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As your article shows, it's very limited.Yes they do.
ICE Arrest Powers Beyond Immigration, When Federal Agents Can Detain Citizens
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They were blocking one lane of traffic where their operation was taking place. Good's vehicle had no effect on that operation.
Correct, she had no effect on the ICE agents to do their duty. She was guilty of a traffic violation and not obstruction.
Depends. Police wouldn't have approached her screaming at her to get out. Police are trained to deescalate a situation. If police had been yelling conflicting orders, as the ICE agents were, they would had been partially at fault.
I have said that but since she wasn't obstructing their operation, they had no authority.
Her situation was totally different than Good's.
No, first hand testimony. Former ICE officials know what their officers are trained in. Judges also know the law and rule on these cases.
Not a criminal law breaker.
No one said they did. The only illegal thing that she did was a traffic violation.
You don't have to obey unlawful orders.
I said something along those lines. I found the exact words now.
Ah I am understanding what you are on about now. Honestly my reference to Renee partners words were not in relation to you discussion with the other poster. I did not even see this. I just metioned that as one piece of evidence with others that came out later.This one is closer to what she said, but she said when ICE comes and visit them later. I have my transcript and a link to conversation in the following post.
New documents shed light on Renee Good’s ties to ICE monitoring efforts in Minneapolis
Wife. No quote marks required. Let's at least be accurate about such simple details. Quotes stay...but I can see why YOU dont agree with it...www.christianforums.com
Saying that the number plates will be the same every morning suggests they are going out every morning. Shes saying 'don't worry if you see us each morning the number plate will be the same. So you don't have to keep checking it'.
The actual words from Renee's wife Rebecca Nicole Good. In the transcript and video above.
That is not obvious. Is there any reports of any previous encounters?I said something along those lines. I found the exact words now.
Her wife, Rebecca Good, was outside the car and spoke to the ICE agent, saying “We don’t change our plates every morning. It will be the same plate when you talk to us later,”
Rebecca and ICE agent Jonathan Ross's last words to Renee Nicole Good revealed: What Rebecca said about Minneapolis fatal shooting?
Rebecca and ICE agent Jonathan Ross's last words to Renee Nicole Good revealed. New footage shows the moments before Renee Good, 37, was shot and killed in Minneapolis. Her wife, Rebecca, shares details of the incident and her grief. The video raises questions about the encounter and responses...economictimes.indiatimes.com
As I said this suggests that this encounter was not or would not be the only encounter with ICE agents. Afterall they were part of a social group whose aim was to make it hard for ICE agents to do their job. So obviously this was not the only time.
Well, you liked his post.
Why not?
Because there are clips and reports of ICE changing plates. It is in relation to ICE is changing plates. And that Renee and her wife didn't, in contrast to ICE.
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That is not what she is saying, she says the plate will be the same when ICE comes and talk to them later. So "She is telling everyone that they are going to do the same that day." is straight up false. Why are you straight up twisting the what she said?
This is your interpretation based on something she NOT did say.
Quotation marks around a falsehood? Are you joking? That's not what she said again. What video are you watching?
No, when ICE comes and talk to them later them. Not "stop". There is no implication that they will keep doing it the same day.
Where?
Where? Not, in the video I linked. When ICE comes to talk to them later, implies when ICE seek them out, not the other way around.
Give me the video you working from then, because your commentary doesn't match the video I posted. Don't twist her words.
You really don't read things carefully, do you? Trace back this interaction.
Only in news reports. Its early days. But they belonged to a group who were organised to actively disrupt ICE. Do you think this was their only time.
Do you mean 'Like' his post. I can't remember if I said something. I know I agreed with him. But that was not related to my point with Hans. I was speaking about how Hans was claiming certain anonymous facts. Questioning why the report of internal bleeding had not come out officially.
Ah because they belonged to a group whose mission it was to make it hard for ICE lol. Its there in the mission of the group. The groups works in a way that whenever ICE agents are identified in the area then group members are notified to then go out and help protect the community.
Ok so that is new info for me. Which shows I was not following the discussion earlier on this. I should have got up to date with it. Sorry about that.Because there are clips and reports of ICE changing plates. It is in relation to ICE is changing plates. And that Renee and her wife didn't, in contrast to ICE.
