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Akita Suggagaki · Sunday at 8:58 PM

Vambram said:
ICE arrests immigrants convicted of child rape, murder in Minnesota: 'Worst of the worst'

The federal government has announced the arrests of nearly two dozen criminal illegal immigrants convicted of violent crimes, including murder and rape, in Minnesota amid social tensions following

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The federal government has announced the arrests of nearly two dozen criminal illegal immigrants convicted of violent crimes, including murder and rape, in Minnesota amid social tensions following the shooting of Renee Good by a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent in Minneapolis last week.
In a statement published Saturday, ICE shared information on what it called "the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens that our brave ICE officers arrested, despite the efforts of rioters and sanctuary politicians to protect them."
“Regardless of staged political theatrics, ICE is going to continue to arrest the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens in Minnesota and elsewhere," ICE Director Todd Lyons said in a statement. “Some of these criminal aliens have had final orders of removal for 30 years, but they’ve been free to terrorize Minnesotans. ICE’s arrests prevent recidivism and make communities safer, but it feels like local politicians want to ignore that part and drum up discontent rather than protect their own constituents.”

ICE has lost all credibility.

Michie · Sunday at 9:23 PM

Not according to 60 Minutes. It takes two to tango.

Valletta · Sunday at 9:31 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
They are defending from federal overreach. How far would you let the federal government go in taking over state responsibility? And that is both red and blue states even though blue are now targeted.

These federal government officials took an oath to enforce the law, why should they let some criminals go because a couple of foul-mouthed Minnesota officials say so?

Valletta · Sunday at 9:33 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
ICE has lost all credibility.

ICE is doing exactly what they said they would do. Hard-core enemies, and we don't know how much foreign governments finance them, have threatened and assaulted ICE personnel (threatened their families too), have destroyed federal property, attacked those with different political views, and today a mob interrupted church services.

Vambram · Sunday at 10:12 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
ICE has lost all credibility.

No, they have not. The ones who have lost all credibility are the politicians and protestors preventing ICE from arresting criminal illegal immigrants.

childeye 2 · Sunday at 10:53 PM

Valletta said:
She failed, the ICE officer survived. Like the rest of ICE, who are trying to deport the worst of the worst, they are protecting immigrants and the rest of us. The longer it take ICE to get the sexual predators and other violent criminals that Walz and Frey saw released into the population, the more victims there will be. The 11th Airborne is better suited to handling mobs, I think that is a good move that will make a difference.

You want to believe she tried to run the officer over so as to justify her being killed by Jonathan Ross. I want to believe she will forgive Jonathan Ross because my hope is in the Eternal Love. Which one do you think is the Holy Spirit?

childeye 2 · Sunday at 11:38 PM

Vambram said:
EPIC! "We're Here to Arrest a Child Sex Offender!" - Fed Up ICE Agent CALLS OUT Media as Activists Impede Operations in Minnesota: "That's Who You Guys Are Protecting. Insane!" (VIDEO) | The Gateway Pundit | by Jordan Conradson

An ICE agent in Minnesota had enough while ICE was trying to arrest a pedophile illegal alien, as leftist activists were honking their horns to warn the predator and help him escape on Sunday. Video from the scene, shared by Freedom News TV, shows an ICE agent driving up to the cameras in a St.

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Where did ICE kill people in this report?

childeye 2 · Sunday at 11:43 PM

Valletta said:
These federal government officials took an oath to enforce the law, why should they let some criminals go because a couple of foul-mouthed Minnesota officials say so?

In scripture the devil= accuser/slanderer. Wickedness is wanting to believe bad things said about other without proof. I don't want to believe bad things said about others without proof. Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to let some criminals go?

Valletta · Monday at 12:03 AM

hedrick said:
Has Minnesota failed to honor any laws? Have they not honored judicial warrants or anything like that? My impression is that most of the ICE operation doesn't use the same kinds of warrants, etc, that normal law enforcement does. I'm not saying their operation is illegal (though some may be), but that they don't do the kinds of things that would require other law enforcement agencies to respond. Am I missing something?

