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said church, those were not churches. for the first 1100 years there was no concept of church marriage within Christianity, it was a secular thing, just abortion wasn't a thing the church cared about for a long time. This whole, "marriage is a christian thing." is just nonsense and revisionist history ignoring countries that had nothing to do with judiasm and such having forms of marriage.
Those are our examples. Even some of the disciples were married
 
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Those are our examples. Even some of the disciples were married
yes, but paul also spoke out against marriage and sex, marriage usd to be a secular event till 1100's least within Christianity. Christians got married, but you have never needed to be christian to get married, or even have anything to do with Christianity. Asians were getting married long before Christianity, so were native americans and others. CHristians have no more claim over marriage then anyone else, and no more get to decide what is or isn't marriage.
 
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Those are our examples. Even some of the disciples were married
though if you want to go back to the marriage of abraham and moses we can go back to having multiple wives and purly a transactional thing, and not about love. Heck just go back to marriage a few hundred years ago.
 
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yes, but paul also spoke out against marriage and sex, marriage usd to be a secular event till 1100's least within Christianity. Christians got married, but you have never needed to be christian to get married, or even have anything to do with Christianity. Asians were getting married long before Christianity, so were native americans and others. CHristians have no more claim over marriage then anyone else, and no more get to decide what is or isn't marriage.
I'm not denying that
 
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though if you want to go back to the marriage of abraham and moses we can go back to having multiple wives and purly a transactional thing, and not about love. Heck just go back to marriage a few hundred years ago.
It's still a transactional thing in some cultures
 
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though if you want to go back to the marriage of abraham and moses we can go back to having multiple wives and purly a transactional thing, and not about love. Heck just go back to marriage a few hundred years ago.
Well the whole "marriage is about love" came about because of the French in the 1200s (if I remember my timeline correct), so of course the manly USA should abandon something that came about because of those cheese eating surrender monkeys. ;)
 
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Well the whole "marriage is about love" came about because of the French in the 1200s (if I remember my timeline correct), so of course the manly USA should abandon something that came about because of those cheese eating surrender monkeys. ;)
maybe call it freedom marriage :> No love, just money and for kids!.
 
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Of course scripture matters. Marriage between a man and a woman is only valid within Christianity, Judaism and Islam. What does wife mean then...who or what are they married under? Are they some pagan religion. You mean wife in the non-religious, not biblical sense? So what I think does not matter...only what they think...gotcha
This isn’t the thread you think it is.
 
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Oh, so you're one of *those* people...

If by "those people" you're referring to people who understand that westernized culture and western democracies are superior to other systems, and it's best not to water that down by importing large numbers of people who don't appreciate that, but merely want access to the economic perks that are outgrowths of the aforementioned westernized democratic and capitalistic systems.

Then yes, I'm one of "those" people.

If you're trying to suggest that I'm some sort of "alt-right" type, then no, I'm not one of those people.


If you work long and hard to throw the best cookout on the block, and I've done nothing but trash talk you and do things that run afoul of your values at almost every turn for the last year, but then I show up uninvited at your gathering because you have some tasty looking steaks going on the grill...

Would you be particularly persuaded by someone saying "Now now, it'd be rude to tell Rob to go home...after all, he's already here, and he did refill napkin dispenser, and a few of your other guests seem to be getting along with him okay...he even opened up that nice daycare/learing center in your garage"?
 
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Accurate. No need to disparage the womans relationship to her spouse.
Regardless, some people think marriage is only between one man and one woman and don’t view same sex unions as real marriages. However, it’s irrelevant because it’s not related to the thread at hand. That’s all.

It’s off topic, if anything.
 
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Scripture doesn't matter. Christianity doesn't have exclusive rights to marriage. She's her actual wife, no matter what any religious text says. That's the reality of it.
Whatever. Her lifestyle, her choice. Still off topic, regardless.
 
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If by "those people" you're referring to people who understand that westernized culture and western democracies are superior to other systems, and it's best not to water that down by importing large numbers of people who don't appreciate that, but merely want access to the economic perks that are outgrowths of the aforementioned westernized democratic and capitalistic systems.

Then yes, I'm one of "those" people.
I can tell.
If you're trying to suggest that I'm some sort of "alt-right" type, then no, I'm not one of those people.
You are swimming in the same waters of fear that "outsiders" will change your culture and society. Have a little more faith in the things and systems you value.
If you work long and hard to throw the best cookout on the block, and I've done nothing but trash talk you and do things that run afoul of your values at almost every turn for the last year, but then I show up uninvited at your gathering because you have some tasty looking steaks going on the grill...

Would you be particularly persuaded by someone saying "Now now, it'd be rude to tell Rob to go home...after all, he's already here, and he did refill napkin dispenser, and a few of your other guests seem to be getting along with him okay...he even opened up that nice daycare/learing center in your garage"?
I hope you are OK, because that was not comprehensible. I think you may need a reboot.
 
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If ICE deported a million undocumented people, but were polite about it, would the people who are complaining the loudest be cool with it? Or would there still be a lot of tension?
Then the focus would be on the policy, the state of the law, and management, not on the operational procedures of the agency implementing the law.
 
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Actually, he did stop and stand there.
No he didn't. He was moving as he was taping. Slow motion does not take into consideration time and movement unless you actually stamp it. In the position the officer is in when the car comes at him, he is involved in movement. You know the guy isnt some sort of cat right. Unless he practices drawing while dodging, his physiological response isn't going to be the same.
Another point to consider is - Which one was the kill shot? The second and third shots were fired through the driver's side window, when he was well out of harm's way.
Ive already addressed this. The officer was HIT by the car and in the short time it took to fire the rounds he would not have been physiologically able to assess and stop all action in that time frame.

You are acting as if he's some sort of super man with super reflexes. And every action he took and could have taken could have been recognized decided and acted upon within a second.

Its armchair quarterbacking at its finest.
 
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Yes they are, and no they don't.
You are incorrect.
The agent in this case was able to avoid serious injury by getting out of the vehicle's path.
Yes he was thank God, but he had no way of knowing that at the time. There was always the possibility that he could have been knocked over, or slipped on the icy street as he was hit or trying to move and then gotten run over. There are several scenarios where he could have been severely injured. He didn't have enough time to assess all the various and most likely outcomes based upon various responses from him. All he saw was a car coming at him, and he responded. And then he was hit.
 
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I remember the last time they said that and the time before that. They said it about my ancestors many years ago. It was nonsense then and it is nonsense now.
Maybe when it was said back then it was the sign of things to come. Usually there is some justified concern. I would say post war was a golden age of immigration. Immigrants like the Italians, Greeks and other European nations and from Britain integrated well.

But in later times immigrants were brought in on mass from nations in conflict and they were not integrated. In most recent times this got completely out of hand due to ideological reasons. Along with slack border security.

Now we are seeing the end results. This is not nonsense. The violence in the streets is not nonsense. The many nations now reacting and tightening up immigration is not nonsense. The increased ideologically based terror is not nonsense but reality.
 
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Some people who were “born in the wrong place” are in my country without proper paperwork?
Oh noes! Whatever shall I do?
What does "some people are born in the wrong place mean" ?

Are you saying because they were born in the wrong place that they can then go to another nation without papers and live there ?
 
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