Is the US heading for civil unrest.

Valletta · Monday at 3:24 PM

Pommer said:
Protesting is sacrosanct…and is to be expected when the status quo is upended; trying to quash dissent is how dictators are born.

Peaceful protest is great. In this case Trump was elected to deport illegals, he made that clear and never waivered. He debated Joe Biden and the people democratically elected Trump as the president of our country. Under this administration law enforcement has gone out of their way to de-escalate, many protestors who violated the law have not received any consequences. That being said, a number of the "protestors" are in fact paid agitators, deliberately interfering with law enforcement.

Trogdor the Burninator · Monday at 3:29 PM

Postvieww said:
What is happening in situations like Minnesota is absolutely civil unrest or just call it what it is, rioting.

False! When local authorities turn a blind eye to or even encourage this type of anarchy the military is absolutely warranted.

And when Trump encourages rioting on January 6th to overthrow the properly elected government of your country, then pardons the criminal traitors who took part in said riot - all bets are off. He can hardly then clutch his pearls and complain when others do far less than what his supporters did.

Trogdor the Burninator · Monday at 3:36 PM

JosephZ said:
When you have federal agents walking up to random people asking if they're citizens, detaining US citizens, and large groups of these agents showing up in neighborhoods and workplaces dressed in combat gear, and the president sending in the military to support them in certain cities, like they do in "third-world" nations, you shouldn't be surprised when US citizens take to the streets to protest and show resistance to the government's "third-world" behavior.

Especially when the government has already said rioting is OK provided they do it, by pardoning people who rioted in Washington.

When you (the govt of the US) pardon your mates, tear down institutions, tell people their rights don't matter, reject all common decency towards others unless they're supporters - don't act surprised when people riot in response.

Postvieww · Monday at 4:35 PM

Pommer said:
What recourse does the hoi polloi have when they see their Federal Government overstepping its bounds by indiscriminately criminalizing ordinary citizens and legal residents (who have begun to exercise the right to petition the government for the redress of grievances)?

The above is a factual incorrect analysis. What actually is happening is anarchy and chaos, not rightful petitioning the government. There is no sane analysis that makes these riotous displays peaceful protests. There is no constitutional right to stalk, impede or otherwise interfere with law enforcement! That is a criminal act!

Pommer said:
Protesting is sacrosanct…and is to be expected when the status quo is upended; trying to quash dissent is how dictators are born.

Why are many liberals so invested in justifying chaos and criminal behavior. Trained and paid protesters are not legitimate.

Postvieww · Monday at 4:45 PM

Trogdor the Burninator said:
And when Trump encourages rioting on January 6th to overthrow the properly elected government of your country,

Didn’t happen!

Trogdor the Burninator said:
then pardons the criminal traitors who took part in said riot - all bets are off.

The Biden DOJ abused their power by trampling due process and making political hay at the expense of many who did not deserve this type of treatment. I am not sure what country you are in but you need a new source of information. Your characterization of Jan 6 is devoid of facts. Pardons were the only justice many of them received.

Trogdor the Burninator said:
He can hardly then clutch his pearls and complain when others do far less than what his supporters did

See above.

wing2000 · Monday at 4:53 PM

Postvieww said:
The above is a factual incorrect analysis. What actually is happening is anarchy and chaos, not rightful petitioning the government. There is no sane analysis that makes these riotous displays peaceful protests. There is no constitutional right to stalk, impede or otherwise interfere with law enforcement! That is a criminal act!

Why are many liberals so invested in justifying chaos and criminal behavior. Trained and paid protesters are not legitimate.

Go live in El Salvador, Venezuela or Cuba.

Pommer · Monday at 5:38 PM

Valletta said:
Peaceful protest is great. In this case Trump was elected to deport illegals, he made that clear and never waivered. He debated Joe Biden and the people democratically elected Trump as the president of our country. Under this administration law enforcement has gone out of their way to de-escalate, many protestors who violated the law have not received any consequences. That being said, a number of the "protestors" are in fact paid agitators, deliberately interfering with law enforcement.

How is placing hundreds of ICE Agents in cities to do sweeps, “de-escalating”?
Why are they dressed like an occupying force?
Couldn’t they conduct their duties in plain cloths or other non-military-esque garb?

Pommer · Monday at 5:40 PM

Postvieww said:
The above is a factual incorrect analysis. What actually is happening is anarchy and chaos, not rightful petitioning the government. There is no sane analysis that makes these riotous displays peaceful protests. There is no constitutional right to stalk, impede or otherwise interfere with law enforcement! That is a criminal act!

Why are many liberals so invested in justifying chaos and criminal behavior. Trained and paid protesters are not legitimate.

The government does not get to dictate how protests are carried out, (not yet, anyway).

Couching political-opponents as anarchists & terrorists while telling us that they’re “paid protesters“, serves nothing but to confirm your own biases.

I invite you to tone down your own rhetoric.

Hans Blaster · Monday at 5:52 PM

rambot said:
This is the stupididiest thing I've read online today.

Argh. You made me look. (But you were correct.)

RDKirk · Monday at 6:01 PM

stevevw said:
This is how I see it. I think both sides use false and hateful rhetoric.

I think most people will now acknowlegde that there was a fixation on Trump with hate speech and even talking about actually taking him out because he was a threat to democracy. That level of narrative led to several attempts on his life. I think this is a sign of the level of hate from the Dems.

Its also reflected in how they disown, deplatform, even want to destroy peoples reputation and livelihood for holding opposing views. It is also seen in the intimidation and defiance of authority. Arrests have spiked in illegal and violent protesting.

The Right is also fueling the fire because they are using misrepresentative rhetoric. Turning an illegal act of proesting into some organised terrorist group against the US. Which in turn causes those who are supporting these protestors to become even more vigelent and resentful.

