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how far is trump to go for greenland

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Nothing unrealistic about continuing the situation that has gone on since the early 50s.

Right now, Denmark provides 60% of Greenlands income/support with very little social or governmental intervention. The Greenland desire for independence is based more on emotion than on practicality. If cut totally free from all ties to Denmark, Greenland will have no choice but to lay themselves open to whatever commercial exploitation agreement they could get--and very quickly.

Right now, Greenland is protected from occupation by its weather and by NATO. Without NATO, they will have to enter into a defense agreement with some nation. The US is clearly not a reliable ally; even if US corporations gain all the commercial exploitation deals, US defense will be based on how freely corporations are able to exploit the island, not upon the island's actual defense needs.
 
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"All Greenlandic parties say they want independence, but differ on how, and when, to achieve it.."

Political rhetoric, yeah, but if they really, really wanted to abandon that money, they would have voted for it 25 years ago.
According to this article, the 1951 defense agreement gives the US much of what it needs as far as defense and a military presence

 
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According to this article, the 1951 defense agreement gives the US much of what it needs as far as defense and a military presence

Sort of.

The 1951 agreement still required agreement by both of the "two governments" before the US could make a serious change to the character of US forces on Greenland. In 2004, an update to the agreement brought Greenland in to make it tri-partate agreement.
 
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What do you mean "after Greenland"? "after Greenland" NATO will be dead and Putin will invade Estonia.
Even if NATO completely ceased to exist tomorrow, the EU also is a defensive alliance with provisions for military assistance in case of attack. It just never came up before because of NATO.
 
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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.
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"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO ⁠should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President ‌DJT."
 
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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.
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"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO ⁠should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President ‌DJT."
The stupidity of that tweet message is staggering.
1) The Nobel price is not given by the government, but by an independent committee. A stable genius should know that.
2) Foreign policy with the potential of deaths, wounded people and destruction of property is dictated by a bruised ego. A stable genius should be above such pettiness.
3) The only time article 5 has been invoked was on behalf of the USA. Any president should know that.
4) Norway and Denmark are two different countries. A 10 years old should know that.
5) Risking the NATO alliance that has brought the USA access to the biggest consumer market, is just plain a losing move without any benefit.
6) Sovereignty is important. You can't just grab a country by the minerals.
 
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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.
[my emphasis]

"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO ⁠should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President ‌DJT."

Perhaps they can consider a Nobel War Prize.
 
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Honestly, if a country can't stand alone against the might of America, Russia, or China, should they even be referred to as countries? They are just sources of resources and labor. They need to get in line and pay tribute.
 
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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.
[my emphasis]

"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO ⁠should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President ‌DJT."
Trump is willing go to war with our allies over his bruised ego, all the while Congress sits in silence.
 
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Ted Cruz Goes Hard to Bat for Trump On Greenland

“When it comes to Greenland, I want to commend President Trump,” Cruz told Bartiromo, “for being single-mindedly focused on America First, on U.S. economic interests, and U.S. national security interests.”

Cruz stated unequivocally, “I believe it is overwhelmingly in America’s national interest to acquire Greenland.”

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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.
[my emphasis]

"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO ⁠should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President ‌DJT."
The man is a petulant child.
 
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The stupidity of that tweet message is staggering.
1) The Nobel price is not given by the government, but by an independent committee. A stable genius should know that.
2) Foreign policy with the potential of deaths, wounded people and destruction of property is dictated by a bruised ego. A stable genius should be above such pettiness.
3) The only time article 5 has been invoked was on behalf of the USA. Any president should know that.
4) Norway and Denmark are two different countries. A 10 years old should know that.
5) Risking the NATO alliance that has brought the USA access to the biggest consumer market, is just plain a losing move without any benefit.
6) Sovereignty is important. You can't just grab a country by the minerals.
I've said it before, and will again, trumps a stable genius....the horses have left the barn.
 
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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace

U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.
[my emphasis]

"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO ⁠should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President ‌DJT."
This is the point, surely. This is the point we'll look back on where it was confirmed to everyone (and yet somehow still denied by a few) what we've known for a long time.

These aren't the words of a sane man.
 
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Broglio: US troops could refuse Greenland orders

The archbishop of the U.S. military services said U.S. troops in good conscience could refuse orders to invade an ally.​

Speaking to the BBC on Jan. 18. Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services said he “cannot see any circumstances” in which an American military operation to take control of Greenland or another ally’s territory could fulfill the criteria for a just war.

The archbishop also said administration rhetoric on Greenland “tarnishes the image of the United States.”

Asked whether he is concerned about Catholics serving in the military who might be asked to participate in a military operation to take control of Greenland, Broglio responded, “I am obviously worried, because they could be put in a situation where they’re being ordered to do something which is morally questionable.”

“And it would be very difficult for a soldier or a Marine or a sailor by himself to disobey an order such as that,” he continued. “But strictly speaking, he or she, within the realm of their own conscience, it would be morally acceptable to disobey that order. But that’s perhaps putting that individual in an untenable situation, and that’s my concern.”

In an interview earlier this month, Trump was asked about the limits of his power to act globally.

The president responded that the only thing that limits him is “my own morality,” also saying, “I don’t need international law.”
 
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Broglio: US troops could refuse Greenland orders

The archbishop of the U.S. military services said U.S. troops in good conscience could refuse orders to invade an ally.​

Speaking to the BBC on Jan. 18. Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services said he “cannot see any circumstances” in which an American military operation to take control of Greenland or another ally’s territory could fulfill the criteria for a just war.

The archbishop also said administration rhetoric on Greenland “tarnishes the image of the United States.”

Asked whether he is concerned about Catholics serving in the military who might be asked to participate in a military operation to take control of Greenland, Broglio responded, “I am obviously worried, because they could be put in a situation where they’re being ordered to do something which is morally questionable.”

“And it would be very difficult for a soldier or a Marine or a sailor by himself to disobey an order such as that,” he continued. “But strictly speaking, he or she, within the realm of their own conscience, it would be morally acceptable to disobey that order. But that’s perhaps putting that individual in an untenable situation, and that’s my concern.”

In an interview earlier this month, Trump was asked about the limits of his power to act globally.

The president responded that the only thing that limits him is “my own morality,” also saying, “I don’t need international law.”
Unleash the MAGAlithic rage machine:
* traitor
* Biden appointed
* Woke
* communist
* America hating
* TDS
 
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Unleash the MAGAlithic rage machine:
* traitor
* Biden appointed
* Woke
* communist
* America hating
* TDS
While some of that may apply, he was appointed by the Pope. As I understand it, although his office oversees Catholic military chaplains, he and his office are part of the Church and not part of the military.
 
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