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Trump says his 'own morality' is the only limit to his global power

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I said in these forums before the election that both candidates were grave dangers to the Republic.

I just wasn't sure at the time which would ruin the Republic beyond recovery within four years.

I'm finding out now. I don't think Kamala would have been this decisive in her destruction of the Republic, nor her administration so effective in carrying it out.
Maybe I a misconstruing this, but are you saying if Kamala was successful she would have destroyed the republic? Just curious, but in what way? I kind of seen for the most part a continuation of Biden.
 
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Maybe I a misconstruing this, but are you saying if Kamala was successful she would have destroyed the republic? Just curious, but in what way? I kind of seen for the most part a continuation of Biden.
I believe the Democratic Party leadership became enthralled by Critical Theory ideology about 2008.
 
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I believe the Democratic Party leadership became enthralled by Critical Theory ideology about 2008.
The US does have a social power structure issue.
The US does have an issue with inequality.
We, the US, are essentially a pay for play quasi-oligarch.
There's a quasi-oligarch whose funding sways elections.
There's a quasi-oligarch that picks our highest judges.
I don't see making aware those issues something that would destroy the republic.
In fact to those are issues the average citizen sees as issues.
 
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The US does have a social power structure issue.
The US does have an issue with inequality.
We, the US, are essentially a pay for play quasi-oligarch.
There's a quasi-oligarch whose funding sways elections.
There's a quasi-oligarch that picks our highest judges.
I don't see making aware those issues something that would destroy the public.
In fact to those are issues the average citizen sees as issues.
Who said those were not problems? The Democratic Party was already addressing those without Critical Theory.

Critical Theory sets up an eternal conflict between Oppressor and Oppressed classes, with the definitions being completely fluid. Everything about the Oppressor is considered evil, everything about the Oppressed is considered good. Even if the Oppressor does "good," it's still evil because it's only done for the benefit of the Oppressor. By the same stroke, whatever the Oppressed does against the Oppressor is good, but any form of compromise or treaty or reconciliation with the Oppressor is bad.

Western society in some Critical Theory teachings are white people, but the more recent classification is "Colonizer." Christianity is considered a Colonizer tool, and thus despised for that reason. Israelis are also considered Colonizers. And by the same stroke, because Israelis are the Colonizer/Oppressors, then Muslims are the Oppressed. Whatever Muslims do, no matter how vicious, is a righteous reaction to the Oppressor. Any violence against the Oppressor is righteous.

Once you understand that it's all Critical Theory, it makes perfect sense from that viewpoint.

Moreover, Critical Theory is self-acknowledged Marxist...the creators themselves proudly said so. So, we saw the same concept in the Chinese Cultural Revolution when students became incredibly violent to erase all manifestations of the Oppressor--Imperialism in their case--from China. Suddenly, "Physics is Imperialist."
 
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Who said those were not problems? The Democratic Party was already addressing those without Critical Theory.

Critical Theory sets up an eternal conflict between Oppressor and Oppressed classes, with the definitions being completely fluid. Everything about the Oppressor is considered evil, everything about the Oppressed is considered good. Even if the Oppressor does "good," it's still evil because it's only done for the benefit of the Oppressor. By the same stroke, whatever the Oppressed does against the Oppressor is good, but any form of compromise or treaty or reconciliation with the Oppressor is bad.

Western society in some Critical Theory teachings are white people, but the more recent classification is "Colonizer." Christianity is considered a Colonizer tool, and thus despised for that reason. Israelis are also considered Colonizers. And by the same stroke, because Israelis are the Colonizer/Oppressors, then Muslims are the Oppressed. Whatever Muslims do, no matter how vicious, is a righteous reaction to the Oppressor. Any violence against the Oppressor is righteous.

Once you understand that it's all Critical Theory, it makes perfect sense from that viewpoint.

