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Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

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I'm not saying the shooting was justified but I have to laugh at the people who say the video "clearly" shows this or that.
There is nothing "clear " about the videos
Fair.
 
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Who suggested that?
The last image we have is one of the federal agents with the weapon in his hand. What happened after that is anyone's guess. DHS publishes a photo of a gun on a car seat. Is that the weapon? Whose vehicle is that?

As a former LEO, I expect you would understand the need to secure the scene and to gather evidence professionally.
Gather evidence? Lol! Many if these ICE members have had only a few months training and are concerned with capturing people, not preserving evidence.
 
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Read Bondi’s Letter to Minnesota’s Governor

It's all about the elections:

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Can you at least say that Bovino is presenting a somewhat peculiar description? If the goal was to fire at ICE officers nothing would've stopped Pretti from doing so if he had chosen his opportunity.

I find it more than a little disturbing when top officials (which have considerable power to influence the investigation), undermine the possibility of an unbiased investigations by making early pronouncements.
Silly goose! It’s not their fault that they say and do the things that they do; they are just following orders.
 
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That's great looking forward to Bovino etc providing the evidence they must have had that he planned a massacre with a gun(though instead charged instead to be grappled, weird that).

Otherwise they blatantly lied in order to justify murder.
It’s even more unbelievable when we know Americans are very effective at killing their country folk with guns when they actually decide to.
 
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Investigation? LOL

The Feds are blocking investigative agencies.

Why?


"We were denied after we provided information we had a warrant," Evans confirmed.
The BCA Force Investigations Unit has been requested by Minneapolis police to investigate this morning’s federal agent-involved shooting in Minneapolis.

Our agents and crime scene personnel attempted to access the location but were blocked by @DHSgov personnel at the scene.​

 
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One thing that is clear, it is not wise to resist arrest especially while armed. Had he not chose to fight with law enforcement he would be alive today.
Exactly! It's crystal clear that resisting arrest/fighting with law enforcement is never a good idea. What happened to common sense in America?
 
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Exactly! It's crystal clear that resisting arrest/fighting with law enforcement is never a good idea. What happened to common sense in America?

Video taping law enforcement is protected under the 1st Ammendment.
Carrying a weapon is protected under the 2nd Ammendment.

And as far as resisting arrest: He was never given an opportunity to surrendor. He was sprayed in the eyes and taken down immediately.
 
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Kash Patel on FOX: "You cannot bring a firearm, loaded, with multiple magazines to any sort of protest that you want. It's that simple. You don't have a right to break the law."

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Video taping law enforcement is protected under the 1st Ammendment.
Carrying a weapon is protected under the 2nd Ammendment.

And as far as resisting arrest: He was never given an opportunity to surrendor. He was sprayed and the eyes and taken down immediately.
I believe in 1st and 2nd amendment rights but I also believe in exercising responsibility and common sense. How do you know without a shadow of a doubt that the victim was never given the opportunity to surrender? Those videos are not crystal clear.
 
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Because Second Amendment
Because not exercising responsibility and common sense in a hostile environment.
He didn't.
So, the victim was just minding his own business, did absolutely nothing wrong and ICE murdered him in cold blood for no reason at all. If you can believe that then you can believe anything.
 
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YES he did, the video along with a second one from the same side of the street show him fighting with the officers. He fires a shot that cause the officers to jump back and they RETURNED fire killing him.
@camille70 What do you find humorous about my post - or are you just trying to mock me?
 
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No, he did not . There is no video showing he had a gun in his hand, just a phone, and in one of the videos, you can see an agent taking away what looks to be a gun, then he was murdered with about 9 shots. .
Yes he did - watch the video - he is fighting with multiple Federal Officers - in the melee there is a single shot heard that causes ALL the officers to step back - then he is fired upon.
ICE and DHS must be worried as they are blocking Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension from investigating the shooting. That is their top agency for investigating crime. This is unheard of.
Uh.... FEDERAL Officers involved in a shooting - requires FEDERAL investigation - if it was local PD, then they would have jurisdiction to do so.
 
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Speculation. Why would someone approach federal law enforcement with a gun in the first place (especially in a hostile environment) then resist arrest and fight against these agents?
When did he approach any agents? I see a man with his phone out recording and agents approach him. You can see him back away with both hands visible but the agent stays in his face. When he tries to assist a woman an agent has shoved to the ground he is pepper sprayed in the face over and over again before multiple agents tackle him to the ground. On the ground I don’t see resistance as much as defense against agents beating him, one with the pepper sprayed can beating him in the head. All of the aggression and violence is initiated by ICE agents.
 
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Yes he did - watch the video - he is fighting with multiple Federal Officers - in the melee there is a single shot heard that causes ALL the officers to step back - then he is fired upon.

Uh.... FEDERAL Officers involved in a shooting - requires FEDERAL investigation - if it was local PD, then they would have jurisdiction to do so.
Yes, please watch the video again and pay attention to the ICE agent who retrieves the gun from the victim prior to the first shot. The victim did not discharge his own weapon and it is pretty clear that it was still holstered when the ICE agent reaches over him and removes it.
 
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