"All Greenlandic parties say they want independence, but differ on how, and when, to achieve it.."
Political rhetoric, yeah, but if they really, really wanted to abandon that money, they would have voted for it 25 years ago.
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how far is trump to go for greenland
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Political rhetoric, yeah, but if they really, really wanted to abandon that money, they would have voted for it 25 years ago.
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According to this article, the 1951 defense agreement gives the US much of what it needs as far as defense and a military presence
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Even if NATO completely ceased to exist tomorrow, the EU also is a defensive alliance with provisions for military assistance in case of attack. It just never came up before because of NATO.
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Trump tells Norway he no longer feels obligation to think only of peace
U.S. President Donald Trump in a written message to Norway's prime minister said he no longer feels obligated "to think purely of Peace" because he had not been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and he repeated his demand for control of Greenland.[my emphasis]
"I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT."
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The stupidity of that tweet message is staggering.
1) The Nobel price is not given by the government, but by an independent committee. A stable genius should know that.
2) Foreign policy with the potential of deaths, wounded people and destruction of property is dictated by a bruised ego. A stable genius should be above such pettiness.
3) The only time article 5 has been invoked was on behalf of the USA. Any president should know that.
4) Norway and Denmark are two different countries. A 10 years old should know that.
5) Risking the NATO alliance that has brought the USA access to the biggest consumer market, is just plain a losing move without any benefit.
6) Sovereignty is important. You can't just grab a country by the minerals.
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I wonder if Trump has the minerals to continue on his path.
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Honestly, if a country can't stand alone against the might of America, Russia, or China, should they even be referred to as countries? They are just sources of resources and labor. They need to get in line and pay tribute.
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Trump is willing go to war with our allies over his bruised ego, all the while Congress sits in silence.
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Ted Cruz Goes Hard to Bat for Trump On Greenland
“When it comes to Greenland, I want to commend President Trump,” Cruz told Bartiromo, “for being single-mindedly focused on America First, on U.S. economic interests, and U.S. national security interests.”Cruz stated unequivocally, “I believe it is overwhelmingly in America’s national interest to acquire Greenland.”
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The man is a petulant child.
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I've said it before, and will again, trumps a stable genius....the horses have left the barn.
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This is the point, surely. This is the point we'll look back on where it was confirmed to everyone (and yet somehow still denied by a few) what we've known for a long time.
These aren't the words of a sane man.
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Broglio: US troops could refuse Greenland orders
The archbishop of the U.S. military services said U.S. troops in good conscience could refuse orders to invade an ally.
Speaking to the BBC on Jan. 18. Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for the Military Services said he “cannot see any circumstances” in which an American military operation to take control of Greenland or another ally’s territory could fulfill the criteria for a just war.The archbishop also said administration rhetoric on Greenland “tarnishes the image of the United States.”
Asked whether he is concerned about Catholics serving in the military who might be asked to participate in a military operation to take control of Greenland, Broglio responded, “I am obviously worried, because they could be put in a situation where they’re being ordered to do something which is morally questionable.”
“And it would be very difficult for a soldier or a Marine or a sailor by himself to disobey an order such as that,” he continued. “But strictly speaking, he or she, within the realm of their own conscience, it would be morally acceptable to disobey that order. But that’s perhaps putting that individual in an untenable situation, and that’s my concern.”
In an interview earlier this month, Trump was asked about the limits of his power to act globally.
The president responded that the only thing that limits him is “my own morality,” also saying, “I don’t need international law.”
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Unleash the MAGAlithic rage machine:
* traitor
* Biden appointed
* Woke
* communist
* America hating
* TDS
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While some of that may apply, he was appointed by the Pope. As I understand it, although his office oversees Catholic military chaplains, he and his office are part of the Church and not part of the military.
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The technical legalities are iffy for troops.
An illegal order is an order that requires a soldier to break a law--a law that's applicable to that soldier. If the law is not applicable to that soldier, it's technically not illegal to order the soldier to break it.
So, there is a 2023 law that prohibits the president from withdrawing from NATO without Congressional approval. But there is no law explicitly making it illegal for a soldier to be deployed to Greenland, despite the fact that deploying him to Greenland would result in the US no longer being a member of NATO. That is to say, there is no law by which soldiers themselves can be prosecuted for being in Greenland. So, it would not be illegal for them to obey such an order.
And whether the 2023 law is powerful enough to prevent the president from giving the order would have to go to court. The bad thing about that is that the Congress historically lets the president get away with anything he does with the military, and the court historically shies away from how the president controls the military.
So...nobody has a clear legal requirement to tell the president, "No" to a deployment to Greenland. Or anywhere, actually.
The generals would have to respect the spirit of the intent of Congress. Knowing that the intent of Congress is to keep the US in NATO, and knowing that putting troops in Greenland is tantamount to the US withdrawing from NATO, the generals would have to be willing to resign en masse in respect to the spirit of the law, not to the letter of the law. They would have to do what Admiral Holsey did with respect to Venezuela.
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