ICE shooting in Minneapolis, police swarm scene

hedrick · Monday at 10:55 AM

Valletta said:
ICE and the rest of law enforcement can be taken to court if they abuse their power.

Maybe. Criminal prosecution faces a very high bar: the officer must have intentionally violated the law. Civil cases aren't possible, I believe. So you'd have to do some kind of injunction, as has been done. Whether the Supreme Court will allow that is unclear. The record is mixed. There is a current injunction in Minnesota, but it's for treatment of protestors, not the normal actions of ICE. The Supreme Court made injunctions for that difficult when they allowed stops based on race. The proper way to deal with that is impeaching the Supreme Court members, but we're far from being able to do that.

I agree that judges don't accompany police, but in the end prosecutions have to come before them, and they will assess due process. I'm pretty sure that's not the case with putting aliens (or mistakenly identified citizen) in detention or even deporting them. Even when hearings occur, they are before administrative officers who are hired by the DOJ.

As I understand it, in the past ICE went after criminal gangs after investigation, and after specific people who were ordered expelled by a court. A few times they did workplace raids where they had reason to believe there were lots of undocumented workers. However in the past those have followed investigation, they require warrants, and it's unclear whether adminitrative warrants are legal. The employees should also have filed I-9, so they could determine in advance who is a citizen (and not hassle any employees with proper I-9's filed).

Today they're going to places where they think aliens are and demanding identification. I think that constitutionality of that is dubious. It's virtually impossible to avoid racial profiling. As far as I know, there is no law that requires citizens to carry ID, and permits police to demand it from random people. I believe they are in fact going to areas where illegal aliens are trying to find jobs, so no doubt they find actual illegal aliens. But they also sweep up other people. and violate the right of any citizens they stop.

They are also deporting people who appear for hearings as part of a legitimate path to asylum or even citizenship, such as our church member.

This is not the fault of individual ICE agents, but they're the ones who are going to be confronting protesters.

childeye 2 · Monday at 10:55 AM

hedrick said:
Yeah, people aren't being careful enough to say "some." But when ICE officers are acting as a group to do things that appear unjustied, it's understandable that people who say "ICE' rather than "some ICE agents," particularly if the things seem to be encouraged from the top.

I don't think we can afford to abolish ICE, but I do think we need new leadership who will prioritize good training and supervision. In any other time, Noem would be impeached and removed. But today the politics don't permit it. It's hard to know how to hold someone accountable when the President considers himself unaccoutable except to his own morality, whatever that is. It turns out that the checks and balances most of us learned about in grade school were in large part custom. We don't have a good way to deal with someone who doesn't believe in them, and has appointed enough Supreme Court justices to make him immune.

How far will we let it go? We will let him invade another country? He's already done it once. The NATO treaty requires Europe to respond. If they don't, Russia is going to assume that NATO doesn't mean anything.

One the ICE issue, I think in retrospect it's a mistake to let them arrest people without the usual types of court supervision that other law enforcement agencies get. I can see why the difference, but it's too easy to abuse. It's also a mistake not to have a Federal law that lets people sue if their rights are violated. There's a law that allows it at local and state level, but not Federal. That means that if Federal prosecutors are part of the problem, we lose a major way of getting it in front of the courts.

Again, for what it's worth, your post makes sense. I'm concerned about what happens to these people; are they sent to foreign countries, are they being exploited in these foreign countries? We already know about people being sent to foreign prisons without any trials, etc..
When people speak out, they're labeled as pro-criminals.

The thinking comes from Matthew 25:40 in the New Testament. It’s one of the most frequently quoted teachings of Jesus about compassion and responsibility toward others.

✨ The Quote

“Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

Context in Matthew 25

Jesus is describing the final judgment, separating people like sheep and goats based on how they treated those in need— the hungry, the thirsty, the stranger, the poor, the sick, and the imprisoned.

The message is simple but powerful: acts of kindness toward the vulnerable are treated as acts of kindness toward Christ himself.

hedrick · Monday at 11:21 AM

childeye 2 said:
Your language is without equanimity --> "They were warned", "Violent Rhetoric" ...??
You're blaming Frey and Walz indirectly for Renee's Death --> "Had Frey and Walz cooperated she would probably be alive today".

Where's the proof? Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to -->"Let some criminals go"...?

