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Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

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I'm not saying the shooting was justified but I have to laugh at the people who say the video "clearly" shows this or that.
There is nothing "clear " about the videos
Common sense post!
 
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People see what they want to see
From the videos I have seen (
) it is really hard to say that the gun was ever brandished.


Did the suspect even go for it at all?

Does this really look like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement, as said by Bovino?
 
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From the videos I have seen (
) it is really hard to say that the gun was ever brandished.


Did the suspect even go for it at all?

Does this really look like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement, as said by Bovino?


Exactly. It is truly objectionable the out and out lies being spouted by Bovino and his ilk. He was clearly not an ‘assassin’ as Miller has claimed, not was he looking to massacre anyone.
 
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People see what they want to see
There is a slow motion video on x. I watched it multiple times. Here is what I think is clear and what is not clear, 1. The protester without question was violently resisting arrest. 2. During the struggle a magazine can be seen come to out on the street. 3. The officer who fired seem to jump back and fire his weapon. 4. What he saw that caused him to step back and fire cannot be seen in the video. 5. Only the officers struggling to subdue the protester were in position to see everything.
 
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He was clearly not an ‘assassin’ as Miller has claimed, not was he looking to massacre anyone.
Possibly he was not an assassin but you have no idea what his motive was. That is pure speculation on your part. One thing that is clear, it is not wise to resist arrest especially while armed. Had he not chose to fight with law enforcement he would be alive today.
 
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From the videos I have seen (
) it is really hard to say that the gun was ever brandished.


Did the suspect even go for it at all?

Does this really look like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement, as said by Bovino?
It's really hard to say anything except that someone got shot and it never should have happened.
 
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Possibly he was not an assassin but you have no idea what his motive was. That is pure speculation on your part. One thing that is clear, it is not wise to resist arrest especially while armed. Had he not chose to fight with law enforcement he would be alive today.
He was clearly not an assassin. If you have a gun do you fire from distance or rush in and be grappled. The authorities lied blatantly, why are you defending lying??
 
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It's really hard to say anything except that someone got shot and it never should have happened.
Can you at least say that Bovino is presenting a somewhat peculiar description? If the goal was to fire at ICE officers nothing would've stopped Pretti from doing so if he had chosen his opportunity.

I find it more than a little disturbing when top officials (which have considerable power to influence the investigation), undermine the possibility of an unbiased investigations by making early pronouncements.
 
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I'm not saying the shooting was justified but I have to laugh at the people who say the video "clearly" shows this or that.
There is nothing "clear " about the videos
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As many as eight agents were attempting to detain Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old ICU nurse, videos show. One emerged from the scrum holding Pretti’s gun, and less than a second later, the first of what appear to be 10 shots was fired. It is not clear from the video whether the other agents realized Pretti — who local authorities believe had a permit to carry the weapon — had been disarmed.

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He was clearly not an assassin. If you have a gun do you fire from distance or rush in and be grappled. The authorities lied blatantly, why are you defending lying??
You are doing the same thing you accuse authorities of. You have no idea why he came to a protest heavily armed. I don’t claim to know what his intentions were.
 
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I find it more than a little disturbing when top officials (which have considerable power to influence the investigation), undermine the possibility of an unbiased investigations by making early pronouncements.
And who is going to do the “unbiased “ investigation? The governor and mayor have no ability to be unbiased here.
 
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You are doing the same thing you accuse authorities of. You have no idea why he came to a protest heavily armed. I don’t claim to know what his intentions were.

Fair enough. But our Federal Government would have us believe they did know his intentions.

Bovino on Saturday:

“This looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement,” he said.
Noem repeated the claim later Saturday.


Unless DHS releases evidence to back up their claims, they are simply lying.

 
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You are doing the same thing you accuse authorities of. You have no idea why he came to a protest heavily armed. I don’t claim to know what his intentions were.
That's great looking forward to Bovino etc providing the evidence they must have had that he planned a massacre with a gun(though instead charged instead to be grappled, weird that).

Otherwise they blatantly lied in order to justify murder.
 
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You are doing the same thing you accuse authorities of. You have no idea why he came to a protest heavily armed. I don’t claim to know what his intentions were.
"Heavily armed"? He had a pistol and a spare magazine. If that's heavily armed, half the people I see at the grocery store are walking around "heavily armed" on a daily basis.
 
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Can you at least say that Bovino is presenting a somewhat peculiar description? If the goal was to fire at ICE officers nothing would've stopped Pretti from doing so if he had chosen his opportunity.

I find it more than a little disturbing when top officials (which have considerable power to influence the investigation), undermine the possibility of an unbiased investigations by making early pronouncements.
Yes, Noem and Bovino are making conclusions before an investigation. They could have been supportive of the agents while saying that the shooting was under investigation.
That would sit better with most people instead of jumping to conclusions
 
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And who is going to do the “unbiased “ investigation? The governor and mayor have no ability to be unbiased here.
Well, the best case scenario would be some kind of internal affairs at CBP but since Bovino seems to have ruled out that. Perhaps FBI, state or local PD?
 
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.....shown at 1/5 speed

As many as eight agents were attempting to detain Alex Pretti, a 37-year-old ICU nurse, videos show. One emerged from the scrum holding Pretti’s gun, and less than a second later, the first of what appear to be 10 shots was fired. It is not clear from the video whether the other agents realized Pretti — who local authorities believe had a permit to carry the weapon — had been disarmed.

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Yes, Noem and Bovino are making conclusions before an investigation. They could have been supportive of the agents while saying that the shooting was under investigation.
That would sit better with most people instead of jumping to conclusions
Exactly, traditionally the authorities would be all thoughts and prayers, don't jump to conclusions, wait for the investigation. Instead they are making, without evidence, baseless incendiary accusations that so far don't match the evidence.
 
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