Office (Who Was Not Struck) Suffers Internal Bleeding.

SavedByGrace3 · Wednesday at 1:13 PM

ICE agent struck by Renee Good's vehicle suffered internal bleeding to torso, DHS says

An ICE agent suffered internal bleeding to his torso after Renee Nicole Good's vehicle struck him during the Minneapolis shooting last week, an official said.

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ICE agent who shot Renee Good suffered internal bleeding, officials say

The ICE agent who shot Renee Good in the alleged car-ramming incident suffered internal bleeding, multiple U.S. officials told ABC News.

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Laodicean60 · Thursday at 2:26 PM

It can even be a bruise but no denying that he was struck by the vehicle.

Servus · Thursday at 3:02 PM

Turns out the ICE agent has internal bleeding - the left suddenly has nothing to say about the incident.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:07 PM

Laodicean60 said:
It can even be a bruise but no denying that he was struck by the vehicle.

I've watched every angle I can find and I'm still unclear as to whether he was actually hit or whether he moved out of the way in time. Either way, he was not hit remotely hard enough to cause what we'd all image "internal bleeding" to be.

Servus said:
Turns out the ICE agent has internal bleeding - the left suddenly has nothing to say about the incident.

If you think the left has nothing to say about this, you aren't paying attention. At all.

Servus · Thursday at 3:13 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
If you think the left has nothing to say about this, you aren't paying attention. At all.

They sure seem to have gone quiet in threads about the incident.

iluvatar5150 said:
I've watched every angle I can find and I'm still unclear as to whether he was actually hit or whether he moved out of the way in time. Either way, he was not hit remotely hard enough to cause what we'd all image "internal bleeding" to be.

He just happens to have a bruise the shape of a Honda grill logo.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:19 PM

Servus said:
He just happens to have a bruise the shape of a Honda grill logo.

That's be pretty impressive given where he was standing, the gear he was wearing, and the contours of the vehicle.

Servus · Thursday at 3:20 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
That's be pretty impressive given where he was standing, the gear he was wearing, and the contours of the vehicle.

I was being facetious. However as you point out, him having any injury considering the gear he was wearing, is a pretty good indication that there was definite impact.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:29 PM

Servus said:
I was being facetious.

I assumed as much.

Servus said:
However as you point out, him having any injury considering the gear he was wearing, is a pretty good indication that there was definite impact.

The other possibility it that they're exaggerating or straight up lying about his injuries. In another thread, somebody pointed out that a bruise could be considered "internal bleeding."

Servus · Thursday at 3:36 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
The other possibility it that they're exaggerating or straight up lying about his injuries. In another thread, somebody pointed out that a bruise could be considered "internal bleeding."

A bruise indicates that he was indeed struck and injured by the vehicle. That is the point being made in this thread.

This is his bodycam footage at the moment of impact:

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 3:49 PM

Servus said:
A bruise indicates that he was indeed struck and injured by the vehicle.

It would.

Servus said:
This is his bodycam footage at the moment of impact:

Yes, I've seen it. His camera moves during the incident and you can't see whether it impacted him or not.

SavedByGrace3 · Thursday at 5:12 PM

Someone said it was akin to being hit by a refrigerator door. The difference is that a car is much heavier than a fridge door. The fridge door is not being powered by several hundred horsepower. It does not have to be very fast to cause injury. A car going a few miles an hour - powered by hundreds of horsepower - can cause a lot of damage to a (relatively) frail biological entity. Ever hit a cat, dog, or deer? My neighbor accidentally left his car in N. The car rolled down a small hill and hit my house. It broke boards and siding. So there is reason to believe that the same could happen to a person.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 7:04 PM

SavedByGrace3 said:
Someone said it was akin to being hit by a refrigerator door. The difference is that a car is much heavier than a fridge door. The fridge door is not being powered by several hundred horsepower. It does not have to be very fast to cause injury. A car going a few miles an hour - powered by hundreds of horsepower - can cause a lot of damage to a (relatively) frail biological entity. Ever hit a cat, dog, or deer? My neighbor accidentally left his car in N. The car rolled down a small hill and hit my house. It broke boards and siding. So there is reason to believe that the same could happen to a person.

I legit can't tell if you're serious.

Servus · Thursday at 8:07 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
Yes, I've seen it. His camera moves during the incident and you can't see whether it impacted him or not.

There's also the sound he makes. Like someone who got punched in the gut.

Yarddog · Thursday at 8:13 PM

Laodicean60 said:
It can even be a bruise but no denying that he was struck by the vehicle.

It looked as if his legs may have been bumped by the vehicle but if there was actually some internal bleeding, it may have been a prior injury.