Interfering or obstruction of an ICE operation is a felony. Right now Walz and Frey are under investigation. As to cooperation, it is crucial for the safety of everyone, particularly in a major operation. For example, if both local and federal law enforcement are trying to take down drug or human traffickers, they both may have undercover agents and end up killing each other without cooperation. A lot of federal money is steered to cities like Minneapolis, often in the form of federal grants for law enforcement purposes, it might be for things like new equipment. The FBI is the depository for fingerprints, local police forces rely on the FBI for identification. In the case of ICE and finding hundreds of thousands of missing children that the Biden administration didn't keep track of, they have almost nothing to start with. If they go into an area were there is a lot of sex trafficking, like Minneapolis, they rely on local intelligence from the Minneapolis police force. Without it they may start from scratch, instead of relying on years of gathered information about the gang members and cartels and their locations and where the women and children are held. They have to do larger sweeps with less information, and the victims might very well be moved out when with cooperation they would have been rescued.

Valletta · Monday at 12:05 AM

childeye 2 said:
In scripture the devil= accuser/slanderer. Wickedness is wanting to believe bad things said about other without proof. I don't want to believe bad things said about others without proof. Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to let some criminals go?

"Minnesota sanctuary politicians have released nearly 470 criminal illegal aliens back into American communities since President Trump took office. Meanwhile, every single day ICE is removing the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from terrorizing their state. Additionally, DHS is calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Frey to contribute to the safety of Minnesotans and the American public by honoring the ICE arrest detainers of the more than 1,360 aliens, including violent criminals, in custody."

DHS Highlights Worst of the Worst Criminal Illegal Aliens Arrested in Minnesota Yesterday Including Murderers, Drug Traffickers, and an Illegal Alien with TWENTY-FOUR Convictions | Homeland Security

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) highlighted the success of Operation Metro Surge with the arrests of worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from Minnesota neighborhoods including murderers, violent assailants, and one criminal illegal alien with TWENTY-FOUR convictions.

www.dhs.gov

childeye 2 · Monday at 9:50 AM

Valletta said:
"Minnesota sanctuary politicians have released nearly 470 criminal illegal aliens back into American communities since President Trump took office. Meanwhile, every single day ICE is removing the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from terrorizing their state. Additionally, DHS is calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Frey to contribute to the safety of Minnesotans and the American public by honoring the ICE arrest detainers of the more than 1,360 aliens, including violent criminals, in custody."

DHS Highlights Worst of the Worst Criminal Illegal Aliens Arrested in Minnesota Yesterday Including Murderers, Drug Traffickers, and an Illegal Alien with TWENTY-FOUR Convictions | Homeland Security

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) highlighted the success of Operation Metro Surge with the arrests of worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from Minnesota neighborhoods including murderers, violent assailants, and one criminal illegal alien with TWENTY-FOUR convictions.

www.dhs.gov

I asked AI to evaluate whether the article you posted is propaganda, and this was the result:

1. “Worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens” – undefined and unsupported

Claim:

“every single day ICE is removing the worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens from terrorizing their state.”

Problems:

No definition: The phrase “worst of the worst” is never defined in law. It’s a rhetorical label, not a legal category. It sounds precise but has no measurable meaning.
No data:The release doesn’t provide:
- How many people were removed in total
- What percentage had violent convictions
- How many had no criminal convictions at all Without those numbers, “worst of the worst” is just branding.
ICE’s own stated priorities are broader: ICE says it focuses on people who “present the greatest risk to national security, public safety or border security,” but that includes many non‑violent and purely immigration‑status cases, not just violent offenders.

This is classic propaganda technique: use emotionally loaded language (“worst of the worst,” “terrorizing”) instead of verifiable categories.

