Minneapolis ICE shooting: Toxic empathy vs. the rule of law

Postvieww · Jan 15, 2026

Helmut-WK said:
. But don't say »in every county«, when it is only true in uncivilized countries, and in the USA.

The part of this country that is uncivilized is the lunatic mobs in the streets screaming like animals, throwing objects at law enforcement, ramming law enforcement cars with their own, blowing whistles and using air horns like spoiled brats. Anyone who supports this madness is absolutely living in an alternate universe. Any sane person who acts like these mobsters should expect to be arrested or worse. The latest lunatic shot by ICE attacked with a shovel.

Yarddog · Jan 15, 2026

ChubbyCherub said:
Ok, but apparently hit the man and caused internal bleeding.

That is extremely doubtful, unless they consider a bruise internal bleeding.

Postvieww · Jan 15, 2026

Yarddog said:
That is extremely doubtful, unless they consider a bruise internal bleeding.

So you consider bruising a law enforcement officer with your car acceptable?

Yarddog · Jan 15, 2026

Postvieww said:
So you consider bruising a law enforcement officer with your car acceptable?

No, I understand the officer's first shot but the next two were inexcusable.

ChubbyCherub · Jan 15, 2026

Helmut-WK said:
You said it would be a matter of life or death in any country. I replied that in Germany (and I am sure many other countries, the consequences are less severe. I explained this in more details, because you did object to it.

Mrs. Good made a mistake. It caused her death in Minneapolis, but a similar mistake in other countries would be not that fatal. If you don't want to test that, ok. But don't say »in every county«, when it is only true in uncivilized countries, and in the USA.

I'm not emotive or a social justice warrior. I am neutral about the whole thing, as far as who is in the wrong and why, but wanted to point out personal accountability and the fact that this was an unfortunate, but possibly, avoidable situation by all involved.

But, I have seen other posts by you and you seem to have a strong bias against Trump and the USA which clouds your version of reality with regards to self defense, generally, society etc, IMO and, as a result, a productive and objective discourse won't be had between us, so I'm withdrawing.

God bless.

Vanellus · Jan 15, 2026

Valletta said:
The ICE officer is a victim, all because on an individual choose to violate federal law in multiple instances.

Given what ICE stands for, which immigration or customs offences did Renee commit?

Vanellus · Jan 15, 2026

Helmut-WK said:
when it is only true in uncivilized countries, and in the USA.

Given what the democratically elected Trump is saying about Greenland, he and the US is being regarded as uncivilized in Europe.

Helmut-WK · Jan 21, 2026

ChubbyCherub said:
But, I have seen other posts by you and you seem to have a strong bias against Trump and the USA which clouds your version of reality with regards to self defense, generally, society etc,

Yes, I have a bias against an habitual liar that tried to steal the election from Biden. And if you doubt that this description is neutral, you are biased.

ChubbyCherub · Jan 22, 2026

Helmut-WK said:
Yes, I have a bias against an habitual liar that tried to steal the election from Biden. And if you doubt that this description is neutral, you are biased.

I think you have to look up the definition of bias with regards to how it pertains to a specific subject and then how it pertains to overlap within another.

You can't claim to be 'neutral' if the subject you're upset about, or happy about, is due to the thoughts/feelings of another subject which happens to include the same individuals/administration.

When you study science, like I have, you have to state your bias, due to the way it informs your conclusion on whatever matter you're discussing/researching.

Hope this helps you to understand how I am using the terms 'neutral' and 'bias', compared to how you are using them, so there are no needless misunderstandings.

Helmut-WK · Friday at 3:52 PM

ChubbyCherub said:
You can't claim to be 'neutral' if the subject you're upset about, or happy about, is due to the thoughts/feelings of another subject which happens to include the same individuals/administration.

I don't understand. That Trump often (about 30% AFAIK) tells things that are distorted or simply wrong, is a known fact. So what subjects you are speaking about?

ChubbyCherub said:
When you study science, like I have,

I also have studied, first linguistics, then informatics.

The Barbarian · Saturday at 3:23 PM

T.O. Goodwin said:
Because of that contradiction, and because the footage hasn’t been fully released, many people believe the situation deserves closer scrutiny before accepting any official narrative. That isn’t an attack on law enforcement — it’s simply acknowledging that the available evidence is mixed and that the public deserves clarity.

It's telling that Noem immediately declared her a "domestic terrorist" before there was any investigation of the killing. For her, the facts didn't matter. Or more likely, she had some inkling of what the facts are.

The fact that information is being hidden from local police by Noem, gives us reason to expect a cover-up.

The Barbarian · Monday at 1:46 PM

ChubbyCherub said:
Ok, but apparently hit the man and caused internal bleeding.

Which miraculously cleared up after fired three shots into her after she tried to leave. That's why you'll never see evidence for it.

The Barbarian · Monday at 1:50 PM

Postvieww said:
The part of this country that is uncivilized is the lunatic mobs in the streets screaming like animals, throwing objects at law enforcement, ramming law enforcement cars with their own, blowing whistles and using air horns like spoiled brats.

Ah, alternative reality. Now I understand. Or were you talking about the guy who threw a Subway Sandwich at an ICE agent? The horror... the horror. ICE actually charged him with a felony, and the agent recounted in court the pain and suffering as the mustard went across his face. Unfortunately, where was video, and it showed that the sandwich never came unwrapped. This is the kind of hysterical exaggeration we're seeing from ICE.

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