We used to live just fine in the old days, but a few people decided to make everyone a cattle. And you have to live in it all just to have food, do they ever feel bad over being a cattle, and the misery?
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Do people feel bad for following the Gouverment?
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Ivan Hlavanda
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Scripture teaches you that it is God who chooses who has power and authority over us. It is our responsibility to pray for and obey those who are in government, as long as it is not sin.
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I'm sorry to hear that. May the Lord God heal you and bring you peace
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Good post but we the people are the government, plus we all agreed to follow the constitution. So sometimes we have an obligation to redirect those who represent us back to good policy and the constitution. I am not suggesting violence though.
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Whoa, I agreed to no such thing. Neither do I assume that you agreed to do so either. If you did, then good for you. But please don't assume that anyone else is obligated to abide by what's written on some piece of paper... we're not.
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If your a citzen of any nation you have given consent to be governed. In the usa you do this by your presence and by legal means such as accepting a drivers license, signing a tax form, even using u.s. currency. Such consent does not always have to agree but as a citizen you have given consent or are in total rebellion, precarious position and not typically a Christian one. Though you consent you maintain rights to oppose legally, to protect your rights, even to withdraw consent etc
"The Lockean Argument (Residency and Benefit): John Locke, in his Second Treatise of Government, argues that anyone who enjoys any part of a government's territory—whether by owning land, staying in a lodging for a week, or simply traveling freely on a highway—gives their tacit consent to be governed."
there are alternatives, but why do you resist consent defined this way? Is there any law you consent too?
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Lots and lots of sin in this current administration so it must be emphasized that scripture is clear on who is " first" , Jesus Christ of Nazareth not " America ".
Let us reason. The " America First" doctrine is not the will of the Father.
Be blessed.
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I know there is a lot of sin in this current administration, and I have a lot of bad to say about Trump I'd rather not say because it can break the rules, but you get the idea.
Nevertheless we ought to pray for them for God have mercy on them and to give them wisdom to know who gave them authority, to obey God, and to rule us justly. That their advisors give them wise advise and the law makers are just.
We also ought to obey government as long as it is not wrong in the eyes of the Lord. That's why we need to pray to God to gives us wisdom on what to obey the government in and what not. For example during covid when there were lockdowns, some Christians did not obey these lockdowns and that is not right.
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Again, I've done no such thing.
I fail to see how my presence in the place where I was born constitutes a consent to being governed. Please explain the reasoning behind this claim.
Being forced to conform to certain social regulations doesn't equate to a consent to being governed by the author of those regulations. It merely recognizes the power to enforce, but not the right to establish.
Without first establishing your right to govern, that's a dichotomy that you don't get to claim. Without my consent, you haven't established the right to govern. So I can't be said to be in rebellion against anybody.
Sorry, but you have no authority to tell me what rights I do, and do not have.
Mr. Locke is undoubtedly a far more intelligent person than I am. But a claim eloquently presented is still just a claim.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not an advocate for "Sovereign Citizenship", nor am I anti-government. What I am however is someone who hates assumptions, and the claim that I've somehow consented to someone else's authority, when I've done no such thing, is just such an assumption.
What I would like you to do at this point is to explain to me the reasoning behind the claim of 'tacit consent'.
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It makes me remember a nice meme with a picture of Lysander Spooner, and a thought about the social contract
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Assumimg your American you had to register for selective service or can face penalties. To attend public school you consented by getting shots, filing out papers etc. You buy property you must consent to zoning and legal boundaries. Any of these acts and many more mean you are consenting not opposing. Maybe you dont consent in your heart, but you do it by your actions. I dont impose upon your rights personally, but as a citizen there is a collective set of rights you enjoy. The citizens acting through government and God in some cases extend these rights. Unless your in prison or have no interactions you must be conforming enough. In some cases people can vote with their feet, and you might have different rules but you still have authority over you. Im more of a rebel than most but in general im happy to be an American and though i never agree with everything totally, i recognize the government, its authority and laws. I cant speak for you but usually we give a little up to avoid anarchy. I do agree and desire as little government as is effecient yet treasure good government that serves its citizens. When that is not around i work to change it, sometimes ignore it, but i generally comply. I guess the ultimate non consent is to renounce it.
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I agree America first is not biblical but it seems to be perhaps the permissive will of God. That like Israel and their insistance on a King, God provided one that showed them their imperfections. So here is Trump leading America to show us our frailties?
The first shall be last is what the bible says. Plus, the high shall be brought low, suggest where many fail in their biblical thinking.
When JF Kennedy said in a speech, Ich bein eine Berliner, in response to the Berlin crisis, that was a Berlin first statement, unselfish, giving, encouraging etc. It is interesting too that perhaps sometimes the U.S. motives may be wrong but it is hard to judge. I think there are some good things coming from Trump. Like helping Christians in Nigeria, or possibly returning democracy to Venezuela or some serious changes in Iran.
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Well I must admit, that was disappointing. I had hoped for so much more.
Nonetheless, thanks.
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Im no expert, the authority in the usa is derived from the constitution. Since it can be changed each generation has a chance. Id say its going backward but still decent enough for most. What type of government you prefer, if any?
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Though God allows/ permits evil to advance, it is never, never His will. It is the result of hardened hearts that do not have the "love of the truth" and that believe "the lie". He will send a delusion upon them where they can no longer discern evil. Do not be mistaken. This is a " great falling away" happening before our eyes where allegiance to an earthly ruler who uses the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth in vain and manipulates weak Christians into apostasy.
This warning is to Christians.
"And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,"
This should not be taken lightly.
Be blessed.
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People say theres a lot of sin in the current administration. But comparing the last two I think the current admin is more aligned with Christianity. Surely this is a matter of opinion.
I mean both are not Christian but I always thought the Right was closer to Christianity being they oppose stuff like abortion, Trans ideology, SSM for the most part, ect.
I mean both are not Christian but I always thought the Right was closer to Christianity being they oppose stuff like abortion, Trans ideology, SSM for the most part, ect.
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