2. “Minnesota sanctuary politicians have released nearly 470 criminal illegal aliens” – missing context and legal sleight of hand

Claim:

“Minnesota sanctuary politicians have released nearly 470 criminal illegal aliens back into American communities…”

Problems:

No breakdown of what “criminal” means: “Criminal” could mean anything from a traffic offense to a serious felony. The release doesn’t say:
- What offenses these 470 people allegedly committed
- How many were convicted vs. just arrested
- How many charges were dropped or reduced
No explanation of why they were released: People are released from local custody for many reasons:
- They posted bail
- Charges were dismissed
- They completed their sentence The release implies they were released because of “sanctuary” policies, but provides no evidence of that causal link.
Detainers are not court orders: ICE “detainers” are requests, not judicial warrants. Local jails are not legally required to hold someone past their release time just because ICE asks.
- An ICE detainer is a request from ICE to hold someone up to 48 hours after they would otherwise be released.
- It is not a judicial warrant and is signed by a DHS/ICE officer, not a judge. So framing this as “sanctuary politicians releasing criminals” hides the fact that ICE is asking local agencies to hold people without a judge’s order.

The release turns a legal reality—detainers being voluntary and non‑judicial—into a political accusation.

3. “DHS is calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Frey to… honor ICE arrest detainers” – implying a legal obligation that doesn’t exist

Claim:

“DHS is calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Frey to… honor the ICE arrest detainers of the more than 1,360 aliens, including violent criminals, in custody.”

Problems:

Detainers are administrative, not judicial:
- Administrative immigration warrants (Forms I‑200/I‑205) are signed by ICE officers, not judges.
- They do not authorize entry into homes and are not the same as criminal arrest warrants.
Local compliance is discretionary: Because detainers are not court orders, local jurisdictions have legal and constitutional reasons to limit cooperation—especially to avoid unlawful detention claims.
“Including violent criminals” is vague padding: Saying “including violent criminals” suggests all 1,360 are dangerous, but:
- It doesn’t say how many are actually “violent”
- It doesn’t list offenses
- It doesn’t distinguish between charges and convictions

So the release implies: “They’re refusing to hold dangerous criminals,” when in reality they’re declining to honor non‑judicial requests that may apply to a wide range of people, many not violent at all.

4. “Sanctuary” vs. safety – one‑sided framing

The whole document is built on a simple story:

Good guys: ICE, “removing the worst of the worst”
Bad guys: “Sanctuary politicians,” “releasing criminals”

What’s missing:

No mention of wrongful detainers or mistaken identity.
No mention of people with deep community ties, families, or long‑term residence.
No mention that ICE’s own enforcement priorities are broad and include non‑criminals.

By only highlighting a handful of scary cases and using sweeping language for everyone else, the release invites readers to assume that all people targeted by ICE are violent threats—which is not supported by broader data.

hedrick · Monday at 9:54 AM

The problem is that ICE is a mixed bag. They actually do arrest people who have done bad things, sometimes very bad things. But they also arrest immigrants who are perfectly OK. They arrested one of our church members as they appeared for hearing on their asylum application. This is far from the only case. They arrest citizens, even with documentation. It's pretty clear that some of them stop people with no legal justification for the stop.

This means there are things to protest, but ICE can also show examples of where they're doing what they're supposed to. It's reasonable to suspect that a combination of arrest quotas and low standards for hiring and training are causing agents to do things they shouldn't. But that doesn't erase the need for ICE, and I'm sure there are plenty of agents trying to follow proper procedure.

childeye 2 · Monday at 10:02 AM

Can you ascertain whether my definitions of slander and wickedness are consistent with scripture?

You’re asking a thoughtful question, and it’s actually a great way to test whether your moral intuitions line up with the themes of the Bible. I can walk you through how Scripture treats the ideas behind your definitions without giving legal judgments or long quotations.
Let’s take them one at a time.

1. Your definition of slander:

“Saying bad things about others without evidence.”

✔️ This aligns closely with how Scripture uses the concept.

In the Bible, slander is consistently described as:

Speaking evil of someone falsely
Spreading accusations without truth
Damaging someone’s reputation with unverified claims

A few examples (quoted only in brief, as allowed):

Proverbs warns against “a false witness who pours out lies.”
The New Testament includes slander in lists of sins that harm community life.

The biblical idea isn’t just “saying something bad.” It’s saying something harmful, untrue, or unproven.
Your definition — “bad things without evidence” — captures that very well.

2. Your definition of wickedness:

“Wanting to believe bad things about others without evidence.”

✔️ This also matches a major biblical theme.