I've looked a bit to see what is behind this. What I can determine is that when people get to the end of their sentences, Minnesota releases them. We have lots of convicted criminals in our communities, because most sentences aren't for life. The question is how far Minnesota should go in getting them deported. Whether they have failed to honor legal requests from ICE would require more time investigating than I have. But the language about allowing criminals to roam is really just the obvious fact that most sentences aren't for life.

hedrick · Monday at 12:20 PM

Incidentally, I might be amenable to a law that says non-citizens convicted of certain crimes shoujld be deported automatically upon conviction, and requiring courts to notify ICE. There would need to be a loophole so we didn't have to send drug cartel leaders back ...

childeye 2 · Monday at 12:31 PM

hedrick said:
I've looked a bit to see what is behind this. What I can determine is that when people get to the end of their sentences, Minnesota releases them. We have lots of convicted criminals in our communities, because most sentences aren't for life. The question is how far Minnesota should go in getting them deported. Whether they have failed to honor legal requests from ICE would require more time investigating than I have. But the language about allowing criminals to roam is really just the obvious fact that most sentences aren't for life.

I commend you on the effort of chasing down how much is true and how much is inuendo. The lies are so thick, I now resort to AI, but as a matter of pragmatics, I'm looking for primitive meaning in a positive/negative polarity of prejudice, i.e. "Slander" vs. love others as you would want to be loved.

childeye 2 · Monday at 12:45 PM

hedrick said:
Incidentally, I might be amenable to a law that says non-citizens convicted of certain crimes shoujld be deported automatically upon conviction, and requiring courts to notify ICE. There would need to be a loophole so we didn't have to send drug cartel leaders back ...

The insinuation of protecting criminals is a dubious assertion when used to dismiss reports of inhumane treatment. It's a deflection from the vast majority of law-abiding immigrants who came here legally seeking amnesty or on work Visas. Once again, the inhumanity born of negative prejudice is the true problem in our national divide over the issue.

Vambram · Monday at 1:16 PM

childeye 2 said:
Where did ICE kill people in this report?

I'm showing you why ICE is there. What happened to Renee Goode is a tragedy that she brought upon herself.

Vambram · Monday at 1:18 PM

St Paul pastor denounces anti-ICE agitators who disrupted church service, says 'we're here to worship Jesus'

Former CNN host Don Lemon followed a group of anti-ICE agitators into a St. Paul, Minnesota, church service, and spoke to a pastor who called the disruption "shameful" on Sunday.

www.foxnews.com

These ICE protesters should be ashamed of themselves.

Vambram · Monday at 2:29 PM

childeye 2 said:
In scripture the devil= accuser/slanderer. Wickedness is wanting to believe bad things said about other without proof. I don't want to believe bad things said about others without proof. Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to let some criminals go?

Minnesota is a "Sanctuary state" meaning that they deny ICE the ability to arrest and deport criminal illegal immigrants.

hedrick · Monday at 2:40 PM

Vambram said:
Minnesota is a "Sanctuary state" meaning that they deny ICE the ability to arrest and deport criminal illegal immigrants.

That's not what sanctuary state normally means. It normally means that state and local police don't enforce immigration laws beyond what is legally required. Normally they do respond to warrants and other legally required documents. I haven't investigated far enough to know just Minnesota has done. They have honored some immigration detainers, but not as many as ICE wants. To understand, you'd need to look at the specific issues with each.

No state or locality has the power to stop ICE from arresting and deporting people, criminal or not. The issue is how much they cooperate.

hedrick · Monday at 2:43 PM

Vambram said:
St Paul pastor denounces anti-ICE agitators who disrupted church service, says 'we're here to worship Jesus'

Former CNN host Don Lemon followed a group of anti-ICE agitators into a St. Paul, Minnesota, church service, and spoke to a pastor who called the disruption "shameful" on Sunday.

www.foxnews.com

These ICE protesters should be ashamed of themselves.

More specifically, they may have violated FACE, a Federal law that prohibits disrupting worship.

childeye 2 · Monday at 3:22 PM

Vambram said:
I'm showing you why ICE is there. What happened to Renee Goode is a tragedy that she brought upon herself.

I know why ICE is there in the sense of its mission. That doesn't address cruelty, or inhumane brutality. When you say she brought it upon herself you excuse violence against peaceful protesters, protesting against --> inhumane treatment of immigrants, who are people no different than you or me in the eyes of God.

