ICE Violently Detained 2 U.S. Citizens While at Work at Target.

Larniavc · Jan 13, 2026

rjs330 said:
No, that's not the Supreme Court indicated.

But that is what you just said. You likened being brown with wearing biker gear.

Larniavc · Jan 13, 2026

Laodicean60 said:
How else would you identify them?

But they are not being identified. They are being profiled.

durangodawood · Jan 13, 2026

Servus said:
In 2025 about 69,000 people were in ICE detention in 2025 at the agency’s peak custody levels Axios.

Of those about 170 were US citizens ProPublica.

So my bad, it's closer to 1 in 400.

Even with those numbers, for myself I would not feel comfortable as a US citizen knowing law enforcement can detain me just for being a color I cant wash off or speaking an accent.

I can't argue with you being ok with that for yourself tho.

Yttrium · Jan 13, 2026

rjs330 said:
For who? If they refuse to identify themselves you cant get a warrant.

You don't need an identity, you just need an accurate description and probably cause. They've seen them, they can identify them, explain to the kind judge why the suspects need to be detained.

Trogdor the Burninator · Jan 13, 2026

Laodicean60 said:
How else would you identify them? We don't have handheld biometric scanners to identify them yet; we are still building a biometric database. We need to catch up with China. All a cop has to do in the future is scan everyone they see while walking the beat, then color won't matter.

How do we identify far-right group members? Trump sticker on their car? MAGA hat? Arrest them just in case - we can always release them later. I'm sure Republicans won't complain.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 13, 2026

RocksInMyHead said:
It's not just that these incidents have gone pear-shaped - it's also the response when they do. Every time something goes wrong, DHS and the administration circle the wagons, blame the victims, and fabricate accusations to justify their misconduct. There's zero accountability on the part of CBP and ICE - they're ignoring court orders and shutting out any investigations by local authorities, and the DoJ is declining to conduct civil rights reviews of their conduct (despite that previously being standard in these sorts of situations).

The accusations of "evil" and "cruelty" stem directly from statements made by DHS officials, as well as things shared by government social media accounts. Mocking, belittling, and humiliating people - and gloating about it - is pretty cruel by any objective measure, and that's going to color people's perceptions of all of your actions.

You talk about the "mandate" granted to the administration, but the reality is that Trump's approval on immigration issues has been steadily slipping since at least last summer, and rather than addressing the growing disapproval, DHS has doubled and tripled down on its tactics.

When I was referring to the public mandate, I wasn't referring to the specific tactics currently being used, I was referring to the general opinions of the public on immigration leading up to the election, of which 2/3 said "We want tighter controls at the border, and we want the people who came in illegally or overstayed their visas to be removed"

In response to that public opinion of "we see this as a problem, are you going to do anything about it?"--

Democrats: Three quarters gave wishy washy non-committal answers and only opted to propose something in the bottom of the 9th inning once they saw they were about to lose over it (after 3 years of ignoring it), the other quarter said "No, we don't want to do it at all, walls are racist & deportations are racist, and you're a racist if you want those things... in fact, we should be bringing in even more and giving them healthcare and other services"

Trump: "Yeah, sounds good, I'll do it"

And as far as why some people feel compelled to defend it, it's because the current tactics (which they couldn't have anticipated before they happened) are being used to guilt people. "If you wanted stronger immigration policies, then this is YOUR fault...look at this terrible person you voted for, are you ready to admit you were wrong about wanting tighter immigration controls? hmmm????". If I were a Trump voter, I'd be inclined to be defensive about it too.

RocksInMyHead · Jan 13, 2026

ThatRobGuy said:
When I was referring to the public mandate, I wasn't referring to the specific tactics currently being used, I was referring to the general opinions of the public on immigration leading up to the election, of which 2/3 said "We want tighter controls at the border, and we want the people who came in illegally or overstayed their visas to be removed"

I know that's what you meant. What I meant is that if you're going to claim a mandate based on public opinion, then it behooves you to continue to listen to public opinion lest you lose that mandate. Now, would you care to address the rest of my post?

Servus · Jan 13, 2026

durangodawood said:
Even with those numbers, for myself I would not feel comfortable as a US citizen knowing law enforcement can detain me just for being a color I cant wash off or speaking an accent.

That's not the way it works. People get detained because instead of just providing an ID when asked, they turn it into a much more difficult situation. ICE has been doing checks on people for decades. Obama cracked down and did a lot of deporting. People are only freaking out over it now because Trump.

durangodawood said:
I can't argue with you being ok with that for yourself tho.

