Is the US heading for civil unrest.

stevevw · 2026-01-12T06:15:48-0600

With all the violence on the street now with political protests. With surveys showing more than a third of Dems willing to use violence to stop a political oponent. The rhetoric from the Right that people are commiting acts of terror while others call it legal protests.

The rhetoric is racheting up, the violence is ratching up. What will the future look like. Is this trend going to continue and we will see massive rioting like in Europe or with BLM type of rioting that destroys everything and kills people in their wake.

Does this lead to the National guard and miliary coming out in response to such a revolution.

I have read some time ago that political experts were predicting that the US had all the signs of a crisis brewing similar to Northern Ireland. Is this the case.

Stopped_lurking · 2026-01-12T06:32:02-0600

stevevw said:
With all the violence on the street now with political protests. With surveys showing more than a third of Dems willing to use violence to stop a political oponent. The rhetoric from the Right that people are commiting acts of terror while others call it legal protests.

The rhetoric is racheting up, the violence is ratching up. What will the future look like. Is this trend going to continue and we will see massive rioting like in Europe or with BLM type of rioting that destroys everything and kills people in their wake.

Well, you're certainly applying a large dose of rhetoric in the preceding paragraph. Expressions like "Massive rioting" and "destroys everything and kills people in their wake" is sure to put oil on the waves. What massive riots in Europe are you talking about this time? The farmers protests?

stevevw said:
Does this lead to the National guard and miliary coming out in response to such a revolution.

So now it is a revolution?

stevevw said:
I have read some time ago that political experts were predicting that the US had all the signs of a crisis brewing similar to Northern Ireland. Is this the case.

stevevw · 2026-01-12T07:03:43-0600

Stopped_lurking said:
Well, you're certainly applying a large dose of rhetoric in the preceding paragraph. Expressions like "Massive rioting" and "destroys everything and kills people in their wake" is sure to put oil on the waves.

Lol how do you set up a thread discussing the possibility of civil unrest in the US without mentioned civil unrest. Just mentioning this does not equate to hateful rhetoric.

I am specifically pointing out the worst end of the recent unrest. The level at which we have seen civil unrest in the past. Like with the BLM riots. I am asking will there be more or an even bigger version of this. Is this brewing at the moment.

Stopped_lurking said:
What massive riots in Europe are you talking about this time? The farmers protests?

Not just riots but protests. The recent protests and rioting in Britain and Europe has reach growing levels of intensity as well. This is a developing confrontation I think on a number of issues.

There is civil unrest throughout the world. But I am specifically looking at the US. Evidence comes the the spike in data showing a massive increase in threats, violence, willingness to use violence and actual assassinations of political opponents. This has not really happened for most of US history. Not actual average people coming out and killing or attempting to kill political opponents. Or use violence on the streets to do so.

You don't think theres been an increase.

Stopped_lurking said:
So now it is a revolution?

I say that to mean that this is not just a specific issue but it growing into a culture wide divide along a number of lines. Political ideology being one of the main ones.

It seems its no longer live and let live and tolerating opposing views. Its now a willingness to actually stop opposing politics even with threats, defiance of law and the use of violence and even murder.

You don't agree. You don't think the political climate has changed from say even 5 years ago or even 2 years ago.

In fact I think this trend will see more terrorism, more attempted assassinations, more violence and confrontations. If the polarisation and hateful rhetoric is continued by both sides then it stands to reason that something big will happen. Like a boiling pot, it eventually boils over.

Maria Billingsley · 2026-01-12T07:23:20-0600

stevevw said:
With all the violence on the street now with political protests. With surveys showing more than a third of Dems willing to use violence to stop a political oponent. The rhetoric from the Right that people are commiting acts of terror while others call it legal protests.

The rhetoric is racheting up, the violence is ratching up. What will the future look like. Is this trend going to continue and we will see massive rioting like in Europe or with BLM type of rioting that destroys everything and kills people in their wake.

Does this lead to the National guard and miliary coming out in response to such a revolution.

I have read some time ago that political experts were predicting that the US had all the signs of a crisis brewing similar to Northern Ireland. Is this the case.

I really don't believe protesting should be considered " civil unrest" nor do I think that the Democrats are using violence as a tool for demonstrating their grievances. What I do believe is that this administration’s rhetoric, by labeling these people as " domestic terrorists ", is completly egregious and anti- Democratic. Conflating constitutionally protected peaceful dissent with criminal acts of violence is another step towards suppression and empowers Totalitarianism. Additionally, when the right to a peaceful protest turns into a militarized zone, such as sending the Marines to Los Angeles, it is seen as a public threat by this administration to the nation.

stevevw · 2026-01-12T07:43:28-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
I really don't believe protesting should be considered " civil unrest" nor do I think that the Democrats are using violence as a tool for demonstrating their grievances. What I do believe is that this administration’s rhetoric, by labeling these people as " domestic terrorists ", is completly egregious and anti- Democratic. Conflating constitutionally protected peaceful dissent with criminal acts of violence is another step towards suppression and empowers Totalitarianism.

