It is no coincidence that posters such as
@Warden_of_the_Storm ,
@Hans Blaster,
@Ophiolite and myself have been critical of the quality of your posts. It’s time for you to accept the reality you are the problem and not the individuals criticizing you or your beliefs.
A logical fallacy of authority or popularity. Oh look everyones against you so you must be wrong. What a childish carry on lol.
This latest serving of nonsense is taking incoherence to a new level since your individual responses are irrelevant and random.
Another extreme claim which only those with weak arguements need to engage in. The fallacy is by using extreme words that they become the weight of the arguement and nothing else. That someone has to resort to this shows they have a weak arguement. Or argue weakly.
You have not provided links only quotations and given your proven history of cherry picking quotes to take links out of context it wouldn’t surprise me this has occurred.
Lol this is exactly what I have been saying that no matter what no one can provide anything, nothing at all to support the idea of something beyond the physical to some hard nose skeptics.
They demans peer review and when you provide it they say "not good enoug or its not really peer review". Of what is accepted its then made out as not beiong about Mind beyond the physical. Then when you show that the papers are directly talking about 'Mind beyond the physical' they claim its only a quote.
The question is why was that quote even mentioned lol. Why would a paper mention Mind or consciousness beyond the brain or physical. Why would it even mention investigating
Since you have reached the conclusion of consciousness being beyond the brain, here is Henry Stapp’s(?) quote you mentioned.
"The Quantum world of the instrument: the measuring instrument, the laboratory environment, and even the observer's body remain in a superposition of states until the observer consciously experiences a result. The instrument alone, therefore, doesn't force a single reality into being; it only amplifies quantum possibilities into macroscopic ones."
Where did you get this quote from because it certainly didn't appear in:
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The quote comes directly from Stapp. I know Stapp well as he is the leader in QM and Mind as the fundemental ontology. Let me find his direct quotes.
By the way youshould have followed this up. If your going to claim he did not say this and you profess to know enough to dispute Mind beyond the physical then Stapp is a number 1 physicist you should have known beforehand.
Mindful Universe
Stapp, Henry P.
In the new theory, quantum mechanics, our conscious experiences enter into the dynamics in specified ways not fixed by the physically described aspects alone. Consequences of this radical change in our understanding of the connection between mind and brain are described.
A new theory was needed, and was duly created. It accounts with fantastic accuracy for the empirical data both old and new. The core difference between the two theories is that in the earlier classical theory all causal effects in the world of matter are reducible to the action of matter upon matter, whereas in the new theory our conscious thoughts and mental efforts play an essential and irreducible role in the determination of the evolving material properties of the physically described world. Thus the new theory elevates our acts of conscious observation from causally impotent witnesses of a flow of material events that is determined by material processes alone to irreducible mental inputs into the determination of the future of a psychophysical universe. In the quantum world our minds matter!
Both Stapp and Wigner's work explicitly state the measuring instrument, the laboratory environment, and the observer's body (brain) are in an entangled state not a superposition state, not the difference is meaningful to you.
It is the wavefunction which is macroscopic or non local, the entangled state undergoes quantum decoherence which leads to locality which even you should be able to comprehend since measuring equipment, the laboratory and the observer's brain and his consciousness are found in a specific location in space time not spread across the universe.
Once again you prove my point of posting contradictory information due to quote mining and confirmation bias.
All your other references claiming consciousness being non local are contradicted by Strapp’s and Wigner’s models and will be ignored.
Go look up the meaning of the word metaphor.
Yes its a metaphor but what does it mean. The metaphor for "since sliced bread" iis about a big idea that revolutionises society. Thats what sliced bread represented.
So your claiming that I am saying that the idea of consciousness beyond brain is such an enormous and revolutionary idea that it impacted society as much as sliced bread did. I did nt make out consciousness was at this level. Show me where I said this or admit its an
obvious exaggeration.
Once again it is the case of anything beyond your level of comprehension is erased from existence.
It was explained all interpretations are attempts to make sense through the optics of the mathematics which at best is an approximation of reality.
Quantum physicists will be the first to say no one understands QM in terms of intuitiveness.
But you have stated that consciousness as fundemental is rediculous and anyone supporting such is an idiot and its all nonsense. Yet here you are not claiming no one knows. If no one knows then how can you make such truth claim.
I am saying consciousnes sor mind as fundemental according to legitimate science and interpretations is a legitimate belief, NIt that its truth but that it cannot be dismissed like your doing. Because in doing that you are yourself pushing your belief that all is physical and theres nothing beyond.
There is an idiot on the other side of the planet by the name of Trump who is telling the American people prices are going down, the economy is robust etc despite the very evidence showing otherwise. Apparently he thinks by continuing to perpetrate the lies people will start believing.
Huh and Biden put into law based on the science he used that a man can become a women by identifying as one thus overturning biological fact and reality lol.
Similarly are you as dumb into thinking repeating the same lie over and over despite the fact the role of consciousness is not new (first formulated in the early 1960s) and has been in decline since the 1970s will change my opinion of the facts?
Since you have the perception of me bullying others who are you mentioning?
A clue to my behaviour towards you is your persistent lying indicating zero respect which is reciprocated.
Lol what has politics got to do with science. I thought non scientific examples were not allowed.
If your calling me dumb then your calling a lot of good people who agree with me.
Also by declaring everyone dumb on this means you are also declaring yourself God. I would rather believe scientists who you call dumb than the idea that you are God.
PS I thought I'd also point out that now just about every single reply you make includes personal attacks like "your stupid and dumb or an idiot for thinking ot believeing that. Every single reply. Regardless of topic every reply is your dumb and I am smart and hold the truth. I notice someone else mentioned this and you had a go at them as well. Your just taking out whatever it is on those who disagree. You would not last in any formal debate as you would be barred for such language lol.
