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Slaves to sin or slaves to Christ

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Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Adam was created to serve God. The moment Adam sinned, he became a slave to sin, and with him the whole humanity. Therefore sinners can do nothing but sin, because they are enslaved to sin.

When Paul wrote this letter to Christians in Rome 2000 years ago, a slave was seen as a property to their owner. Hence why Paul says sinners are enslaved to sin, because sin is their owner. Be therefore not surprised when sinners sin, as they cannot do otherwise. Sinners think they have a free choice, but they don't, they must serve their master, sin. For example, people who say they can chose what gender they are, they can chose what their identity is, are sinning. I'm not saying sinners cannot do good deeds, because they can, but when they do, they are not doing it out of love for God, without faith even a good deed is sinful.

Sinners need a new owner. Only Jesus Christ can free them from slavery of sin. Only God can replace their stony hearts with a heart of flesh that is capable of obeying God and reject sin. That's why we need to preach the Gospel of Christ to sinners and pray for God to have mercy on them. It's not about intelligent debates (not like there's anything wrong with them). No matter what facts you present to a sinner, he will not believe, because he is enslaved to sin. A sinner needs Christ to free him. Therefore, we must point people to the cross of Christ.

Romans 6 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

If you are a Christian, your owner is Christ, therefore obey Christ and not sin. As with slavery 2000 years ago, a new owner must purchase a slave from the old one. A transaction must be paid. If you are a Christian, Christ purchased you from slavery of sin on the cross. Do not therefore obey sin any longer, but obey Christ. It is our duty to serve Christ, because He owns you.

A man cannot have to owners, either you serve sin or you serve Christ. If someone calls themselves Christian, but serves sin, they are not truly a Christian, otherwise they would serve Christ. You can say salvation is transfer of the property between two owners. From sin to Christ.

Now, just because you committed sin, does not mean you are not a Christian. We still live in Adam's fallen flesh that desires to sin, and it's a battle until the end of our lives here on Earth. But if you are a Christian, repent of the sin, and do not serve it because Christ is your owner, you belong to Him, and it is your duty to do what He tells you to do.

Now, in many churches you have people who call themselves Christians, yet they serve sin and the pastor responds wrongly saying 'God loves everyone'. Well according to God's Holy Word, if you serve sin and not Christ, you do not belong to God. So there is no such things as Christian serving sin, for example someone claiming to be Christian and yet living constantly in homosexuality.

We are who we serve. We all need to ask ourself, who we serve. If you still serve sin, your owner is sin, and you are not saved. If you serve Christ, your owner is Christ, and you are saved.
 

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Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Adam was created to serve God. The moment Adam sinned, he became a slave to sin, and with him the whole humanity. Therefore sinners can do nothing but sin, because they are enslaved to sin.

When Paul wrote this letter to Christians in Rome 2000 years ago, a slave was seen as a property to their owner. Hence why Paul says sinners are enslaved to sin, because sin is their owner. Be therefore not surprised when sinners sin, as they cannot do otherwise. Sinners think they have a free choice, but they don't, they must serve their master, sin. For example, people who say they can chose what gender they are, they can chose what their identity is, are sinning. I'm not saying sinners cannot do good deeds, because they can, but when they do, they are not doing it out of love for God, without faith even a good deed is sinful.

Sinners need a new owner. Only Jesus Christ can free them from slavery of sin. Only God can replace their stony hearts with a heart of flesh that is capable of obeying God and reject sin. That's why we need to preach the Gospel of Christ to sinners and pray for God to have mercy on them. It's not about intelligent debates (not like there's anything wrong with them). No matter what facts you present to a sinner, he will not believe, because he is enslaved to sin. A sinner needs Christ to free him. Therefore, we must point people to the cross of Christ.

Romans 6 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

If you are a Christian, your owner is Christ, therefore obey Christ and not sin. As with slavery 2000 years ago, a new owner must purchase a slave from the old one. A transaction must be paid. If you are a Christian, Christ purchased you from slavery of sin on the cross. Do not therefore obey sin any longer, but obey Christ. It is our duty to serve Christ, because He owns you.

