Sabertooth · Monday at 10:48 AM

RDKirk said:
God is a monarchist. Jesus is king.

He is a Thearchist...

Sabertooth · Monday at 10:53 AM

The Barbarian said:
This is about Trump finding leverage to fix elections, as he's already been caught doing. It's not about immigration.

If his solution is to remove illegal voters --through legal means-- why is that a problem?
Further, if they figure into the fraud that DOGE uncovered, why would that be a problem...?

RDKirk · Monday at 11:13 AM

Sabertooth said:
If his solution is to remove illegal voters --through legal means-- why is that a problem?
Further, if they figure into the fraud that DOGE uncovered, why would that be a problem...?

The problem is the process.

"Give us the information we want, and we'll stop beating you up."

2PhiloVoid · Monday at 11:24 AM

Mercy Shown said:
I’m increasingly convinced that the real issue beneath many of our political, moral, and cultural failures is not simply which system we choose, but whether its guiding mores are genuinely shared rather than imposed.

Any community without commonly held moral commitments will eventually fragment. At a global scale, a world that denies universal moral reference points has no principled way to resist violence or corruption—only temporary power arrangements. History suggests those arrangements do not hold.

This helps explain why the former USSR did not collapse merely because communism was economically flawed, but because Marxist ideals were imposed rather than embraced. Compliance replaced conviction. That moral dissonance was compounded by widespread corruption among the leadership, whose relative luxury stood in stark hypocrisy to the egalitarian ideals they espoused. Once legitimacy was lost, cohesion followed. Capitalism is not immune to the same fate; when it degenerates into crony capitalism and becomes rife with corruption, it too loses moral credibility.

All of this brings us to the God question, and more specifically to Jesus—arguably the most radically counterintuitive moral figure in human history. His teachings invert every instinct of power and survival: strength through weakness, love of enemies, living at peace when possible, going the second mile when coerced to go one. In this sense, Jesus stands even against nature itself, which operates by survival of the fittest. His ethic does not arise from biology, self-interest, or power; it directly contradicts them.

Crucially, Jesus does not impose this moral vision. He invites it. His kingdom advances only where hearts are transformed, never by coercion. That alone sets Him apart from every political ideology. And it may be precisely why His teachings remain both so disruptive—and so enduring.

We ALL should know that Jesus was neither a "left-winger" nor a "right winger." And I think we need to get over attempting to stuff Him into a particular, favored political envelope. It always surprises me when folks try to do so.

Sabertooth · Monday at 11:27 AM

RDKirk said:
The problem is the process.

"Give us the information we want, and we'll stop beating you up."

What information would that be?

All Becomes New · Monday at 11:30 AM

2PhiloVoid said:
We ALL should know that Jesus was neither a "left-winger" nor a "right winger." And I think we need to get over attempting to stuff Him into a particular, favored political envelope. It always surprises me when folks try to do so.

You said it, bro.

Sabertooth · Monday at 11:31 AM

Sabertooth said:
If his solution is to remove illegal voters --through legal means-- why is that a problem?
Further, if they figure into the fraud that DOGE uncovered, why would that be a problem...?

Thirdly, they throw off the American job market.

(I cannot complain about those who are here legally.)

The Barbarian · Monday at 11:41 AM

This is about Trump finding leverage to fix elections, as he's already been caught doing. It's not about immigration.

Sabertooth said:
If his solution is to remove illegal voters --through legal means-- why is that a problem?

It wouldn't be. But he and his underlings have been repeatedly caught trying to rig elections. The Georgia Secretary of State recorded a phone call in which Trump begged him to just "find" enough votes to let him win Georgia. His people have repeatedly been found guilty of similar voting scams. He's trying to find a way to rig the elections again.

Sabertooth said:
Further, if they figure into the fraud that DOGE uncovered

Tell us about the people identified by DOGE as committing fraud. Surely Trump had them arrested, right? What do you have?

RDKirk · Monday at 11:42 AM

Sabertooth said:
What information would that be?

I provided a link in post #31.

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