Moreover, Critical Theory is self-acknowledged Marxist...the creators themselves proudly said so. So, we saw the same concept in the Chinese Cultural Revolution when students became incredibly violent to erase all manifestations of the Oppressor--Imperialism in their case--from China. Suddenly, "Physics is Imperialist."
In the hard sciences, even in softer sciences like economics, theories are explanations of observed facts. Critical Theory was developed to analyze the fact of the observed exploitive relationship of capital over labor. Denounce the theory if you will, but the fact remains. As a theory, it doesn't map very well onto the culture war issues, and I agree with you that it is not very useful for that purpose, but the facts remain. What you need is a better theory. Just denouncing CRT is not going to get it.
 
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"I don't like red ink, let's not use red ink anymore," there would be people searching every desk in every military unit, in every ship in the Navy, breaking red ink pens in half.
That's the norm because there are some people that will slander a political opponent and go along with it, Russia
 
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That didn't make any sense with regard to my post.
You mentioned about the boss not liking red pens and the surfs follows which made me think of Obama and Russia hoax and all those who kept up.
 
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In the hard sciences, even in softer sciences like economics, theories are explanations of observed facts. Critical Theory was developed to analyze the fact of the observed exploitive relationship of capital over labor. Denounce the theory if you will, but the fact remains. As a theory, it doesn't map very well onto the culture war issues, and I agree with you that it is not very useful for that purpose, but the facts remain. What you need is a better theory. Just denouncing CRT is not going to get it.
Critical Race Theory does not propose a satisfactory fix. When you read to the end of the book, so to speak, its final vision is unsatisfactory. The final chapter of Critical Race Theory is the elimination of "whiteness" and all culture of "whiteness" wherever it appears.

Critical Race Theory asserts up front that white people cannot be fixed. This is the basic Marxist concept: The Oppressor must either be eliminated or absolutely suppressed to the point of social irrelevance. We've seen what that looks like when it has been tried.

A theory that does not lead to a practicable--much less satisfactory--goal is not a useful theory even if it does appear to address current problems.
 
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Who said those were not problems? The Democratic Party was already addressing those without Critical Theory.

Critical Theory sets up an eternal conflict between Oppressor and Oppressed classes, with the definitions being completely fluid. Everything about the Oppressor is considered evil, everything about the Oppressed is considered good. Even if the Oppressor does "good," it's still evil because it's only done for the benefit of the Oppressor. By the same stroke, whatever the Oppressed does against the Oppressor is good, but any form of compromise or treaty or reconciliation with the Oppressor is bad.

Western society in some Critical Theory teachings are white people, but the more recent classification is "Colonizer." Christianity is considered a Colonizer tool, and thus despised for that reason. Israelis are also considered Colonizers. And by the same stroke, because Israelis are the Colonizer/Oppressors, then Muslims are the Oppressed. Whatever Muslims do, no matter how vicious, is a righteous reaction to the Oppressor. Any violence against the Oppressor is righteous.

Once you understand that it's all Critical Theory, it makes perfect sense from that viewpoint.

Moreover, Critical Theory is self-acknowledged Marxist...the creators themselves proudly said so. So, we saw the same concept in the Chinese Cultural Revolution when students became incredibly violent to erase all manifestations of the Oppressor--Imperialism in their case--from China. Suddenly, "Physics is Imperialist."
Yes. I don't think Critical theory "sets up". What it does is defines what is, and has always been a reality. I just wanted to understand why you thought, and in what way, both parties are a danger to the republic. I just don't see what critical theory advocates as dangerous to the republic as a group who literally put in place a plan to ignore election results and steal the election replete with allowing a riot to unfold for their own end. But that's just me.
 
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Critical Race Theory does not propose a satisfactory fix. When you read to the end of the book, so to speak, it's final vision is unsatisfactory. The final chapter of Critical Race Theory is the elimination of "whiteness" and all culture of "whiteness" wherever it appears.

Critical Race Theory asserts up front that white people cannot be fixed. This is the basic Marxist concept: The Oppressor must either be eliminated or absolutely suppressed to the point of social irrelevance. We've see what that looks like when it has been tried.