I know how to have a smooth interaction with law enforcement, and I know how to end up getting myself placed in handcuffs.

Aryeh Jay · Jan 13, 2026

durangodawood said:
The "tortilla" proposal is just for making it immediately clear which brown people are citizens and which arent.

Corn or flour? Fajita sized or burrito? Not all Hispanics have tortillas in their culture. What about Native Americans who look like Hispanics. Best to be safe and arrest everyone.

rjs330 · Jan 13, 2026

wing2000 said:
I don't care who you think is at fault for illegal immigration.

If you're at Target, where allegedly an ICE squad "has some reason to be there" would you be okay with being detained after providing your name and ID? In this instance, one of the "suspects" allegedly state he was a U.S. citizen and had a US passport. He was detained anyway, taken away and dumped at a Walmart - presumably after his claims were "verified."

Yes I'd be okay. You know why? Because its a unique situation. Its one of those things where someone can easily lie about it. This is a result of years of letting illegals in and allowing them to stay and get drivers licenses etc.

The only way to determine if someone is lying is to investigate it. Running a simple license check wont do it. As we have seen they have lied about it and have used forged and fake IDs.

This would not be happening at all if we were not flooded with the illegals.

rjs330 · Jan 13, 2026

Larniavc said:
But that is what you just said. You likened being brown with wearing biker gear.

I think you are referring to someone else.

rjs330 · Jan 13, 2026

Yttrium said:
You don't need an identity, you just need an accurate description and probably cause. They've seen them, they can identify them, explain to the kind judge why the suspects need to be detained.

That's not how it works. You need a name.

Yttrium · Jan 13, 2026

rjs330 said:
That's not how it works. You need a name.

United States v. Doe, 703 F.2d 745 (3d Cir. 1983) — Upheld a warrant identifying the suspect by physical description and role in the crime.
United States v. Ferrone, 438 F.2d 381 (3d Cir. 1971) — A warrant describing the suspect by physical traits and conduct was valid.

Larniavc · Jan 13, 2026

rjs330 said:
I think you are referring to someone else.

My apologies. You are correct.

Laodicean60 · Jan 13, 2026

Trogdor the Burninator said:
How do we identify far-right group members?

White, of course, the sound of the colors doesn't trigger me.

Trogdor the Burninator said:
Trump sticker on their car? MAGA hat? Arrest them just in case - we can always release them later.

Trump isn't far right.

Servus · Jan 13, 2026

Aryeh Jay said:
Corn or flour? Fajita sized or burrito? Not all Hispanics have tortillas in their culture. What about Native Americans who look like Hispanics. Best to be safe and arrest everyone.

From what I've been hearing it sounds like they are arresting everyone who looks like they might possibly be a Mexican.

durangodawood · Jan 13, 2026

Servus said:
That's not the way it works. People get detained because instead of just providing an ID when asked, they turn it into a much more difficult situation. ICE has been doing checks on people for decades. Obama cracked down and did a lot of deporting. People are only freaking out over it now because Trump.

I know how to have a smooth interaction with law enforcement, and I know how to end up getting myself placed in handcuffs.

People should make this a difficult situation. When its ID checks for nothing more than "looking hispanic"? Of course no one should get hurt. But is our liberty really this cheaply valued that we should permit the state to question us just because we're of a certain "race"?

durangodawood · Jan 13, 2026

Aryeh Jay said:
Corn or flour? Fajita sized or burrito? Not all Hispanics have tortillas in their culture. What about Native Americans who look like Hispanics. Best to be safe and arrest everyone.

I dont know what kind of tortilla. I have some Mexican origin immigrant family I can ask..... (they are citizens now in case any of you are ICE - not that it will keep you from demanding "their papers".)

Aryeh Jay · Jan 13, 2026

I had a coworker at Nestle back in 2017 who was Hispanic and always had her passport in a pouch around her neck so it was always visible.

ThatRobGuy · Jan 13, 2026

RocksInMyHead said:
I know that's what you meant. What I meant is that if you're going to claim a mandate based on public opinion, then it behooves you to continue to listen to public opinion lest you lose that mandate. Now, would you care to address the rest of my post?

Which part am I missing, pretty sure I quoted the whole thing and responded to it.

I covered your question about the public mandate, and my last paragraph was addressing the first part of your post pertaining to their tactics, and why GOP voters aren't going to be champing at the bit to concede any ground.

Is there a part you'd like me to go into, in more detail, specifically?

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