A man cannot have to owners, either you serve sin or you serve Christ. If someone calls themselves Christian, but serves sin, they are not truly a Christian, otherwise they would serve Christ. You can say salvation is transfer of the property between two owners. From sin to Christ.

Now, just because you committed sin, does not mean you are not a Christian. We still live in Adam's fallen flesh that desires to sin, and it's a battle until the end of our lives here on Earth. But if you are a Christian, repent of the sin, and do not serve it because Christ is your owner, you belong to Him, and it is your duty to do what He tells you to do.

Now, in many churches you have people who call themselves Christians, yet they serve sin and the pastor responds wrongly saying 'God loves everyone'. Well according to God's Holy Word, if you serve sin and not Christ, you do not belong to God. So there is no such things as Christian serving sin, for example someone claiming to be Christian and yet living constantly in homosexuality.

We are who we serve. We all need to ask ourself, who we serve. If you still serve sin, your owner is sin, and you are not saved. If you serve Christ, your owner is Christ, and you are saved.
I need more clarity on the differnce between the sinner who is a slave of sin and the sinner who is a slave of righteousness. I can't relate to homosexuality or transgenderism, so those examples don't help me (or 95% of the rest of the world either).

Let's say two people get into an argument, both parties get angry, and they part ways vowing to never talk to one another again. But the Lord is not happy about the situation and leads them both to reconcile. But neither repents. What determines the point in time that they become sinners who are slaves of sin instead of sinners who are slaves of righteousness?
 
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I need more clarity on the differnce between the sinner who is a slave of sin and the sinner who is a slave of righteousness. I can't relate to homosexuality or transgenderism, so those examples don't help me (or 95% of the rest of the world either).

Let's say two people get into an argument, both parties get angry, and they part ways vowing to never talk to one another again. But the Lord is not happy about the situation and leads them both to reconcile. But neither repents. What determines the point in time that they become sinners who are slaves of sin instead of sinners who are slaves of righteousness?
I believe the answer lies in Romans 7

13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

We see here Paul, a born again Christian struggling with sin, he hates it. But he acknowledges that he still lives in a sinful flesh, and no one will save him, apart from Lord Jesus Christ when he gives him a new resurracted body.

Someone who is a slave to sin does not have this battle, because slave helds him captive. This person does not hate sin. Ok, maybe some he hates, but nowhere near as a born again Christian.

The fact that someone struggles with sin, he battles sin all his life, hates the sin and desires do serve Christ shows that He has been born again of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise he would not have these battles and desires to obey God.

During Romans Empire, when someone comitted murder, they would chain the dead body to the murderer to remind him for the rest of his life that he killed a person.
If you are in Christ, then you killed sin, but it is still there attached to you for the rest of the life.

How do you react when you sin says a lot about you. Looked at the many believers in the Bible how they reacted when they sinned. It lead them to God and repentance
 
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I believe the answer lies in Romans 7

13 Did that which is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, producing death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure. 14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. 15 For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. 16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. 17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.

21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand. 22 For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, 23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. 24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

We see here Paul, a born again Christian struggling with sin, he hates it. But he acknowledges that he still lives in a sinful flesh, and no one will save him, apart from Lord Jesus Christ when he gives him a new resurracted body.

Someone who is a slave to sin does not have this battle, because slave helds him captive. This person does not hate sin. Ok, maybe some he hates, but nowhere near as a born again Christian.

The fact that someone struggles with sin, he battles sin all his life, hates the sin and desires do serve Christ shows that He has been born again of the Holy Spirit. Otherwise he would not have these battles and desires to obey God.

During Romans Empire, when someone comitted murder, they would chain the dead body to the murderer to remind him for the rest of his life that he killed a person.
If you are in Christ, then you killed sin, but it is still there attached to you for the rest of the life.