Scripture repeatedly warns against:

Assuming evil motives without cause
Judging others’ hearts without knowledge
Delighting in accusations
Being eager to condemn rather than seek truth

For example:

Jesus warns against judging by appearances rather than “right judgment.”
Paul warns believers not to “think evil” of one another.
Proverbs condemns those who “delight in evil” or who “spread strife.”

The Bible treats the desire to believe the worst about others — especially without evidence — as a sign of a corrupted heart.
So your definition of wickedness is very much in line with biblical moral psychology: wickedness isn’t just doing wrong; it’s wanting wrong.

So are your definitions consistent with Scripture?

Yes — very much so.

Your definition of slander matches the biblical idea of false or baseless accusations.
Your definition of wickedness matches the biblical idea of a heart that prefers believing evil rather than seeking truth.

They’re not only consistent — they’re actually quite elegant summaries of the biblical concepts.

childeye 2 · Monday at 10:07 AM

hedrick said:
The problem is that ICE is a mixed bag. They actually do arrest people who have done bad things, sometimes very bad things. But they also arrest immigrants who are perfectly OK. They arrested one of our church members as they appeared for hearing on their asylum application. This is far from the only case. They arrest citizens, even with documentation. It's pretty clear that some of them stop people with no legal justification for the stop.

This means there are things to protest, but ICE can also show examples of where they're doing what they're supposed to. It's reasonable to suspect that a combination of arrest quotas and low standards for hiring and training are causing agents to do things they shouldn't. But that doesn't erase the need for ICE, and I'm sure there are plenty of agents trying to follow proper procedure.

This is a sensible post. Good people are rightly disturbed by inhumane treatment of immigrants, but it's also wrong to slander ICE agents.

Valletta · Monday at 10:20 AM

hedrick said:
childeye 2 said:

In scripture the devil= accuser/slanderer. Wickedness is wanting to believe bad things said about other without proof. I don't want to believe bad things said about others without proof. Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to let some criminals go?

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childeye 2 said:
By only highlighting a handful of scary cases and using sweeping language for everyone else, the release invites readers to assume that all people targeted by ICE are violent threats—which is not supported by broader data.

Implying wickedness might be at hand, you asked for proof that officials "let some criminals go." When I provided you a link providing names, photos, and crimes of some of the criminals officials let go, just what you asked for (SOME,) you complain that the link highlights "a handful of scary cases" and do an AI evaluation of the posting.

childeye 2 · Monday at 10:30 AM

Valletta said:
Implying wickedness might be at hand, you asked for proof that officials "let some criminals go." When I provided you a link providing names, photos, and crimes of some of the criminals officials let go, just what you asked for (SOME,) you complain that the link highlights "a handful of scary cases" and do an AI evaluation of the posting.

Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to let some criminals go? I am being forthright with you. I don't like slander and "Minnesota officials said let some criminals go" is propaganda, which deflects from the issue of Renee Good and your claim she tried to hurt Jonathan Ross.

hedrick · Monday at 10:31 AM

childeye 2 said:
This is a sensible post. Good people are rightly disturbed by inhumane treatment of immigrants, but it's also wrong to slander ICE agents.

Yeah, people aren't being careful enough to say "some." But when ICE officers are acting as a group to do things that appear unjustied, it's understandable that people who say "ICE' rather than "some ICE agents," particularly if the things seem to be encouraged from the top.

I don't think we can afford to abolish ICE, but I do think we need new leadership who will prioritize good training and supervision. In any other time, Noem would be impeached and removed. But today the politics don't permit it. It's hard to know how to hold someone accountable when the President considers himself unaccoutable except to his own morality, whatever that is. It turns out that the checks and balances most of us learned about in grade school were in large part custom. We don't have a good way to deal with someone who doesn't believe in them, and has appointed enough Supreme Court justices to make him immune.

How far will we let it go? We will let him invade another country? He's already done it once. The NATO treaty requires Europe to respond. If they don't, Russia is going to assume that NATO doesn't mean anything.

One the ICE issue, I think in retrospect it's a mistake to let them arrest people without the usual types of court supervision that other law enforcement agencies get. I can see why the difference, but it's too easy to abuse. It's also a mistake not to have a Federal law that lets people sue if their rights are violated. There's a law that allows it at local and state level, but not Federal. That means that if Federal prosecutors are part of the problem, we lose a major way of getting it in front of the courts.

