White House, DHS push back on claims ICE targeted 5-year-old in Minnesota, say child was 'abandoned'

ViaCrucis · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
So you're okay with Kyle Ritenhouse now?

God, make me an instrument of Your peace.
Where there is hatred, sow love.
Holy Spirit, teach me, guide me, and preserve me.

BPPLEE · Jan 25, 2026

loveofourlord said:
no inconsistency here, guns should be banned, but you can't have a two tier system while you allow guns, can't complain about someone you hate having a gun, while fine with assault rifles walked around in open by the 'right' people.

The guy has a right to carry a gun but it's not the smartest thing to do under the circumstances

loveofourlord · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
The guy has a right to carry a gun but it's not the smartest thing to do under the circumstances

Yeah...now if only there were examples I just gave of that which you ignored, and your side defended in the past...what a conundrum.

Tropical Wilds · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
The guy has a right to carry a gun but it's not the smartest thing to do under the circumstances

Why? He’s in the midst of dangerous protesters… Or so I’m told. So you saying it’s actually safe there and there’s no need for 2A protection?

BPPLEE · Jan 25, 2026

Tropical Wilds said:
Why? He’s in the midst of dangerous protesters… Or so I’m told. So you saying it’s actually safe there and there’s no need for 2A protection?

So he needed protection from the protesters?

Tropical Wilds · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
So he needed protection from the protesters?

If it’s as dangerous as people claim it is, those who support the 2A should have no problems understanding why he was armed (if he was). He had a legal permit, he was allowed to carry, the claim is always self defense and/or stand against the tyrannical government. If it’s as dangerous there with the protestors, that goes to the former, and if you see the tyranny of the secret police practices of ICE, it goes to the latter.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 25, 2026

Tropical Wilds said:
Yes, having worked in law enforcement, I know what actual resisting looks like. I know the standards they’re supposed to abide by. I know the training they (should) have to do their job and I see just how far short these ICE people are. I see just how many laws they’re breaking, how many rights they’re infringing, and I’m seeing the casual and cavalier attitude people have to the death of people exercising their constitutional rights. I know when the rhetoric of “if we are being led a tyrannical government, we have rights we need in order to defend ourselves” and the actual people genuinely willing to be the ones who stand in the way of the tyrannical government. I’m not surprised at who’s being quiet and who’s complicit, I’m just surprised at how quickly they fell in line.

Well, again I say that if these ICE officers are an unadequately trained and unhinged as you believe, i highly recommend you follow the advice of Michael Peretti's father. DO NOT ENGAGE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Think about it. Even his own father believes his own son earned a Darwin award. Please do not deliberately insert yourself into an equation that you believe is dangerous. Let them do their job and no not harass them.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 25, 2026

Tropical Wilds said:
If it’s as dangerous as people claim it is, those who support the 2A should have no problems understanding why he was armed (if he was). He had a legal permit, he was allowed to carry, the claim is always self defense and/or stand against the tyrannical government. If it’s as dangerous there with the protestors, that goes to the former, and if you see the tyranny of the secret police practices of ICE, it goes to the latter.

He went out of his way to harass police officer and the moment he discovered that actual real world consequences were coming his way, he pulled out a gun. This is a pure example of the meme where a kid is riding the bicycle and shove a stick is the wheel only to blame someone else because he crashed. Or the one where a kid hits a bee hive with a stick only to play the victim to CNN after being stung.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 25, 2026

ViaCrucis said:
Freudian slip?

But trust us, we believe you.

I do NOT want to see anymore deaths. I apologize for the grammatical error.

Hans Blaster · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
So you're okay with Kyle Rittenhouse now?

As I can best recall, Rittenhouse did not actually legally possess the weapon he was carrying. Setting aside whether someone who did legally possess a rifle could openly carry it on the streets of Kenosha during a civil unrest:

Rittenhouse was a minor (17).
Rittenhouse was a resident of Illinois who worked a part-time job in Wisconsin.
The rifle was a straw purchase by a friend of Rittenhouse and kept in Wisconsin.'

When these facts are strung together, Rittenhouse did not legally possess that weapon when he took it out in Kenosha that evening. There was an alternative path to possession that was claimed where Rittenhouse legally owned the gun in Illinois, but I think the first one was correct. Even on that alternative version, he would have not been able to legally transport that gun across the state line.

What Rittenhouse did in Kenosha posessing the rifle and patrolling prior to the shooting may not have been legal either, but I don't recall. (We all know he was acquitted for the charged shooting, I don't care to rehash it. I don't recall if there were any "gun charges" included in his indictment or not. They may have been omitted to keep things "clean" for the jury.)

In contrast Alex Pretti was, to the best of the reporting available, legally authorized to possess the gun on his person when the incident took place.

BPPLEE · Jan 25, 2026

Hans Blaster said:
As I can best recall, Rittenhouse did not actually legally possess the weapon he was carrying. Setting aside whether someone who did legally possess a rifle could openly carry it on the streets of Kenosha during a civil unrest:

Rittenhouse was a minor (17).
Rittenhouse was a resident of Illinois who worked a part-time job in Wisconsin.
The rifle was a straw purchase by a friend of Rittenhouse and kept in Wisconsin.'

When these facts are strung together, Rittenhouse did not legally possess that weapon when he took it out in Kenosha that evening. There was an alternative path to possession that was claimed where Rittenhouse legally owned the gun in Illinois, but I think the first one was correct. Even on that alternative version, he would have not been able to legally transport that gun across the state line.