✨ The Quote

“Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

Context in Matthew 25

Jesus is describing the final judgment, separating people like sheep and goats based on how they treated those in need— the hungry, the thirsty, the stranger, the poor, the sick, and the imprisoned.

The message is simple but powerful: acts of kindness toward the vulnerable are treated as acts of kindness toward Christ himself.

Vambram · Monday at 3:54 PM

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childeye 2 said:
I know why ICE is there in the sense of its mission. That doesn't address cruelty, or inhumane brutality. When you say she brought it upon herself you excuse violence against peaceful protesters, protesting against --> inhumane treatment of immigrants, who are people no different than you or me in the eyes of God.

✨ The Quote
“Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.”

Context in Matthew 25
Jesus is describing the final judgment, separating people like sheep and goats based on how they treated those in need— the hungry, the thirsty, the stranger, the poor, the sick, and the imprisoned.

The message is simple but powerful: acts of kindness toward the vulnerable are treated as acts of kindness toward Christ himself.

She wasn't peacefully protesting. She was obstructing law enforcement officers and then drove her vehicle into a law enforcement officer. That is NOT peacefully protesting. Also, we are not inhumanely treated illegal immigrants. We are deporting criminal illegal immigrants and we are deporting illegal immigrants whom are here illegally.

Vambram · Monday at 3:56 PM

hedrick said:
That's not what sanctuary state normally means. It normally means that state and local police don't enforce immigration laws beyond what is legally required. Normally they do respond to warrants and other legally required documents. I haven't investigated far enough to know just Minnesota has done. They have honored some immigration detainers, but not as many as ICE wants. To understand, you'd need to look at the specific issues with each.

No state or locality has the power to stop ICE from arresting and deporting people, criminal or not. The issue is how much they cooperate.

I misposted what I meant to write. I intended to say that sanctuary cities and sanctuary states deny ICE the ability to very peacefully arrest and deport criminal illegal immigrants.

childeye 2 · Monday at 5:47 PM

Vambram said:
She

She wasn't peacefully protesting. She was obstructing law enforcement officers and then drove her vehicle into a law enforcement officer. That is NOT peacefully protesting. Also, we are not inhumanely treated illegal immigrants. We are deporting criminal illegal immigrants and we are deporting illegal immigrants whom are here illegally.

We're judged by whatever measure we use to judge others. Many of the first will be last and many of the last will be first.

Vambram · Monday at 5:57 PM

childeye 2 said:
We're judged by whatever measure we use to judge others. Many of the first will be last and many of the last will be first.

Are you defending the woman who obstructed law enforcement officers and who attempted to drive her car into a law enforcement officer?
Are you defending criminals?

childeye 2 · Tuesday at 12:55 PM

Vambram said:
Are you defending the woman who obstructed law enforcement officers and who attempted to drive her car into a law enforcement officer?
Are you defending criminals?

Your first question is a loaded question. 2 Corinthians 10:5 -> I try NOT to accept accusatory narratives presented without evidence lest I accept slander into my heart and become wicked. When I see protesters, I see people speaking out against brutality and cruelty. That does align with mercy and justice.

In this case, I don't know if Renee Good was actually protesting. I don't know that she was obstructing law enforcement or turning her car around because she saw there was an ICE operation ahead on her way home -> the location supports she was going home which doesn't support the narrative that she was there with the intention to obstruct ICE officers.

But to me what matters is that I know Jonathon Ross walked around the vehicle and stopped in front of the left front fender. And I know that as she tried to drive by him, he stepped out of the way as he fired. It's important evidence because it means he could've stepped out of the way and not fired.

Vambram · Tuesday at 2:38 PM

childeye 2 said:
Your first question is a loaded question. 2 Corinthians 10:5 -> I try NOT to accept accusatory narratives presented without evidence lest I accept slander into my heart and become wicked. When I see protesters, I see people speaking out against brutality and cruelty. That does align with mercy and justice.

In this case, I don't know if Renee Good was actually protesting. I don't know that she was obstructing law enforcement or turning her car around because she saw there was an ICE operation ahead on her way home -> the location supports she was going home which doesn't support the narrative that she was there with the intention to obstruct ICE officers.

