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New documents shed light on Renee Good’s ties to ICE monitoring efforts in Minneapolis
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FYI, Steve. Now I am going to talk about something I have not been discussing instead of "internal bleeding" and media literacy.
When she refers to "we don't change our plates every morning" she is referring to the ICE practice of [illegally] changing their plates to not match the registration of the car. When she says "see us later on" she is referring both to his photographing of *their plates* and that they expect to do more ICE monitoring later in the day where they expected to have their plates recorded again. Here she is indicating that she is aware that ICE tracks monitors and they are not intimidated.
Her use of "big boy" is to infantilize him. It is a common usage against self-important men that want to show how important they are. She is treating him toddler who has just learned how to use the toilet.
Virtually everything Becca Good says to the ICE man is sarcasm and snark. It is exceedingly common in the region especially when dealing with self-important humorless persons like him.
When she refers to "we don't change our plates every morning" she is referring to the ICE practice of [illegally] changing their plates to not match the registration of the car. When she says "see us later on" she is referring both to his photographing of *their plates* and that they expect to do more ICE monitoring later in the day where they expected to have their plates recorded again. Here she is indicating that she is aware that ICE tracks monitors and they are not intimidated.
Her use of "big boy" is to infantilize him. It is a common usage against self-important men that want to show how important they are. She is treating him toddler who has just learned how to use the toilet.
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You used quotes. You don't have to put your own interpretations in quotes.
Yes, and at the same time using quotes.
But I didn't use quotes.
It could mean that they expected ICE to come and visit them later.
Where did I say that?
So you write your own posts because you are presenting tendentious interpretations and because you use bad quotes?
Perhaps they say it so that ICE knows that the plates match the owner records? Perhaps they are prepared that their actions can lead to follow-up visits?
Where did I say they were arrested?
I said that it can mean that.
But you put it in quotes.
Of course you can, that is not the problem but a plain reading of what was actually said doesn't support what you said. And quotes should actually quote what was said, you can't change the quotes themselves to fit your narrative.
Did I change any quotes?
Still not evidenced by the wife's statements.
I disagree that it is a reasonable assumption. If the statements as easily can support another hypothesis then they are not evidence for any hypothesis.
Here is an example. Your quote of her is nowhere close to what she actually said, and your interpretation is a better fit with your changes than what she actually said. It reads disingenuously.
Why use quotes at all if you are changing what was said to suit your narrative?
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If the road was blocked the car wouldn't be able to go round. Waving a car round is not the same as a car or cars going round.
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Wrong. If you watch the video taken from the rear Renee Good (she has a name) backs up her car after this point. I was correcting your false statement. A traffic offence does not justify cold blooded murder. The position of Good's car when approached by ICE agents is what is relevant.
No cars were blocked from driving down the road.
I was correcting your false statement about multiple horns sounding
That that is where the horn is sounding about something else.
So it's ok for ICE to go around shooting people then since police good practice doesn't apply to them.
Good had also been told to drive away. She hadn't committed any immigration offences.
They tried to violently open Good's car door. Her side window was open so they could speak to her. It looked like they intended to drag her out of her car.
This is invention by you based on nothing.
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No it does not. So it is a good thing that did not happen.
The position of her car is only relevant as a piece of the evidence as to why the agents were contacting her and commanding her to get out of the car.
The shooting occurred when she drove the car forward and struck the agent with it.
The cars were blocked from driving in that lane of traffic.
I don't think anyone has said that. What has to be determined is if the officer reasonably believed at the time he was in danger of serious injury or death when she drove her car into him.
We don't know if she was told to drive away or not. We do know the officer at her window was ordering her out. It is alleged she had committed Federal Offenses for which she was being detained.
All that is irrelevant. She was ordered out and wasn't getting out. They probably would have dragged her out for refusing to get out. That's kind of how it works.
Its based on science. Its a natural physiological response.
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You still haven't answered my question. Did any cars pass in front of Good's car when she was parked in the position at which time ICE officers approached her and her car in the period of time before she was shot dead? Yes or no?
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Ok so the video shows cars passing in front of Good's car. I don't know why you couldn't just state that in words though. So the road wasn't blocked since vehicles were able to pass by Good's car.
But since you seem to like non verbal answers:
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Actually, in that video you linked that shows the 3 minute lead up...it's the first I'd seen that video (from the across the street person recording it)... shows here honking her horn and laughing and dancing having a jolly old time.
She's be refusing instructions for several minutes, and based on the other interviews in the video, it would appear that Renee (at least based on what the bystanders observed) was the de facto leader of that protest caravan.
People keep mentioning "I saw another car get around"...
Yes, some managed to squeak by while at the very end of when she was pulling it forward, but...basic common sense should be letting people know that moving it forward by another few feet immediately afterwards is the difference between a Chevy Suburban or big pick up being to get through vs. not get through.
Here's the place where her car was after she was done pulling it forward
It's way over the line into the other lane, and there's another car (the white one) that's parked on the street.
This one was able to sneak around while she was pulling forward
But after that one got around, she moved another 3-4 feet
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Good wasn't parked parallel to the curb but not exactly perpendicular, say c70 degrees to the kerb when approached by the two agents. The video (not as unbiased as claimed) doesn't show Good's car straddling the centre dashed line of the road. Where I live people aren't shot in the head for parking offences. Are people shot in the head for illegal parking where you live? Note I've given a verbal answer in this post. How about you do the same.
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Pretty much all of the instructions for a period of 4-5 minutes were ignored
Move the vehicle
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Move the vehicle
- horns and whistles
Move the vehicle
- honks the horn even more and dances in the car
Move the vehicle
- pulls it forward even further
Move the vehicle
- wife gets out to trash talk
Move the vehicle
- "hehe go around, I'm not mad, are you mad???" (like a sibling saying "why are you hitting yourself")
Okay, that's enough, get out of the vehicle
- hits the gas to attempt to flee
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