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Trump threatens 25% tariff on European allies until Denmark sells Greenland to US
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Yes. It completely ignores the concepts of sovereignty and self-determination. Greenland is not US territory. The people of Greenland do not want to be part of the US. Denmark, who are the rulers of Greenland, have no desire to sell or otherwise surrender control of the territory to the US. Therefore, the desire of the US President for the territory is not relevant - if its security is vital to US interests, then we can leverage our existing, very friendly and cooperative, relationship with the Danish government and NATO in general in order to make sure it is properly secured. We do not need to own the territory for that to happen.
I'm sure that Canada thinks Alaska is vital to its security interests - should we give it to them if they ask?
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It's the Gateway Pundit. That's not sanewashing. They're the opposite of sanewashing. Anything that comes out of there is INSANTLY suspect.
It's about the same level as Infowars, Natural News, Conservapedia or WorldNetDaily.
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Yep. From your own link:-
BTW, the link in the Gateway pundit article goes to an article by Nature which references the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and basically backs the agreed climate change models.
Meanwhile, in Trumpland...
So your article says that the US should takeover Greenland because climate change is causing the artic to heat up, however Trump doesn't believe this and thinks it's all a con.
Which means that either Trump is lying and really does believe in climate change, or he is lying and there's no security threat because the artic isn't warming and thus not allowing greater access to Russia, China or the Kraken from H.G Wells.
We look forward to your opinion as to which one Trump is lying about.
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U.S. equities suffered big losses Tuesday after President Donald Trump intensified his rhetoric on Greenland, threatening to impose new tariffs on countries opposing the sale of the Danish territory to the United States.
[...that might get his attention]
[...that might get his attention]
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America has bought large amounts of land in our history. This ain't nothing new. If America doesn't control access to the shipping lanes in the Arctic Ocean aroundGreenland, then Russia and China most surely shall. Which option is the most preferable one?
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Acquiring Greenland isn’t required to accomplish any of that. We had military cooperation prior to this fool’s errand.
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When the last time we did it was over 150 years ago (Alaska in 1867; I'm not counting the Virgin Islands as a "large amount of land," and the Philippines were granted independence), it kinda is something new. The world has changed significantly since then.
1. There are currently no restrictions on the operation of US warships around Greenland, and we're free to open as many bases on the territory as we want, and base as many troops as we want there. During the Cold War, US soldiers made up something like 20-30% of Greenland's population at their maximum of ~15k. In other words, us not having ownership of Greenland does not prevent us from controlling the shipping lanes around it.
2. You present a false dichotomy. Most of our NATO allies have naval forces - why would they cede control of the waters around their northern reaches to Russia or China? Not to mention, Russia's navy is a complete joke - see how Ukraine, a country with no navy whatsoever, is somehow winning the naval war in the Black Sea.
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What options are you talking about for heaven's sake? Control access all you want. Greenland (and Denmark) will be grateful for it. And if you need more and/or larger bases in Greenland then just ask nicely. They'll literally give them to you! They'll welcome the influx of money. You'll be welcomed with open arms.
But, no. Trump is psychologically unable to ask nicely. He needs to threaten. He needs to demand. He needs to play what he thinks is the strong man. Except we all see him for what he is.
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Threatening bad things unless the deal goes through isn't buying. It's extortion. You're simping for thuggery.
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That this is the only response you're able to muster to my post is telling.
China's navy is untested. They have a lot of ships; whether those ships (and more importantly, the sailors on them) are actually any good remains to be seen. They might turn out to be a joke, or they might not. But that doesn't address anything at all that I said.
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This is so frustrating. The answer is simple. The USA talks to Greenland about increasing their military bases there. Greenland has agreed to that but they do not want to become citizens of the USA. So set up the bases and forget about taking over their territory. (An apology for suggesting it, in the first place, might be in order, but the Greenlanders probably would be generous enough to overlook that, if it is not forthcoming.)
Meanwhile it might be time for the 25th.
Meanwhile it might be time for the 25th.
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Trump Publishes Greenland Text Messages from France's Macron and NATO Chief Mark Rutte
President Donald Trump posted text messages that he received from French President Emmanuel Macron and NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte.
www.westernjournal.com
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You know what I will definitely NOT do if you send me a PM? I won't post it in the general forum. Out of common courtesy. I'd expect the same courtesy from you and I'd suggest that it would be automatically forthcoming.Trump Publishes Greenland Text Messages from France's Macron and NATO Chief Mark Rutte
President Donald Trump posted text messages that he received from French President Emmanuel Macron and NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte.
Trump? Well, Trump and common courtesy don't really go together, now do they.
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Trump has been offered plenty of off ramps to his escalation. He's not interested.
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