Ellesmere · Saturday at 3:04 AM

1) The picture shows an arms-length between the van as this ICE agent was in the process of shooting Renee Good, at close range, in the head!

2) Other videos show Ms Good turning the steering wheel to the right - if she had intended to "weaponize" her vehicle to hit the ICE agent, she needed to be turning the steering wheel to the left!

3) The open door on the stationary van on Ms Good's passenger side limits her ability to veer even farther to the right - to avoid the ICE agents!

"Renee Good was still alive when ICE agents were blocking a physician from tending to her.""

New records from emergency responders obtained by The New York Times show that Good was not breathing but had an irregular pulse when local medics arrived at the scene, and had no pulse by the time they removed her from her car. This comes after an initial video captured by bystanders showed ICE agents screaming at a medic who offered help as Good lay dying in her car."

New Evidence Reveals Renee Good Was Still Alive When ICE Blocked Medic

ICE’s defense on the horrific Minneapolis killing is falling apart.

newrepublic.com

4) With little knowledge as to the circumstances that contributed to this tragedy, both Vice President JD Vance and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem feel compelled to immediately transition into "damage control!"

What they conveniently omitted to mention was that after that van had continued down the street and eventually struck a pole, a doctor in the crowd had volunteered his services to provide medical care if Ms Good was still alive!What they

Members of ICE, in their infinite wisdom, refused the offer!

5) They reinvent the narrative and without an proof, proceed to portray the dead victim, Ms Good, as the villain, largely responsible for her own death - a "domestic terrorist" attempting to "weaponize" her van to run over ICE agents, innocent victims, one of whom is forced to shot her in the face to protect himself and the others!

6) What Vance and Noem have failed to address is that If Ms Good had actually been a true "domestic terrorist" conspiring to run over as many ICE agents as she could with her van, why not take advantage of the perfect opportunity when one was actually walking directly in front of her vehicle!

7) Its been stated that the iCE agent who actually shot Ms Good, had himself been recovering from injuries suffered after being dragged by the vehicle of a suspected illegal who was stopped for questioning several months earlier!

8) This begs the question as to having already survived being dragged by a suspect's vehicle, why would this ICE agent subject himself to the risk of tempting fate yet a second time!

9) Both the assorted videos and the body-camera of this ICE agent show him committing the "cardinal sin" - when dealing with potential suspects while still possessing the ability to flee in their vehicles, should they face arrest!

10) Suspect the worst and never walk in front of a vehicle where the driver has the capability of leaving at any time - in this case, it was Renee Good's van, whom prominent members of the Trump Administration which arbitrarily labeled her as a "domestic terrorist!:

11) Given that the ICE agent who shot Ms Good was supposedly an experienced officer, one would have assumed that he was conscious that walking in front of a vehicle with a potential illegal in the driver's seat, constitutes an clear violation of basic procedures found in POLICING 101!

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12) For any ICE agent to unnecessarily expose themselves to this kind of risk is a clear indicator that the "CHAIN-OF-COMMAND" at Homeland Security is negligent when it comes to promoting a culture with the expectation that all staff members are committed to "BEST PRACTICES" which, in turn, generates a level of professionalism that ICE has yet to display!

13) From 2009 to 2017, the Obama Administration deported more than 3 million illegals - a greater number than any President that preceded him!

Although immigration rights advocates and some Democrats referred to Obama as "DEPORTER-IN-CHIEF" meanwhile conservatives complained that he should be removing even more illegals!

Initially, Obama did focus on illegals with criminal records and those apprehended near the US/Mexican border and introduced a "SECURE COMMUNITIES" program!

"SECURE COMMUNITIES" was a information sharing system that would include

- IMMIGRATION

- CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT (ICE)

- LOCAL LAW AUTHORITIES

President Trump would never condescend to incorporating some of Obama's methods, but seems to prefer flooding primarily Democratic cities with 1000's of ICE agents, the National Guard and/or the US Military!

Presumably Trump also considers these ongoing disruptions in daily life as a form of punishment for a city that had the audacity to vote Democratic"

This is not only an inefficient use of manpower, these groups have the potential to do more harm than good as currently demonstrated by a flood of 3000 ICE agents in Minneapolis that have effectively alienated and antagonized many of its inhabitants!

The kind of creative thinking that invented systems like "Secure Communities" avoid working for Donald Trump "like the plague!" That's the kind of thinking, however, that would result in a much lower profile, designed to apprehending specific individuals.

The Trump method focuses on a daily quotas that conducts large "sweeps" in malls, schools, restaurants, etc, demanding that citizens produce appropriate ID or risk being detained as an illegal!

