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California Billionaires Are Leaving the State in Response to Proposed Wealth Tax

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i think that you’re hung-up on the “socialist” because what our government does is a socialist endeavor. It takes in taxes and uses those dollars (and whatever we’ve “borrowed”), to provide service to it’s citizens, but that doesn’t mean the entire economy can be manipulated by, (say), withholding Congressionally authorized spending, to this (or that) state. That would be “bad”.
That is poor understanding. Taxes are from income not from wealth so it is not a redistribution of wealth like in socialism.
 
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Yes it should. Income inequality is bad for any society.
No it shouldn’t. The government can not fix income inequality. Heck, we don’t even have a working government right now.
 
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We’re certainly “good for it” on our $39-T debt, but do we really hold the “moral-high ground”?
The US does not have a socialist government. Moral high ground? Doubt it.
 
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Yes it should. Income inequality is bad for any society.
America has traditionally believed in opportunity and despite our past shortcomings, it is a valid & best way for us. Europe leftists trace their motivations to the French Revolution & the guillotine.
 
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My question is - once those horrible billionaires leave California - how are they going to fund their budget?
It's not like the billionaires were paying taxes in the first place.
 
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It's not like the billionaires were paying taxes in the first place.
In 2022 the top 1% paid 22.4% of all income taxes paid and the top 50% paid 97% of all income taxes. So yes they are paying taxes.

 
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In 2022 the top 1% paid 22.4% of all income taxes paid and the top 50% paid 97% of all income taxes. So yes they are paying taxes.

There are a lot of 1%ers that aren't billionaires. About 300,000 1%ers or so in California alone.
 
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There are a lot of 1%ers that aren't billionaires. About 300,000 1%ers or so in California alone.
And what does that prove? If such a small percentage of the US population is paying a quarter of all the taxes then it follows that they are actually paying taxes.
 
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And what does that prove? If such a small percentage of the US population is paying a quarter of all the taxes then it follows that they are actually paying taxes.
No, what it says is that the billionaires are a very tiny proportion of the 1%ers, so you statistic about how much federal tax 1%ers pay tells us nothing about how much billionaires pay in California taxes.
 
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No, what it says is that the billionaires are a very tiny proportion of the 1%ers, so you statistic about how much federal tax 1%ers pay tells us nothing about how much billionaires pay in California taxes.
They might be a small percentage of the 1% but the 1% in total pay a quarter of the taxes. Can you quantify your assertions that they don’t pay taxes? So far you have no evidence to support your premise,
 
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They might be a small percentage of the 1% but the 1% in total pay a quarter of the taxes. Can you quantify your assertions that they don’t pay taxes? So far you have no evidence to support your premise,
The 1% are irrelevant. They are not billionaires.

Billionaires are rather notorious for their tax dodges. Remember that "billionaire" refers to their net assets. Most of those exist as unrealized gains or valuation of assets purchased or created at much lower input cost. They have other tricks like borrowing money against their assets and spending that money which isn't even "income" under traditional tax evaluations.

 
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California is proposing a WEALTH tax - 5% of their personal WEALTH - not income tax - but tax on their possessions.

AI -

What the plan is​

  • It’s a ballot initiative being circulated to qualify for the November 2026 election.
  • The core idea is to impose a one-time wealth tax on individuals with at least $1 billion in net worth who are California residents as of January 1, 2026.
  • The proposed rate is 5 % of net worth (before debt) on those qualifying individuals.
Who it affects​
  • Only a very small group — roughly 200 ultra-wealthy residents in California — would be subject to this tax.
  • Net worth includes most assets like stocks, business holdings, and other investments, but excludes directly held real estate, pensions, and retirement accounts.
How it would be paid​
  • Although it’s a one-time tax, taxpayers would have the option to spread payments over 5 years (with additional charges for doing so).
  • The state could require asset valuations and appraisals to determine taxable wealth.