What Rittenhouse did in Kenosha posessing the rifle and patrolling prior to the shooting may not have been legal either, but I don't recall. (We all know he was acquitted for the charged shooting, I don't care to rehash it. I don't recall if there were any "gun charges" included in his indictment or not. They may have been omitted to keep things "clean" for the jury.)

In contrast Alex Pretti was, to the best of the reporting available, legally authorized to possess the gun on his person when the incident took place.

My point was that people who are usually in favor of restricting gun rights are now defending those rights in the situation in Minnesota. The man had a right to carry a gun but it was not the smartest thing to do to bring it to a protest and then inject himself into a law enforcement matter. I’m not saying the shooting was justified but clearly the victim didn’t use the best judgment. Likewise Rittenhouse would have been better off if he had stayed home

Hans Blaster · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
My point was that people who are usually in favor of restricting gun rights are now defending those rights in the situation in Minnesota.

And mine was the counter, that there are all over the 'net people attacking Pretti for being armed (implying his shooting was justified *because* he was carrying a holstered weapon) would normally defend any sort of carry as a "right" and are now using to justify his death.

BPPLEE said:
The man had a right to carry a gun but it was not the smartest thing to do to bring it to a protest and then inject himself into a law enforcement matter. I’m not saying the shooting was justified but clearly the victim didn’t use the best judgment. Likewise Rittenhouse would have been better off if he had stayed home

Apart from what I would like the laws to be:

Pretti was legally armed and made no know threat regarding the weapon that day, no matter how foolish it was to bring a gun into a space where poorly trained and armed persons were operating.

Rittenhouse was not legally armed and was in no way trained to enter a chaotic environment as a "safety patrol" as he fantasized he was doing.

BPPLEE · Jan 25, 2026

Hans Blaster said:
And mine was the counter, that there are all over the 'net people attacking Pretti for being armed (implying his shooting was justified *because* he was carrying a holstered weapon) would normally defend any sort of carry as a "right" and are now using to justify his death.

Apart from what I would like the laws to be:

Pretti was legally armed and made no know threat regarding the weapon that day, no matter how foolish it was to bring a gun into a space where poorly trained and armed persons were operating.

Rittenhouse was not legally armed and was in no way trained to enter a chaotic environment as a "safety patrol" as he fantasized he was doing.

Petti inserted himself in a law enforcement matter. Whether the shooting was justified or not it was poor judgment to interfere in the situation especially while openly carrying a firearm. He should have just kept filming

RocksInMyHead · Jan 25, 2026

BPPLEE said:
Petti inserted himself in a law enforcement matter. Whether the shooting was justified or not it was poor judgment to interfere in the situation especially while openly carrying a firearm. He should have just kept filming

A border patrol agent shoving a woman around and screaming "Get out of my face!" isn't really a "law enforcement matter" aside from the fact that it involves a member of law enforcement. That's a federal agent failing to control his anger and lashing out at the nearest target. People have talked about accounting for the fact that, in the moment, you only have a split second to make a decision - I think it's telling that Alex Pretti's decision was to rush to help the woman he saw thrown to the ground next to him. And for that, he was killed.

Tropical Wilds · Jan 25, 2026

Oompa Loompa said:
Well, again I say that if these ICE officers are an unadequately trained and unhinged as you believe, i highly recommend you follow the advice of Michael Peretti's father. DO NOT ENGAGE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. Think about it. Even his own father believes his own son earned a Darwin award. Please do not deliberately insert yourself into an equation that you believe is dangerous. Let them do their job and no not harass them.

“If you’re upset they’re being dangerous and fascist, don’t fight them. Just accept it. Just let them do what they want because you know they’re unstable and could hurt you.”

Hard, and I mean HARD pass. My family didn’t do it in the 30s in Germany, I’m not doing it now.

Tropical Wilds · Jan 25, 2026

Oompa Loompa said:
He went out of his way to harass police officer and the moment he discovered that actual real world consequences were coming his way, he pulled out a gun.

Show us on the video. Screen-cap and circle it.

Oompa Loompa said:
This is a pure example of the meme where a kid is riding the bicycle and shove a stick is the wheel only to blame someone else because he crashed. Or the one where a kid hits a bee hive with a stick only to play the victim to CNN after being stung.

So you believe people carrying guns legally should be shot by law enforcement? I see somebody open carrying in Walmart and I can shoot them 10-14 times? I thought the “we can’t take guns out of people’s hands even though kids are being shot in half in schools because of 2A and it’s unfair to assume somebody with a gun is a threat” and “if more people carried guns, there will be less crime” said this situation is exactly when people should carry guns.

Changing your tune?

ViaCrucis · Jan 25, 2026

Oompa Loompa said:
I do NOT want to see anymore deaths. I apologize for the grammatical error.

And I don't believe that.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 25, 2026

ViaCrucis said:
And the pro-2A crowd suddenly has a problem when citizens exercise their 2A rights.

No pro-2A person on this thread has even implied that they have a problem with citizens exercising their 2A rights.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 25, 2026

Tropical Wilds said:
Show us on the video. Screen-cap and circle it

Or you can Google it.

Tropical Wilds said:
So you believe people carrying guns legally should be shot by law enforcement?

Yes if they draw the gun and aim it at a law enforcement officer as a result of their stupid decisions.

Oompa Loompa · Jan 25, 2026

ViaCrucis said:
And I don't believe that.

Well, that is your problem. Not mine.

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