But to me what matters is that I know Jonathon Ross walked around the vehicle and stopped in front of the left front fender. And I know that as she tried to drive by him, he stepped out of the way as he fired. It's important evidence because it means he could've stepped out of the way and not fired.

There was not enough time to step out of the way when she tried to drive into him.
Also, we know that she was a member of the group of protesters obstructing law enforcement officers.

childeye 2 · Tuesday at 2:58 PM

Vambram said:
There was not enough time to step out of the way when she tried to drive into him.

Again, I must practice 2 Corinthians 10:5 to be obedient to The Holy Spirit. I don't want to accept something bad told to me about others without proof. There's no proof "she tried to drive into him". Video shows Ross stepped out of the way.

Vambram said:
Also, we know that she was a member of the group of protesters obstructing law enforcement officers.

Who is "we" ? I've seen no evidence to substantiate the claim. Please look at this factual semantic analysis about the intentions of protesters so as to avoid accepting slander about them and/or avoid slandering them:

AI Query: Can you scan for interviews with protestors and do a semantic analysis to determine if they are protesting the removal of illegal immigrants, or the brutality and cruelty of their treatment?

Protester Sentiment Analysis: Renee Good Shooting
Analysis of nationwide protests following the fatal shooting of Renee Good indicates that demonstrators are primarily focused on the brutality and cruelty of federal immigration enforcement. While the broader "Abolish ICE" movement provides a backdrop, the specific outcry sparked by this incident centers on accusations of state-sanctioned violence, the lack of transparency in the federal investigation, and the impact of aggressive tactics on residential communities.

Core Protester Themes
Protest rhetoric and signage consistently emphasize the following semantic themes:

State Violence and "Terror": Community leaders and protesters have characterized ICE's actions as "state-sanctioned terror" and "cruelty," specifically citing the raiding of homes and "detaining human beings in cages" as evidence of a system prioritized on fear over justice.
Lack of Accountability: A primary demand across nationwide rallies—including those in San Antonio, Austin, and Boston—is for "justice and accountability" for Renee Good's death. Protesters have condemned the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) initial portrayal of Good as a "domestic terrorist," viewed as a "distortion of facts" to protect the agency.
Brutality Against Observers: Semantic analysis of statements from activist groups like Indivisible highlights that Good was a "legal observer" and unarmed citizen. Protesters view her killing as an example of law enforcement brutality against those exercising First Amendment rights.
Demand for Removal: Chants of "ICE Out" and "get the f--- out of Minneapolis" reflect a demand for the immediate withdrawal of federal agents from local communities, rather than a debate over specific immigration removal policies.

Comparison of Protest Rhetoric
The following table compares the semantic focus of recent demonstrations based on reports from January 2026.

Focus Area	Primary Protester Rhetoric	Semantic Indicators
Tactics & Treatment	Condemnation of "cruelty" and "aggressive enforcement" in neighborhoods.	"Terrorizing communities," "human cost," "cruelty is their addiction".
Legitimacy of Force	Rejection of "self-defense" claims; viewing the shooting as "reckless use of power".	"Execution," "recklessly using power," "shot to kill".
Community Impact	Fear for children's safety and disruption of community life.	"Grieving community," "neighbors watching for agents," "unsafe for children".

AI Query: Was Renee Good a member of "Indivisible highlights"?

No,
Renee Good was not a member of a group called "Indivisible highlights."
The term "highlights" in this context refers to social media summaries or news bulletins published by the organization Indivisible following her death. For example, a post titled "Indivisible - Highlights include..." mentioned her case while summarizing their bimonthly meetings and volunteer opportunities.
Her actual organizational affiliations and background are as follows:

Volunteer Activity: She was reportedly a volunteer in a local neighborhood patrol network (sometimes called "ICE Watch") that monitored and recorded federal immigration operations in south Minneapolis.
School Board: She served on the board of Southside Family Charter School.
Professional Background: She was a prize-winning poet, a writer, and a real estate professional.
Family Refutation: Her family, including her ex-husband and mother, have stated she was not a professional activist and had not participated in protests before the incident, describing her instead as a compassionate neighbor who was "terrified" during the encounter.

While Indivisible has been a major organizer of the "ICE Out For Good" nationwide weekend of action to honor her memory, they list her as a community member and victim rather than a staffer or member of their organization.

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