Then it keeps repeating the cycle and each time it seems to ratchet up.

But I do believe that some conflicts are simply ideological and that the political arena has become more personal and passionate is seen as a life and death situation to a growing number of people. Which escalates the intensity and desperation.

Sometimes no one is doing anything wrong. Its just that one sides disagrees ideologically. I think both sides want the same thing. Just different ideas about how to achieve that.

The weird thing is that people use to not bother with different and disagreeing beliefs and political views. Now just disagreeing or holding a particular belief or view can create a culture war.

I think generally speaking its a different political climate then it was even a couple of years ago when it was a little bit bad. Or compared to say 10 years ago when there was not so much hate and violence as today.

Thfinitely a trend towards civil unrest growing.

Go outside and touch grass.

Postvieww · Monday at 6:12 PM

Pommer said:
The government does not get to dictate how protests are carried out, (not yet, anyway).

When protests are not peaceful and lawful the government does get to dictate how they are carried out.

Pommer said:
Couching political-opponents as anarchists & terrorists while telling us that they’re “paid protesters“, serves nothing but to confirm your own biases.

When they throw objects, damage vehicles, put their hands on law enforcement they are anarchists. I am sorry so many cannot recognize that fact.

Pommer said:
I invite you to tone down your own rhetoric.

Truth is sometimes hard to swallow. Everything I have claimed on this topic is on TV and honest media sources every day. I am just pointing out the obvious to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Postvieww · Monday at 6:16 PM

wing2000 said:
Go live in El Salvador, Venezuela or Cuba.

You should suggest that to the criminals creating the chaos by interfering with law enforcement.

Valletta · Monday at 6:31 PM

Pommer said:
How is placing hundreds of ICE Agents in cities to do sweeps, “de-escalating”?
Why are they dressed like an occupying force?
Couldn’t they conduct their duties in plain cloths or other non-military-esque garb?

The de-escalation is for when they encounter protestors, they're not going to abandon their mission. Law enforcement personnel don't remain in their stations or squad cars when they get calls, but when encountering interference they do try and de-escalate. As to how they are dressed it's a decision as to what is safest. In some situations they wear civilian clothes, that would be in a situation where you want to go in unnoticed and unannounced. But you need tactical gear when you may encounter well-armed gang or cartel members or mobs throwing objects.

Postvieww · Monday at 6:41 PM

Pommer said:
How is placing hundreds of ICE Agents in cities to do sweeps, “de-escalating”?

They are doing their sworn duties. It is the rioters who need to de- escalate.

Pommer said:
Why are they dressed like an occupying force?

Why should they not wear normal uniforms when carrying out their normal duties?

Pommer said:
Couldn’t they conduct their duties in plain cloths or other non-military-esque garb?

So they should go in street clothes with no protective equipment to carry out law enforcement actions against potentially armed illegals and unhinged rioters? Doesn’t sound like a very good plan.

stevevw · Monday at 7:49 PM

RDKirk said:
Go outside and touch grass.

What does that mean.

Hans Blaster · Monday at 7:57 PM

stevevw said:
What does that mean.

Urban Dictionary: touch grass

touch grass: used when someone is doing something weird, stupid, or pointless. it means they need to come back to reality, they need to get some fresh air...

www.urbandictionary.com

RDKirk · Monday at 8:19 PM

stevevw said:
What does that mean.

Tomorrow morning, I'm going to a weekly "old men's breakfast" where I'll sit and converse as the only black man among about 8-10 white, conservative (mostly MAGA) white Texas men.

We are all old enough to remember Jim Crow quite well. I'm going to shake all their hands and we're going to tell stories about what was good about childhood and laugh about young people through breakfast.

After that, I'm going to the shooting range about a block away where I'll run into some more white Texan males about my age that all habituate the range at about the same time every week. We'll talk about guns and do some shooting.

wing2000 · Monday at 9:27 PM

Pommer said:
How is placing hundreds of ICE Agents in cities to do sweeps, “de-escalating”?
Why are they dressed like an occupying force?
Couldn’t they conduct their duties in plain cloths or other non-military-esque garb?

Deliberate provocation.

Valletta said:
The de-escalation is for when they encounter protestors, they're not going to abandon their mission. Law enforcement personnel don't remain in their stations or squad cars when they get calls, but when encountering interference they do try and de-escalate. As to how they are dressed it's a decision as to what is safest. In some situations they wear civilian clothes, that would be in a situation where you want to go in unnoticed and unannounced. But you need tactical gear when you may encounter well-armed gang or cartel members or mobs throwing objects.

"well-armed gang or cartel members" ?

This Minneapolis, not Caracas.

Valletta · Monday at 9:57 PM

wing2000 said:
Deliberate provocation.

"well-armed gang or cartel members" ?

This Minneapolis, not Caracas.

I suppose it's relative, U.S. News this year ranked Minneapolis as only the 25th most dangerous city in the U.S.. I used to train at Powderhorn Park, that's where the rally against ICE was on Saturday with thousands of people. A media article described it as a quiet neighborhood. It's down the street from the "Learing Center." The MWA and Somali Outlaws are involved in sex trafficking, the YSL which is associated with the Outlaws have been previously prosecuted for possessing machine guns. With doxxing if it were me I would wear tactical gear.

7thKeeper · Monday at 11:13 PM

Postvieww said:
Like I said do some research. Tell me about the embedded agents on Jan 6. Tell me what you know about the capital police man that shot Babbit. Tell me what you know about the illegal Jan 6 committee. Tell me what you know about Liz’s shady dealings. Sounds like you don’t read very much.

The conspiracy theory section is elsewhere.

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