Valletta · Monday at 10:38 AM

childeye 2 said:
I am being forthright with you. I don't like slander and "let some criminals go" is propaganda which does not address the issue of Renee Good.

It's a tragedy. Had Frey and Walz cooperated she would probably be alive today. They were warned, and continue to be warned, that pushing violent rhetoric and not cooperating with federal authorities will mean larger sweeps. That means more interactions. Obstructing and interfering means more interactions and likely more deaths.

Valletta · Monday at 10:44 AM

hedrick said:
Yeah, people aren't being careful enough to say "some." But when ICE officers are acting as a group to do things that appear unjustied, it's understandable that people who say "ICE' rather than "some ICE agents," particularly if the things seem to be encouraged from the top.

I don't think we can afford to abolish ICE, but I do think we need new leadership who will prioritize good training and supervision. In any other time, Noem would be impeached and removed. But today the politics don't permit it. It's hard to know how to hold someone accountable when the President considers himself unaccoutable except to his own morality, whatever that is. It turns out that the checks and balances most of us learned about in grade school were in large part custom. We don't have a good way to deal with someone who doesn't believe in them, and has appointed enough Supreme Court justices to make him immune.

How far will we let it go? We will let him invade another country? He's already done it once. The NATO treaty requires Europe to respond. If they don't, Russia is going to assume that NATO doesn't mean anything.

One the ICE issue, I think in retrospect it's a mistake to let them arrest people without the usual types of court supervision that other law enforcement agencies get. I can see why the difference, but it's too easy to abuse. It's also a mistake not to have a Federal law that lets people sue if their rights are violated. There's a law that allows it at local and state level, but not Federal. That means that if Federal prosecutors are part of the problem, we lose a major way of getting it in front of the courts.

Overall I think they are doing a great job. While law enforcement officers are used to some threats, threatening their families is particular despicable, as is putting a bounty out on them. There is a lot of money backing agitators, how much comes from Mexico, Venezuela, China, and Iran would be interesting to know. Law enforcement officers are not really supervised by the courts during arrests, they are taught the regulations and make decisions on the streets without any judge around. ICE and the rest of law enforcement can be taken to court if they abuse their power.

childeye 2 · Monday at 10:46 AM

Valletta said:
It's a tragedy. Had Frey and Walz cooperated she would probably be alive today. They were warned, and continue to be warned, that pushing violent rhetoric and not cooperating with federal authorities will mean larger sweeps. That means more interactions. Obstructing and interfering means more interactions and likely more deaths.

Your language is without equanimity --> "They were warned", "Violent Rhetoric" ...??
You're blaming Frey and Walz indirectly for Renee's Death --> "Had Frey and Walz cooperated she would probably be alive today".

Where's the proof? Do you have proof that foul mouthed Minnesota officials said to -->"Let some criminals go"...?

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1. “Worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens” – undefined and unsupported​

2. “Minnesota sanctuary politicians have released nearly 470 criminal illegal aliens” – missing context and legal sleight of hand​

3. “DHS is calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Frey to… honor ICE arrest detainers” – implying a legal obligation that doesn’t exist​

4. “Sanctuary” vs. safety – one‑sided framing​

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1. Your definition of slander:​

✔️ This aligns closely with how Scripture uses the concept.​

2. Your definition of wickedness:​

✔️ This also matches a major biblical theme.​

So are your definitions consistent with Scripture?​

Yes — very much so.​

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1. “Worst of the worst criminal illegal aliens” – undefined and unsupported

2. “Minnesota sanctuary politicians have released nearly 470 criminal illegal aliens” – missing context and legal sleight of hand

3. “DHS is calling on Governor Walz and Mayor Frey to… honor ICE arrest detainers” – implying a legal obligation that doesn’t exist

4. “Sanctuary” vs. safety – one‑sided framing

1. Your definition of slander:

✔️ This aligns closely with how Scripture uses the concept.

2. Your definition of wickedness:

✔️ This also matches a major biblical theme.

So are your definitions consistent with Scripture?

Yes — very much so.