They are not proposing and income tax - but a tax on their WEALTH - their investments and real estate that they don't live in.​


Look at the numbers:

285 Billionaires and they think that penalizing them 5% of their earned wealth - they are going to raise 100 Billion dollars -
 
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California is proposing a WEALTH tax - 5% of their personal WEALTH - not income tax - but tax on their possessions.
I KNOW that. You've been quoting how much tax they HAVE BEEN paying, not how much they are avoiding.
 
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I KNOW that. You've been quoting how much tax they HAVE BEEN paying, not how much they are avoiding.
So feel free to present how much tax they are avoiding! Stop whining and crying about what I post - prove me wrong.
 
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@Hans Blaster

I KNOW that. You've been quoting how much tax they HAVE BEEN paying, not how much they are avoiding.


Here is every post I have made on this thread:

They are redistributing the wealth. From California to other states.

psst..... My comment said they are leaving - FWIW - with their money -

My question is - once those horrible billionaires leave California - how are they going to fund their budget?

California is proposing a WEALTH tax - 5% of their personal WEALTH - not income tax - but tax on their possessions.

AI -

What the plan is​

  • It’s a ballot initiative being circulated to qualify for the November 2026 election.
  • The core idea is to impose a one-time wealth tax on individuals with at least $1 billion in net worth who are California residents as of January 1, 2026.
  • The proposed rate is 5 % of net worth (before debt) on those qualifying individuals.
Who it affects​

  • Only a very small group — roughly 200 ultra-wealthy residents in California — would be subject to this tax.
  • Net worth includes most assets like stocks, business holdings, and other investments, but excludes directly held real estate, pensions, and retirement accounts.
How it would be paid​

  • Although it’s a one-time tax, taxpayers would have the option to spread payments over 5 years (with additional charges for doing so).
  • The state could require asset valuations and appraisals to determine taxable wealth.

They are not proposing and income tax - but a tax on their WEALTH - their investments and real estate that they don't live in.​


Look at the numbers:

285 Billionaires and they think that penalizing them 5% of their earned wealth - they are going to raise 100 Billion dollars -
Show me where I have ONE time I have said anything about how much tax they are paying.

Let's at least be intellectually honest -

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I don't care - stop whining about every little thing I do and accusing me of things I have not done.

Debate me - use facts - put me on ignore - report me if I break a rule - just don't nag me
 
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That is poor understanding. Taxes are from income not from wealth so it is not a redistribution of wealth like in socialism.

Taxes can be/are generated from both income and wealth, it just depends on what taxes are applied in what jurisdictions.

There are various kinds of wealth taxes as well. There's a simple wealth tax of direct taxation on individuals/funds/trusts/businesses based on their asset values (real estate being the main one), and then there are things like levies or capital gains taxes.

There's also indirect wealth taxes like inheritance taxes, estate taxes and savings/deposit taxes. Consumption taxes are also considered a form of wealth tax.
 
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The 1% are irrelevant. They are not billionaires.
A portion of the 1% are billionaires. Do you disagree?
Billionaires are rather notorious for their tax dodges. Remember that "billionaire" refers to their net assets. Most of those exist as unrealized gains or valuation of assets purchased or created at much lower input cost. They have other tricks like borrowing money against their assets and spending that money which isn't even "income" under traditional tax evaluations.

Income taxes come from income not from wealth. The link you posted lists the “true” tax rate based on wealth growth not on income. Tax laws in the US are based on income not on wealth or wealth growth.

For example, from your link, Warren Buffet’s taxes are $24 million on an income of $125 million and yet, according to your link, his “true” tax rate is .10%. And yet based on income his actual tax rate is 19.2%. It is disingenuous to claim what is not.
 
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So feel free to present how much tax they are avoiding! Stop whining and crying about what I post - prove me wrong.
I'm not their tax accountant or any accountant. (And to avoid replying to yet another post. You MAGAs all look alike.)
 
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