Servus · Saturday at 4:07 AM

Yarddog said:
It looked as if his legs may have been bumped by the vehicle but if there was actually some internal bleeding, it may have been a prior injury.

Most likely doctors can't tell the difference..

Yarddog · Saturday at 7:21 AM

Servus said:
Most likely doctors can't tell the difference..

I saw some videos, last night, that were from two different angles and synchronized, which show that the vehicle didn't touch the officer except on the hand.

Laodicean60 · Saturday at 8:04 AM

Yarddog said:
I saw some videos, last night, that were from two different angles and synchronized, which show that the vehicle didn't touch the officer except on the hand.

His hand touched the hood forcefully with his cell phone (phone footage with sound) as he was pushing himself away.

For this old dude, for one, I can't text and drive, but I have taken videos, and one thing I can remember is that my situational awareness stinks; I don't remember how many times I've said "excuse me" for bumping into someone. I assume the ICE agent was surprised.

Servus · Saturday at 9:30 AM

Yarddog said:
I saw some videos, last night, that were from two different angles and synchronized, which show that the vehicle didn't touch the officer except on the hand.

His bodycam footage indicates he was struck. Especially the sound he makes. But an officer doesn't have to be struck to perceive his life is in danger. Usually they shoot before the vehicle makes contact. I've seen it happen before in videos of other similar instances.

My advice to anyone is if law enforcement walks up to your vehicle and makes physical contact with it, do not hit the accelerator. It's a good way to get shot.

Yarddog · Saturday at 9:37 AM

Servus said:
His bodycam footage indicates he was struck.

He didn't have a bodycam. He was holding his cell phone and recording. He reached out with the hand with the cell phone in it and that was on the vehicle. He was drawing his gun with his right hand.

Servus said:
Especially the sound he makes. But an officer doesn't have to be struck to perceive his life is in danger.

I agree. He will probably get qualified immunity for the first shot but the next two were fired through the open window, when there was no danger to him or others.

Servus said:
Usually they shoot before the vehicle makes contact. I've seen it happen before in videos of other similar instances.

I agree.

Servus said:
My advice to anyone is if law enforcement walks up to your vehicle and makes physical contact with it, do not hit the accelerator. It's a good way to get shot.

I agree.

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1) The picture shows an arms-length between the van as this ICE agent was in the process of shooting Renee Good, at close range, in the head!​

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2) Other videos show Ms Good turning the steering wheel to the right - if she had intended to "weaponize" her vehicle to hit the ICE agent, she needed to be turning the steering wheel to the left!​

​

3) The open door on the stationary van on Ms Good's passenger side limits her ability to veer even farther to the right - to avoid the ICE agents!​

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4) With little knowledge as to the circumstances that contributed to this tragedy, both Vice President JD Vance and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem feel compelled to immediately transition into "damage control!"​

What they conveniently omitted to mention was that after that van had continued down the street and eventually struck a pole, a doctor in the crowd had volunteered his services to provide medical care if Ms Good was still alive!What they​

Members of ICE, in their infinite wisdom, refused the offer!​

​

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6) What Vance and Noem have failed to address is that If Ms Good had actually been a true "domestic terrorist" conspiring to run over as many ICE agents as she could with her van, why not take advantage of the perfect opportunity when one was actually walking directly in front of her vehicle!​

​

7) Its been stated that the iCE agent who actually shot Ms Good, had himself been recovering from injuries suffered after being dragged by the vehicle of a suspected illegal who was stopped for questioning several months earlier!​

​

8) This begs the question as to having already survived being dragged by a suspect's vehicle, why would this ICE agent subject himself to the risk of tempting fate yet a second time!​

​

9) Both the assorted videos and the body-camera of this ICE agent show him committing the "cardinal sin" - when dealing with potential suspects while still possessing the ability to flee in their vehicles, should they face arrest!​

​

10) Suspect the worst and never walk in front of a vehicle where the driver has the capability of leaving at any time - in this case, it was Renee Good's van, whom prominent members of the Trump Administration which arbitrarily labeled her as a "domestic terrorist!:​

​

11) Given that the ICE agent who shot Ms Good was supposedly an experienced officer, one would have assumed that he was conscious that walking in front of a vehicle with a potential illegal in the driver's seat, constitutes an clear violation of basic procedures found in POLICING 101!​

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13) From 2009 to 2017, the Obama Administration deported more than 3 million illegals - a greater number than any President that preceded him!​

Although immigration rights advocates and some Democrats referred to Obama as "DEPORTER-IN-CHIEF" meanwhile conservatives complained that he should be removing even more illegals!​