How do you react when you sin says a lot about you. Looked at the many believers in the Bible how they reacted when they sinned. It lead them to God and repentance
This is a pretty good explanation of the conflict between the flesh and the spirit of a person who has Christ living in his heart. Your wording here that a person's love for God and the things of God and his distaste for sin and his desire for repentance when he fails are the result of Christ living in them and them being new creatures in Christ. Like you said here, this separates the lost from the saved because lost people don't have the same point of view.

The reason I asked the question was there are statements in the original post which point to these things being a personal responsibility of saved people instead of a feature of their salvation (see below).
If you are a Christian, your owner is Christ, therefore obey Christ and not sin.​
Do not therefore obey sin any longer, but obey Christ.​
It is our duty to serve Christ, because He owns you.​
If someone calls themselves Christian, but serves sin, they are not truly a Christian, otherwise they would serve Christ.​
But if you are a Christian, repent of the sin, and do not serve it because Christ is your owner, you belong to Him, and it is your duty to do what He tells you to do.​
Like you indicated above, lost people can't fulfill these requirements, but they are in the DNA (Divine NAture) of those who are saved.
 
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Romans 6:6 We know that our old self was crucified with him in order that the body of sin might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin. 7 For one who has died has been set free from sin. 8 Now if we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Adam was created to serve God. The moment Adam sinned, he became a slave to sin, and with him the whole humanity. Therefore sinners can do nothing but sin, because they are enslaved to sin.

When Paul wrote this letter to Christians in Rome 2000 years ago, a slave was seen as a property to their owner. Hence why Paul says sinners are enslaved to sin, because sin is their owner. Be therefore not surprised when sinners sin, as they cannot do otherwise. Sinners think they have a free choice, but they don't, they must serve their master, sin. For example, people who say they can chose what gender they are, they can chose what their identity is, are sinning. I'm not saying sinners cannot do good deeds, because they can, but when they do, they are not doing it out of love for God, without faith even a good deed is sinful.

Sinners need a new owner. Only Jesus Christ can free them from slavery of sin. Only God can replace their stony hearts with a heart of flesh that is capable of obeying God and reject sin. That's why we need to preach the Gospel of Christ to sinners and pray for God to have mercy on them. It's not about intelligent debates (not like there's anything wrong with them). No matter what facts you present to a sinner, he will not believe, because he is enslaved to sin. A sinner needs Christ to free him. Therefore, we must point people to the cross of Christ.

Romans 6 16 Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God, that you who were once slaves of sin have become obedient from the heart to the standard of teaching to which you were committed, 18 and, having been set free from sin, have become slaves of righteousness.

If you are a Christian, your owner is Christ, therefore obey Christ and not sin. As with slavery 2000 years ago, a new owner must purchase a slave from the old one. A transaction must be paid. If you are a Christian, Christ purchased you from slavery of sin on the cross. Do not therefore obey sin any longer, but obey Christ. It is our duty to serve Christ, because He owns you.

A man cannot have to owners, either you serve sin or you serve Christ. If someone calls themselves Christian, but serves sin, they are not truly a Christian, otherwise they would serve Christ. You can say salvation is transfer of the property between two owners. From sin to Christ.

Now, just because you committed sin, does not mean you are not a Christian. We still live in Adam's fallen flesh that desires to sin, and it's a battle until the end of our lives here on Earth. But if you are a Christian, repent of the sin, and do not serve it because Christ is your owner, you belong to Him, and it is your duty to do what He tells you to do.

Now, in many churches you have people who call themselves Christians, yet they serve sin and the pastor responds wrongly saying 'God loves everyone'. Well according to God's Holy Word, if you serve sin and not Christ, you do not belong to God. So there is no such things as Christian serving sin, for example someone claiming to be Christian and yet living constantly in homosexuality.

We are who we serve. We all need to ask ourself, who we serve. If you still serve sin, your owner is sin, and you are not saved. If you serve Christ, your owner is Christ, and you are saved.
To serve Jesus Christ is a continuous commitment. A person may choose to forsake his faith at any time he is tempted to sin and he chooses to sin.

The spiritual state we are in at the time of our death is what determines where we will spend eternity. If we are serving God at the time of our death, we will be approved to inherit/enter eternal life. If not, we will enter hell for eternity.
 
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