Man shot by federal agents in Minneapolis has died, police chief tells CNN. DHS says suspect was armed

Aldebaran said:

First we can talk about the woman that we're told the federal agents shoved. If you look at the video, you'll see that she got right in the officer's face, which would explain why she ended up getting shoved. The guy was right there as well. Why? And do you think agents just tackle someone for no reason? Do you think a large number of them focused on that one guy for no reason? Then they shot him, and it was just a coincidence he was armed with a gun?

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None of this rambling addresses the point that I made. Someone possessing a gun is not a reason for federal agents to attack and kill them, unless it was drawn and/or threats were made with it. He had a permit to carry the gun. None of the videos show anything which indicates that his behavior was threatening.

Your previous post stating that "perhaps being a nurse and healing people wasn't enough for him, so he picked up a high capacity assault pistol and picked a fight with federal law enforcement officers doing their job" is about one of the most disrespectful comments I can imagine from a staff member on a Christian forum who is speaking about someone who was violently killed. All the video evidence thus far shows the agents being the aggressors, so you fabricate a false narrative that he went looking for trouble when there is absolutely nothing so far which shows that.

Statement from the family of Alex Pretti, Michael and Susan Pretti:
“We are heartbroken but also very angry.

Alex was a kindhearted soul who cared deeply for his family and friends and also the American veterans whom he cared for as an ICU nurse at the Minneapolis VA hospital. Alex wanted to make a difference in this world. Unfortunately he will not be with us to see his impact. I do not throw around the hero term lightly. However his last thought and act was to protect a woman.

The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting. Alex is clearly not holding a gun when attacked by Trump’s murdering and cowardly ICE thugs. He has his phone in his right hand and his empty left hand is raised above his head while trying to protect the woman ICE just pushed down all while being pepper sprayed.

Please get the truth out about our son. He was a good man. Thank you.”

Aldebaran said:

A "law-abiding" citizen who was interfering with lawful government operations...

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He was filming them. Then went to help a woman who had been pushed to the ground.

Aldebaran said:

-while armed with a gun that was clearly not for concealed carry, but was one of those "assault pistols" with a high capacity magazine and was semi-auto. What law abiding citizen needs one of those...

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You should start a thread about banning them.

Aldebaran said:

Maybe that's what you see, but many of us also see the same with the other side. They held up federal Police officers up to be such great heros when had a president in the White House that was their choice. But now that they don't like the president, they throw the same federal officers under the bus, and seemed to think that attacking them in the street while they do their job is perfectly OK, and try to play the victim as being the "peaceful protesters". The videos of them attacking police (and even people attending church) shows what they're really like. Hardly different than the "mostly peaceful protesters" of the BLM riots (25 dead from that) which just so happened to get started in the exact same city as what we're seeing today. Hardly a coincidence.

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Being shot dead is not "playing" the victim.

It's still too early to know all the facts, but it definitely appears that the officer was in the wrong in this instance, and a full investigation should be conducted to establish that.

Regardless of fault, it's worth noting that this could have been avoided, and he shouldn't have resisted arrest if that's what actually happened. Regardless of right or wrong, resisting arrest is never going to end well and only increases the risk of harm to yourself or others.

Family said he owned a firearm but hadn't been known to carry it, so the fact he was and from witness accounts was directing traffic as part of the interference of ICE agents, it could be that he went there expecting to get into or cause trouble.

Either way it's very sad. A life is lost. He worked at the VA and I'm sure he helped a lot of people in his life of work.

Politicians on both sides need to tone down the rhetoric. Branding ICE as Nazis and the like doesn't help things and has clearly emboldened bad actors, and the current administration jumping straight to claims of domestic terrorism before all the facts are established is not helping either.

Final thoughts are that there are rumours linking state employees/officials have had an active part in a Signal group tasked with the surveillance and disruption of ICE there, which again is not helping and pretty huge if that is the case, and will likely result in a heavy-handed response.

Always in His Presence said:

YES he did, the video along with a second one from the same side of the street show him fighting with the officers. He fires a shot that cause the officers to jump back and they RETURNED fire killing him.

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This video shows the moment when the ICE agent shot him starting at 4:30. You can clearly see the ICE agent draw his weapon, and you hear the first shot. There are no other shots before that, since none can be heard in the video. The man who got shot (Alex Pretti) had also been disarmed by one of the agents just moments before the first shot was fired. The ICE agent clearly fired the first shot.

High Fidelity said:

It's still too early to know all the facts, but it definitely appears that the officer was in the wrong in this instance, and a full investigation should be conducted to establish that.

Regardless of fault, it's worth noting that this could have been avoided, and he shouldn't have resisted arrest if that's what actually happened. Regardless of right or wrong, resisting arrest is never going to end well and only increases the risk of harm to yourself or others.

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It also could have been avoided if ICE agents wouldn't have kept coming at them, pepper spraying them, and then just randomly decide to tackle this one individual and start hitting him in the face.

These guys are poorly trained and sloppy in just about everything they do.

MarkSB said:

It also could have been avoided if ICE agents wouldn't have kept coming at them, pepper spraying them, and then just randomly decide to tackle this one individual and start hitting him in the face.

These guys are poorly trained and sloppy in just about everything they do.

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We don't know that it's random yet.

One report I read said he was directing traffic, which if that's the case then he was actively involved in disrupting law enforcement.

Time will hopefully tell, but between glossing over details from the left and ignoring or justifying it on the right, we may never know the full facts.

High Fidelity said:

We don't know that it's random yet.

One report I read said he was directing traffic, which if that's the case then he was actively involved in disrupting law enforcement.

