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US appeals court lifts order curbing immigration agents' tactics against Minnesota protesters
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The protestors aren't the ones losing here - they're accomplishing their goals, and every one that DHS kills just reinforces the fact that they're on the side of the angels.
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I don't think that's the intent - they're not doing anything that any other protestors haven't done in the past decade or more. Yelling, screaming, blowing whistles, getting in the way - those aren't new and novel tactics.
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I'm not on twitter for the record...
What I described is what's happening... it's not a "strange view of reality", it's reality.
Progressive blue cities and their residents (who were not in the majority opinion on this overarching issue) lost, and they've crafted an approach to try to emotionally manipulate everyone else into backing down so they can still have their way despite losing.
They've deliberately constructed an approach that all but guarantees terrible outcomes if any entity enforces the law they didn't get their way on (and were in the minority opinion for), thereby making their position easier to defend.
Sort of a political equivalent of a Motte-and-Bailey fallacy.
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You could have fooled me. Your leftist caricature that you love to attack is basically just a collection of crazy tweets.
Didn't know you were psychic.
I suppose you've be familiar with the concept.
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It doesn't take a psychic to know that if there's a law I don't like, and me a bunch of people take to the streets and start getting confrontational with cops when they're trying to enforce it, that it's just a matter of time before things go south, and that people will use those bad outcomes as a stated rationale of "see, this is what happens when you try to enforce those types of laws"
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They arw doing exactly what the devil would do. Create as much choas and havoc as they can and hope their "enemies" do something they can use against them. And they don't care who they have to sacrifice to do so. Telling and training their foot soldiers to engage in activities fulling intending to create confrontation, interference and obstructionism. They will sacrifice anyone for their wicked purpose. Oh yeah, its rhe devils work all right.
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I dunno, somehow that managed to not happen during the COVID lockdown protests. And there were a LOT more people with guns at those.
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There's key differences to note:
1) Likely because many of the LEOs tasked with enforcing those provisions were on the same side ideologically with the lockdown protestors (and the protestors likely knew that)
2) They were much smaller in size
3) The protestors weren't expressing their ire towards the enforcement entity itself
You can't really compare modest sized protests (where there's ideological alignment between the cops and protestors) vs. protests where the protestors are actively getting confrontational and trying to impede and obstruct a law enforcement operation.
It's just not the same thing...
And it's worth noting, when people were actively obstructing or refusing to comply with the public health orders and being deliberately difficult, they weren't shy about using force in those situations either.
Woman tased, arrested after not wearing mask at Ohio football game
The woman reportedly said she had asthma and would not put on a mask, but refused to leave when instructed by authorities.
....and much like progressive people are putting convenient spin on the current situations, I remember conservatives putting the same kind of spin on the situations like the one the article during covid. "It's an authoritarian police state!!, they're going to tase a woman for not wearing a mask???" (ignoring the fact that she was going out of her way to be difficult, and not complying despite being given several chances)
It's the exact same Motte-Bailey fallacy we're seeing now.
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Oh, I see. If the cops are cool with the protests, then no one gets shot. Got it.
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More accurately described...
If the protestors don't see the LEOs as the "enemy" and aren't trying to obstruct any specific operation, heated confrontations and escalations are far less likely.
Operations are different than local PD doing generic "crowd control"
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So much for the right to protest ill behavior by cops of any stripe because they are allowed to get mad and kill you.
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They can protest all they want... but things actively approaching them, threatening them, attempting to block them, throwing things at them, and getting in shoving matches has little to do with peaceful protesting.
Has anyone been shot yet for doing nothing more than standing on the side walk (out of their way) holding a sign?
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Well...
There was that guy on Saturday who filming ICE/BCP operations and went to help a woman knocked down by ICE/BCP and for his assistance he got pepper sprayed, tackled, and shot.
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"We don't want ICE to target anyone but those who committed violent felonies, don't use tear gas, pepper spray, tasers or put their hands on anyone and we want protesters to be able to throw rocks and fireworks, blow whistles and shout on bullhorns right in agent's ears, block traffic and resist arrest without consequences , and we don't see why ICE can't operate as they did under Biden and Obama under those conditions "
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Theae nut job radical protestors are so out of control they are following around regular citizens and harassing them, yelling at them, thinking their horns at them etc. Its crazy.
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Use all the adjectives you like.
I see citizens exercising their rights as citizens and protesting the federal police state that Donald Trump has implemented in Minneapolis.
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