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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Is the US heading for civil unrest.
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If that is so
and the Talmud tells that,
A person does not sin unless a spirit of insanity enters into him. Talmud sotah 3a.
The conclusion must be, this world is the biggest mental asylum in the universe.
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There's no problem with people forming opinions.
However, this is where it gets a bit confusing: back when a certain former US President was facing criminal charges, a lot of people on the right were insistent that a defendant was innocent until proven guilty, and complained when others voiced the opinion that the person in question was guilty. Some even went so far as to complain when that person was convicted of almost three dozen felonies that he not be called a "convicted felon" until only after the sentence was officially handed down.
Now, we have people on the right unabashedly making pronouncements about people being guilty of crimes well before arrest, let alone prosecution and conviction or sentencing.
So, which is it? Is it okay to voice an opinion about a person's guilt or isn't it?
-- A2SG, or do some rules only apply to certain people, and not others?
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I'm amazed at the rights ability to see the world condemn whta trump is doing and see themselves as the goodguys. And stopping the criminals, yeah like someone working at walmart or target such villianous criminals, or the legal citizens rounded up ilgeally ohhhh I'm shaking.
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Yeah, it does seem like massive financial fraud being treated as a non-issue while some person entering this country illegally but otherwise obeying every law and simply working to provide for one's family is seen as a reprehensible and dangerous criminal can be a pretty blatant double standard.
-- A2SG, it does make one chuckle when certain people use the phrase "no one is above the law" without irony...
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well it's not even that, even if we accepted everyone ilegally here should be detained and deported, that doesn't ignore the racial profiling people arrested for days or weeks for simply looking ilegal.
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I was thinking about this today. About why there is a growing anarchy. Or rising up against the administration. a revolution of sorts. It seems the ground swell is happening and the level of violence is increasing.
Nevermind who is in the right or wrong. I am wondering why it is that culturally there is a shift in how people are accepting authority full stop. That there is a growing belief in defying authority. As though it has no weight or respect.
I think this was happening or being cultivated years ago and now we are seeing the end result. This is a culture wide change in mindset that takes years to instill.
In fact its not just the US as mentioned. This is actually a world wide phenomena. A growing belief that people can rise up and go to war over their differences. I think it is a spirit of rebellion that has come over the world.
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And why are you telling me this? I'm not part of the left-right tribe; I'm my own tribe. I also argued during that time that: Trump is convicted, sentence him. I was disappointed in the outcome because little people aren't afforded the same treatment.
Try not to be two-faced. I heard the left pronounce Trump guilty before the verdict. Remember all the name-calling? Everyone should ask themselves if my guy did something that Im accuseing the other of, then y'all won't stand out as a hypocrite. I find people have short memories when it comes to Politics.
I have had 3 lefties complaining to me, Guilt before innocence (are you trying to shut me up?) We all form our opinions based on what we hear and see, and I formed mine. We will see after the trial if my opinion comes true.
I did form my opinion based on what I saw, and if I were a jury member, I would have the same impression until the prosecutor changed my mind.
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Because you provided the opinion that guilt could be established prior to a trial.
Cool.
I'm not.
Yes, many people voiced their opinions, just as you did. As I said, there's no problem with people forming opinions.
I would never do that, under any circumstances.
Yup, everyone forms opinions, and I have no problem with that.
I just found the difference between what some on the right said then and are saying now interesting, and voiced my opinion on that.
-- A2SG, note I never claimed that you spoke for "the right," nor do I purport to speak for "the left"....
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I guess I can add a D to this response of mine. D) Ice killing detainees at deportation centers.
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