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The Saving results of the Death of Christ !
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The results of the saving death of Christ is redemptive and so it effects the gathering of all Gods chosen people from around the world Ps 107:1-3
O give thanks unto the Lord, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
2 Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;
3 And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south.
Remember the high priest words in Jn 11 how that Christ should die and gather the children of God scattered abroad, and not just from the nation israel ? Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
This gathering together of the people of God is the fruit and success of the redemptive , saving death of Christ.
O give thanks unto the Lord, for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever.
2 Let the redeemed of the Lord say so, whom he hath redeemed from the hand of the enemy;
3 And gathered them out of the lands, from the east, and from the west, from the north, and from the south.
Remember the high priest words in Jn 11 how that Christ should die and gather the children of God scattered abroad, and not just from the nation israel ? Jn 11:50-52
50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
This gathering together of the people of God is the fruit and success of the redemptive , saving death of Christ.
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Its of Faith so to be of Grace
Rom 4:16 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Many will say that Faith/Believing isn't a work because...
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Thats the same thing, you dont agree with me. I already discussed faiths role in salvation in this discussion, that lets me know that you also not paying attention, and you disgree. Then you going to turn around and ask me to explain more ? Get real Explaining takes me time and effort which you dismiss in disagreement because you can.
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I'm posting relevant verses that IMO oppose your understanding in your OP (and I have explained why), but you avoid them. You post a lot of other verses and explain them, but not the verses I have asked for. As long as you aren't willing to engage those verses directly, I'm not interested in going further. God bless!
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Look, Im not wasting my time laboring in the word for you. Read my posts, that took labor
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Its of Faith so to be of Grace
Rom 4:16 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, Many will say that Faith/Believing isn't a work because...
Faith is the assurance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen.
Faith comes from hearing the Word of Christ...
By Grace you are saved through faith - not of yourselves - it is a gift from God.
It is not something we do, it is a gift we are given.
Unbelief is refusing what we have heard and rejecting the gift and the giver.
Yet - when we are faithless He is faithful for He cannot deny Himself.
To say "I believe faith saves, not Christ..." is a nonsense - as the two are inseparable.
For by the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think with sober judgment, each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned.
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True! Separating Christ from faith goes both ways. Christ saves, and faith is the means by which His saving work is received. it's not either or, it's both.
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Would you say that Christ only saves those who have faith?; if so then salvation depends on ones ability to produce faith. This idea doesn't seem right, as it seems to preclude those who haven't had the opportunity to study theology. We need to have solid evidence, before we can give our lives to God.
I'm wondering about the origin of faith and why some have it and others don't.
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I would say faith is the ordinary means by which God brings people into salvation, but there are exceptions. For instance I believe young children and those without the mental capacity to believe the gospel are saved without faith.
Salvation does not depend on ones ability to produce faith, since faith is a gift from God.
It's hard to know why some come to faith in Christ and others not. It seems every person's journey to Christ is somewhat different.
Sorry for OT!
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That occurs only when the person is yet unregenerate and in the flesh. When a person is regenerate all that is removed and faith is given
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