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Kristi Noem Says US Citizens Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship

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"In every situation we are doing targeted enforcement," said Noem during a press gaggle outside the White House Thursday in response to a reporter asking why some Americans have been asked to provide proof of citizenship in Minnesota.

"If we are on a target, there may be individuals surrounding that criminal that we may be asking who they are and why they're there and having them validate their identity," Noem said.

Last January, among President Donald Trump's list of executive orders was one requiring that immigrants carry proof of their legal status, such as their visa, green card, or other form of ID.

Now, with thousands of people protesting against ICE and smaller groups working as legal observers of federal agent activity, U.S. citizens are also coming into close contact with those who may ask for proof of ID under this rule.

When the rule was emphasized by Trump, there were warnings that if all immigrants were supposed to carry documentation, by default all people in the U.S. would have to carry ID so that they were not wrongly identified as an illegal immigrant.

And here we are.

Avi Meyerstein, founder of The Alliance for Middle East Peace, on X: "Unlike many places in the world, Americans are not required to carry ID to walk down the street. It's a freedom many may have taken for granted."

Joshua Windham, senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, told Newsweek: "First, the notion that DHS is always doing targeted enforcement is simply false. There are countless reports and videos of DHS officers stopping and questioning people about whom they have no prior information and whom they do not reasonably suspect of violating any law. Suspicion-less stops—when the person is not free to leave—are flatly unconstitutional. Second, American citizens are not legally required to carry proof of citizenship as they go about their daily lives, and that's no less true when they happen to be near somebody DHS targets. We do not live in a 'show your papers' society."
 

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I knew it would eventually get to this. It doesn't matter though, because it's just a pretext to harass the people they don't want here. They aren't accepting drivers licenses or birth certificates as ID. They are telling people their passports are fake. They apparently don't have a way of confirming citizenship anyway without detaining people for a week.

I no longer have a passport and my birth certificate is kept in a fireproof box at home so I dont lose it. My birth hospital didn't use hand or foot prints so even with that, there's no way to prove I'm me.

I've said for years that the hate in the hearts of some Americans and some Christians would lead to all the things we were warned to fear, including the mark of the beast. If the government were to say starting tomorrow, all Americans have to have a mark/microchip to work, buy or sell so that only REAL AMERICANS can live and work here, they'd be lined up first thing.

They love hating others more than they love freedom or themselves. Welp. America had a good run while it lasted.
 
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The title states:

Kristi Noem Says US Citizens Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship​


However the title of the link reads a bit differently

Kristi Noem Says People Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship

"If we are on a target, there may be individuals surrounding that criminal that we may be asking who they are and why they're there and having them validate their identity," Noem said.​

Why did you change the title of the article?

If you are with a group that includes Illegal Alien Criminals - you might be asked for ID and proof of citizenship. Gee, I wonder why?
 
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I knew it would eventually get to this. It doesn't matter though, because it's just a pretext to harass the people they don't want here. They aren't accepting drivers licenses or birth certificates as ID.

That is not true at all.

First of all - with several states giving out Drivers licenses, commercial Drivers licenses and State ID's to Illegal Aliens - it makes sense why they wouldn't be accepted.

Drivers licenses have NEVER been proof of citizenship. Period.

Read the link provided - they are not speaking of EVERYONE - only those involved with an established target, that means they know who they are looking for.

Interesting you bring up Christianity - what about the Christian values that tell us to obey the laws of the land - not steal - not rape children - just to name a few.
 
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The title states:

Kristi Noem Says US Citizens Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship​


However the title of the link reads a bit differently

Kristi Noem Says People Should Be Prepared to Prove US Citizenship



Why did you change the title of the article?

If you are with a group that includes Illegal Alien Criminals - you might be asked for ID and proof of citizenship. Gee, I wonder why?

What is your understanding of targeted enforcement?
 
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When she proves her humanity I'll worry about proving my citizenship.
How much plastic can you have and still be considered human? She reminds me of the Ship of Theseus.
 
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Whoop-de-doo I remember having to prove my US citizenship back around 1987.

Everything has to be turned into a hyperbolic melodrama.

Also I've always carried my ID with me my entire adult life (45 years), even when going for a short walk in my neighborhood. I've never considered it any kind of big deal to get asked for my ID.

During the Covid Lockdowns I had to carry literal papers showing that I was an essential services worker when commuting to work.
 
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How much plastic can you have and still be considered human? She reminds me of the Ship of Theseus.
The Ship of Theseus is a famous philosophical thought experiment, also known as Theseus's Paradox, that questions whether an object remains the same object if all its parts are gradually replaced over time.

Not seeing how that relates to carrying a card in your pocket.
 
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Because ICE is not conducting targeted enforcement.
The targets are illegal aliens. And that's the real complaint. Certain people want illegal aliens to remain in the US illegally.
 
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Read the link provided - they are not speaking of EVERYONE - only those involved with an established target...
So ifyou happen to be talking to someone they consider 'an established target' then you better have your passport with you. Else you'll be able to tell us what it's like being detained. Unless you refuse. As simply talking to a guy is not a reasonable cause for them to consider you an illegal alien.

So are you going to dust off your passport and keep it in your back pocket? Or stand up for your rights as a 'Merican.
 
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Well, then they can leave citizens alone and not require us to carry our proofs around with us.
I've been carrying proofs for nearly 50 years starting with my student ID and various passes. Going back as far as 1987 I had to prove I was a US citizen. Complaining about it now would be absurd.
 
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We do now.
Not in Minnesota but I am a legal citizen. Other than carrying around my birth certificate which I’m not going to do, I don’t know how to prove it.
 
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Not in Minnesota but I am a legal citizen. Other than carrying around my birth certificate which I’m not going to do, I don’t know how to prove it.
You'll have to know the words to the star spangled banner.
 
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I've been carrying proofs for nearly 50 years starting with my student ID and various passes. Going back as far as 1987 I had to prove I was a US citizen. Complaining about it now would be absurd.
Student ID isn’t proof of citizenship. Nor is a driver's license, though most issued to undocumented people have some sort of disclaimer on them. People are being told their birth certificates and passports are fake because the goal isn't simply to apprehend people that shouldn't be here, it's so citizens who are people of color don't feel safe or secure or like they belong. It's not meant to just be the legal aspect, it's the psychological impact they are going for also.

Trump is so BAD at his job that he is terrorizing multiple cities, killing or injuring multiple people, arresting and terrorizing multiple citizens and tribal members, gassing children, raiding schools, churches and businesses, spending tons more money, and STILL did not meet or exceed the deportation numbers Biden had without making our cities look like a war zone destroying the goodwill and the sense of security we had as Americans and potentially making future enemies of our country. All for civil offenses that are misdemeanors on the same level as petty theft.
 
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