​

Initially, Obama did focus on illegals with criminal records and those apprehended near the US/Mexican border and introduced a "SECURE COMMUNITIES" program!​

"SECURE COMMUNITIES" was a information sharing system that would include​

- IMMIGRATION​

- CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT (ICE)​

- LOCAL LAW AUTHORITIES​

​

President Trump would never condescend to incorporating some of Obama's methods, but seems to prefer flooding primarily Democratic cities with 1000's of ICE agents, the National Guard and/or the US Military!​

Presumably Trump also considers these ongoing disruptions in daily life as a form of punishment for a city that had the audacity to vote Democratic"​

​

This is not only an inefficient use of manpower, these groups have the potential to do more harm than good as currently demonstrated by a flood of 3000 ICE agents in Minneapolis that have effectively alienated and antagonized many of its inhabitants!​

​

The kind of creative thinking that invented systems like "Secure Communities" avoid working for Donald Trump "like the plague!" That's the kind of thinking, however, that would result in a much lower profile, designed to apprehending specific individuals.​

​

The Trump method focuses on a daily quotas that conducts large "sweeps" in malls, schools, restaurants, etc, demanding that citizens produce appropriate ID or risk being detained as an illegal!​

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1) The picture shows an arms-length between the van as this ICE agent was in the process of shooting Renee Good, at close range, in the head!

2) Other videos show Ms Good turning the steering wheel to the right - if she had intended to "weaponize" her vehicle to hit the ICE agent, she needed to be turning the steering wheel to the left!

3) The open door on the stationary van on Ms Good's passenger side limits her ability to veer even farther to the right - to avoid the ICE agents!

4) With little knowledge as to the circumstances that contributed to this tragedy, both Vice President JD Vance and Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem feel compelled to immediately transition into "damage control!"

What they conveniently omitted to mention was that after that van had continued down the street and eventually struck a pole, a doctor in the crowd had volunteered his services to provide medical care if Ms Good was still alive!What they

Members of ICE, in their infinite wisdom, refused the offer!

6) What Vance and Noem have failed to address is that If Ms Good had actually been a true "domestic terrorist" conspiring to run over as many ICE agents as she could with her van, why not take advantage of the perfect opportunity when one was actually walking directly in front of her vehicle!

7) Its been stated that the iCE agent who actually shot Ms Good, had himself been recovering from injuries suffered after being dragged by the vehicle of a suspected illegal who was stopped for questioning several months earlier!

8) This begs the question as to having already survived being dragged by a suspect's vehicle, why would this ICE agent subject himself to the risk of tempting fate yet a second time!

9) Both the assorted videos and the body-camera of this ICE agent show him committing the "cardinal sin" - when dealing with potential suspects while still possessing the ability to flee in their vehicles, should they face arrest!

10) Suspect the worst and never walk in front of a vehicle where the driver has the capability of leaving at any time - in this case, it was Renee Good's van, whom prominent members of the Trump Administration which arbitrarily labeled her as a "domestic terrorist!:

11) Given that the ICE agent who shot Ms Good was supposedly an experienced officer, one would have assumed that he was conscious that walking in front of a vehicle with a potential illegal in the driver's seat, constitutes an clear violation of basic procedures found in POLICING 101!

`

13) From 2009 to 2017, the Obama Administration deported more than 3 million illegals - a greater number than any President that preceded him!

Although immigration rights advocates and some Democrats referred to Obama as "DEPORTER-IN-CHIEF" meanwhile conservatives complained that he should be removing even more illegals!

Initially, Obama did focus on illegals with criminal records and those apprehended near the US/Mexican border and introduced a "SECURE COMMUNITIES" program!

"SECURE COMMUNITIES" was a information sharing system that would include

- IMMIGRATION

- CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT (ICE)

- LOCAL LAW AUTHORITIES

President Trump would never condescend to incorporating some of Obama's methods, but seems to prefer flooding primarily Democratic cities with 1000's of ICE agents, the National Guard and/or the US Military!

Presumably Trump also considers these ongoing disruptions in daily life as a form of punishment for a city that had the audacity to vote Democratic"

This is not only an inefficient use of manpower, these groups have the potential to do more harm than good as currently demonstrated by a flood of 3000 ICE agents in Minneapolis that have effectively alienated and antagonized many of its inhabitants!

The kind of creative thinking that invented systems like "Secure Communities" avoid working for Donald Trump "like the plague!" That's the kind of thinking, however, that would result in a much lower profile, designed to apprehending specific individuals.

The Trump method focuses on a daily quotas that conducts large "sweeps" in malls, schools, restaurants, etc, demanding that citizens produce appropriate ID or risk being detained as an illegal!