Minnesota DVS warns ICE agents they’re violating state law by switching license plates
The director of Minnesota’s Driver and Vehicle Services told federal homeland security officials to stop license plate switching immediately. Gov. Tim Walz called tampering with plates “criminal activity.”Illinois officials warn rental car companies that it is illegal for immigration agents to swap license plates
The secretary of state sent a cease and desist letter to ICE head Todd Lyons, citing “multiple reports of federal ICE agents illegally swapping out the license plates displayed on vehicles.”Illinois warns immigration officers tampering with license plates is illegal
Hotline introduced to report on agents’ vehicles after one said plates were changed every day in videowww.theguardian.com
So what did Rebecca mean when she said 'later' ? Was that later regarding the same incident they were in at the time. Or later as in a seperate encounter later that day they may have. To remind them that each time they see them their plates will always be the same.
Ok fair enough. Yes its an interpretation like all views are at the moment. There are bits and pieces of info and its hard to piece things together.
It seems an interpretation others are coming to as well. I agree trying to work out what is going on by certain statements is not enough. There needs to be more evidence. More information. I am sure they would have info on whether there were other occassions.
But then theres no indication they won't or have not. Its too hard to tell.
Based on saying that their plates will always be the same whenever they see them. Why say it otherwise.
What do you mean seek them out. At their homes or when they are protesting again.
I have but evidently there is more than one interpretation. I was agreeing with the other poster on his interpretation. So its not as if this interpretation is a reasonable interpretation. Two independent people coming to the same interpretation.
Whatever. The point was about Ross being seen at the hospital. That came directly from Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem. Like I said I have a direct statement for the DHS/ICE Secretary and another from an anonymous source from the same department.
She never said that "they were going to be out and about that afternoon doing the same." She said that plates will be the same when ICE comes to talk with them later. Your statement is not what she said. And you put it in quotes again, why do you put it quotes if you don't plan to actually present quotes? This is tantamount to lying.
That ICE would come and visit them perhaps?
How about ICE comes an visit them later as an explanation.
Yes, I don't believe you have showed that they planned to go out and protest later.
So why did you write your statements then?
I have no idea, but I haven't said one way or another.
Because, it makes fun of ICEs changing of plates.
At their homes or work or whatever.
Presenting false quotes, that is not a good look, that is tendentious commentary or straight up lies.
You have already made statements on the evidence you had at hand. You can't now retreat to more evidence is needed
You can think that if you want, but it is not evidenced by the wife's statements.
Your disinterest in the only conversation I have been having with you here is... telling.
But it didn't. It was anonymous when you made that claim. The anonymous claim came first in one outlet, then another. It is not surprising that the Secretary *confirmed* it when asked at a press conference or something.
Frankly, HHS Secretary Noem and her spokesperson McWhatever, are prolific prevaricators. Again, the normal way to do this is to put out a press release with quotes from named doctors at the hospital or at a press report (often with the doctors) while the agent recovers in the hospital. Actual "internal bleeding" that is not just a bruise is quite life threatening and serious. Nothing about this claim has indicated they act like it is serious.
Hmm quite a redefinition of the word "middle" - maybe it's an alternative middle.
Yes it does.
They are not local police. They are Federal Law Enforcement. And as such may enforce federal laws, which these lunatics are violating.
No, but they can order her to move as she is blocking the proper lane of traffic for officers to use. And of she refuses they can charge her with obstruction. LE can block traffic in the performance of their duties. Citizens cannot.
Not for ICE, which I stated. They do for Police but ICE is not Police.
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No, they are U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. As their web site says: "Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) enforces federal laws governing border control, customs, trade, and immigration."
That depends on which laws Trump is violating. That lunatic will lie about anything.
All pictures show that there was plenty of room for agents to pass by on either side of her vehicle. You can order her to move her car but that is not a lawful order because you do not have the authority to act as an Officer of the Minneapolis Police dept. and neither does ICE.
She can be charged but that doesn't make it a lawful charge. Most likely that would be thrown out by the judge at her hearing.
Yes. ICE was blocking traffic about a hundred yards away from where Good was located. That was legal.
That depends on why a citizen may block traffic. Citizens can block traffic in emergency circumstances, such as traffic accidents ahead of them.
Limited yes. But for what is going on, sufficient. Limited to Federal laws, which these people are breaking.
Traffic laws are not Federal laws. Traffic laws are state or local law enforcement issues.
Yes they do. Even for ICE. These laws allow ALL LE to be able to do that. The laws do not list every possible LE agency.
As I pointed out they can also enforce other Federal Laws. Including obstruction types of laws. You are just incorrect.
She was blocking the proper lane of traffic. Forcing officers to have to go around you is Obstruction. Yes you can order her to move her car. They have authority to do so.
Which wasn't the case here yes?