A theory that does not lead to a practicable--much less satisfactory--goal is not a useful theory even if it does appear to address current problems.
So what's your better theory?
 
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So what's your better theory?
First, I disagree that some kind of "grand unified theory" is necessarily needed. Most nations haven't and don't use such a thing as their national ideology. Grand unified theories capture the fancies of academics and ideologues, but they are not necessary for functional governance. The US had already gotten onto a solid path toward racial reconciliation (something CRT asserts is impossible and undesirable).

People who personally remember Jim Crow (on both sides) know that.

Some elements of the early "trickle down effect" of CRT had escaped me, such as the rejection of what they termed "respectability politics." Respectability as politics between cultures and respectability as an essential characteristic of a functional culture are two different things, but for us descendants of American slavery, CRT completely rejects "respectability" as an element of white culture and thus totally rejects it. That rejection of the basic concept of respectability filtered down from academia to the urban streets during the 90s.

In truth, however, "respectability" was not the invention of white people. Every functional culture has its rules of respectability.
 
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In the hard sciences, even in softer sciences like economics, theories are explanations of observed facts. Critical Theory was developed to analyze the fact of the observed exploitive relationship of capital over labor. Denounce the theory if you will, but the fact remains. As a theory, it doesn't map very well onto the culture war issues, and I agree with you that it is not very useful for that purpose, but the facts remain. What you need is a better theory. Just denouncing CRT is not going to get it.
What this bear-of-little-brain got was that “critical-theory” is the academic version of “forever-populism”.

Populism requires an “enemy” to rail against, CT seems to tend to make the powers-that-be in the status quo, this “enemy”.
 
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Populism requires an “enemy” to rail against,
I guess we are populist within our political party my we all want enemies

CT seems to tend to make the powers-that-be in the status quo, this “enemy”.
I guess it works both ways, my only experience with CRT is when my son worried for his grade by speaking his mind against the institution.
 
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What this bear-of-little-brain got was that “critical-theory” is the academic version of “forever-populism”.

Populism requires an “enemy” to rail against, CT seems to tend to make the powers-that-be in the status quo, this “enemy”.
Well, yes, the "powers-that-be" are always the enemy in any version of CT, but that group changes depending on the version of CT.

In Radical Feminism (the particular feminist ideology that uses CT), it's men in general who are the Oppressors. In fact, in Radical Feminism, even when black men were slaves in America, we were still members of the patriarchy and thus the oppressors of white women. Strange--but true. Like "Gays for Palestine," it's one of the weird contradictions of Critical Theory.
 
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Well, yes, the "powers-that-be" are always the enemy in any version of CT, but that group changes depending on the version of CT.

In Radical Feminism (the particular feminist ideology that uses CT), it's men in general who are the Oppressors. In fact, in Radical Feminism, even when black men were slaves in America, we were still members of the patriarchy and thus the oppressors of white women. Strange--but true. Like "Gays for Palestine," it's one of the weird contradictions of Critical Theory.
No, it's called "intersectionality" and not a contradiction at all.
 
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No, it's called "intersectionality" and not a contradiction at all.
"Intersectionality" has a different meaning depending on whether you're talking to white feminists or black feminists.

But that meaning is still a contradiction.

Does patriarchy depend on social power or not? The argument that membership in patriarchy does not require or provide access to social power is absurd on its face.

The contradiction to the argument that access to social power is not necessary for membership in the patriarchy is that defining patriarchy in any other way--except one--makes the butch partner in a lesbian relationship a member of the patriarchy.

What it ultimately boils down to in Radical Feminism is that patriarchy is a matter of being male...no other factors matter. Just as in CRT there is no way for white people to be fixed because "Oppression" is an inherent characteristic of whiteness, in Radical Feminism there is no way for males to be fixed because "Patriarchy" is an inherent characteristic of maleness.

The final chapters of both versions of Critical Theory are not practicable.
 
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