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Sure, we don't know the full story, but there is a hell of a lot of the incident on video. His "directing traffic" was just him stepping back and waving cars by, because he had been standing in the middle of the road filming. Watch the video** that I posted above, and you can see those moments. The vehicles that he waved by did not appear to be ICE vehicles.

The default response from people who are defending ICE in this case and in the Good case are that the people who were killed were "obstructing law enforcement". In the Good case, she waved other vehicles by right before the truck with the ICE agents pulled up. She was not blocking the entire road (just one lane), and the ICE agents could have went around her just like the vehicle before them did. Yet the claim keeps being made that she was blocking the street - even when you can clearly see in the video that she wasn't.

In this case - if we assume that the video captured the entire incident, Pretti is standing on the other side of the street from where the ICE agents are. He walks out into the street to get closer to them while filming, but still appears to keep a good distance from them the entire time - and there are 2 other people filming who are closer to the ICE agents than him. The ICE agents appear to start pushing those other 2 people back, and then they start coming at him. At no point does he appear to be close enough to be obstructing them, and (in his actions, at least) he is doing nothing other than filming.

The obstructing claim appears to be a blanket reason now for giving ICE license to do whatever they wish, with whomever they wish. That is not law and order... it is lawlessness and a violation of civil rights.


**For the record, I don't agree with everything the commentator says in this video - but he provides a variety of bystander videos taken from several different angles. My main objection with his analysis is in calling this an "execution". My guess is that when the one agent comes over and removes the weapon from Pretti's holster, he says something about a gun. The agent who shoots first is the one standing right next to him, and misunderstands somehow, thinking the Pretti is holding a gun. If that IS what happened, I still don't think it means that they are not culpable for his death. If it ISN’T what happened… then this is one of the worst law enforcement killings I’ve seen in my lifetime.

High Fidelity said:

Regardless of fault, it's worth noting that this could have been avoided, and he shouldn't have resisted arrest if that's what actually happened. Regardless of right or wrong, resisting arrest is never going to end well and only increases the risk of harm to yourself or others.

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He was sprayed, pushed over and at least 4 guys started piling in on him. At no time were any officers in danger. If you have been told that you've been arrested, told to turn around and put your arms behind you then it's game over. Do exactly as you are told or it will end badly.

But...if you are being held down and punched and beaten by 4 guys then you are going to do your very best to protect yourself. Ain't no way you are just going to lie there and let them hit you. But anything that you do short of just lying there will absolutely be considered 'resisting arrest'. Which, in this case, is an absolute joke.

At this point, it is patently obvious that whatever training that these guys had had simply failed. Is it really a great idea to start pushing around a guy who is carrying? It it a great idea to start fighting with him? If you think he's going to be a problem then find out if he's armed.

It looks as though he is shot repeatedly when lying prone on the ground and possibly already dead after being shot several times.

High Fidelity said:

One report I read said he was directing traffic, which if that's the case then he was actively involved in disrupting law enforcement.

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And?

iluvatar5150 said:

Last I checked, protesting and videotaping government agents was perfectly legal. It was the agent who first shoved a woman. The victim got between the agent and the woman, then agents sprayed and dogpiled him. One of them disarmed him and a moment later, another opened fire.

This is a still frame of the moment of the first shot. The guy with the grey hat and the reddish brim is already holding the victim’s gun and walking away with it. You can’t see the gun in this frame, but you can see it as he gets closer to the camera.

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I can't tell anything from the picture or the videos. I don't know how you are reaching these conclusions. Looks unclear to me

RocksInMyHead said:

Would you ask the same question of the ICE and Border Patrol agents?

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No I would not! Law enforcement carry weapons at all times and all situations.

RocksInMyHead said:

They're also showing up at emotionally-charged protests with fully-loaded 9mms and extra magazines (and AR-15s with extra magazines too).

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False! They are showing up to do their sworn duties. It is the emotionally charged protests that are designed to impede them.

RocksInMyHead said:

Notably, they're the only ones who have actually shot anyone.

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So far! But they are the ones attacked with shovels, sticks, rocks , fireworks, vehicles and more recently a cannibalistic set of teeth.

Larniavc said:

You trust the government

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In the state of Minnesota? Absolutely not.

Aldebaran said:

A "law-abiding" citizen who was interfering with lawful government operations--while armed with a gun that was clearly not for concealed carry, but was one of those "assault pistols" with a high capacity magazine and was semi-auto. What law abiding citizen needs one of those, and what correct-minded citizen would fight with police while armed with one? If he had just minded his own business, he would still be alive right now. But he decided to do what the rest of the rioters were doing and went looking for trouble, which he found. Perhaps being a nurse and healing people wasn't enough for him, so he picked up a high capacity assault pistol and picked a fight with federal law enforcement officers doing their job.
At least he'll have his name and picture on rioters' signs until someone else does something else just as stupid. Then he'll be forgotten just like the 5 year old kid the rioters tried to use.

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Why con these LEO's keep their calm


While ICE can't?

High Fidelity said:

It's still too early to know all the facts, but it definitely appears that the officer was in the wrong in this instance, and a full investigation should be conducted to establish that.

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I agree, the FBI should carry out a full and objective investigation. It will not happen. The Federal Government has made that clear by their own actions and words immediately after the killing. The government is refusing to share information with the state from the killing of Renee Good. And they are doing the same here. According to the local police commander, DHS requested his officers leave the scene. He refused.

Think about that. Our federal governments is actively obstructing murder investigations by it's agents.

Larniavc said:

You trust the government? When the vis clearly contradict it? Why? What on Earth is in it for you?

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I'm not saying the shooting was justified but I have to laugh at the people who say the video "clearly" shows this or that.
There is nothing "clear " about the videos