This is how I see it. I think both sides use false and hateful rhetoric.

I think most people will now acknowlegde that there was a fixation on Trump with hate speech and even talking about actually taking him out because he was a threat to democracy. That level of narrative led to several attempts on his life. I think this is a sign of the level of hate from the Dems.

Its also reflected in how they disown, deplatform, even want to destroy peoples reputation and livelihood for holding opposing views. It is also seen in the intimidation and defiance of authority. Arrests have spiked in illegal and violent protesting.

The Right is also fueling the fire because they are using misrepresentative rhetoric. Turning an illegal act of proesting into some organised terrorist group against the US. Which in turn causes those who are supporting these protestors to become even more vigelent and resentful.

Then it keeps repeating the cycle and each time it seems to ratchet up.

But I do believe that some conflicts are simply ideological and that the political arena has become more personal and passionate is seen as a life and death situation to a growing number of people. Which escalates the intensity and desperation.

Sometimes no one is doing anything wrong. Its just that one sides disagrees ideologically. I think both sides want the same thing. Just different ideas about how to achieve that.

The weird thing is that people use to not bother with different and disagreeing beliefs and political views. Now just disagreeing or holding a particular belief or view can create a culture war.

I think generally speaking its a different political climate then it was even a couple of years ago when it was a little bit bad. Or compared to say 10 years ago when there was not so much hate and violence as today.

definitely a trend towards civil unrest growing.

Stopped_lurking · 2026-01-12T07:54:52-0600

stevevw said:
Lol how do you set up a thread discussing the possibility of civil unrest in the US without mentioned civil unrest. Just mentioning this does not equate to hateful rhetoric.

But you choose to describe it in a inflammatory way.

stevevw said:
I am specifically pointing out the worst end of the recent unrest. The level at which we have seen civil unrest in the past. Like with the BLM riots. I am asking will there be more or an even bigger version of this. Is this brewing at the moment.

Not just riots but protests. The recent protests and rioting in Britain and Europe has reach growing levels of intensity as well. This is a developing confrontation I think on a number of issues.

Why would you classify riots and protests as the same? Protests are good for the political climate.

What riots specifically are you talking about? The largest in terms of participants I've seen in Sweden was Göteborgskravallerna 2001. That is half a life ago for me. It is hard to see any connection to the US today.

stevevw said:
There is civil unrest throughout the world. But I am specifically looking at the US. Evidence comes the the spike in data showing a massive increase in threats, violence, willingness to use violence and actual assassinations of political opponents. This has not really happened for most of US history. Not actual average people coming out and killing or attempting to kill political opponents. Or use violence on the streets to do so.

You don't think theres been an increase.

I say that to mean that this is not just a specific issue but it growing into a culture wide divide along a number of lines. Political ideology being one of the main ones.

It seems its no longer live and let live and tolerating opposing views. Its now a willingness to actually stop opposing politics even with threats, defiance of law and the use of violence and even murder.

You don't agree. You don't think the political climate has changed from say even 5 years ago or even 2 years ago.

I don't live in the US, it is hard for me to have a nuanced picture of the political climate there.

stevevw said:
In fact I think this trend will see more terrorism, more attempted assassinations, more violence and confrontations. If the polarisation and hateful rhetoric is continued by both sides then it stands to reason that something big will happen. Like a boiling pot, it eventually boils over.

Postvieww · 2026-01-12T08:07:06-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
I really don't believe protesting should be considered " civil unrest" nor do I think that the Democrats are using violence as a tool for demonstrating their grievances.

What is happening in situations like Minnesota is absolutely civil unrest or just call it what it is, rioting.

Maria Billingsley said:
What I do believe is that this administration’s rhetoric, by labeling these people as " domestic terrorists ", is completly egregious and anti- Democratic.

There are many examples that show many of these so called peaceful protests are anything but peaceful. The physical attacks on ICE are not defensible by any sane standard.

Maria Billingsley said:
Conflating constitutionally protected peaceful dissent with criminal acts of violence is another step towards suppression and empowers Totalitarianism.

That is not what is happening here. Many of these are paid anarchists who sho up in in multiple cities. This not peaceful dissent must of it is criminal.

Maria Billingsley said:
Additionally, when the right to a peaceful protest turns into a militarized zone, such as sending the Marines to Los Angeles, it is seen as a public threat by this administration to the nation.

False! When local authorities turn a blind eye to or even encourage this type of anarchy the military is absolutely warranted.

Postvieww · 2026-01-12T08:16:45-0600

stevevw said:
This is how I see it. I think both sides use false and hateful rhetoric.

It is not the right attacking law enforcement, screamIng profanities at federal agents, causing chaos in the streets or as acting like a third world nation.

Fantine · 2026-01-12T08:36:19-0600

The best solution, of course, is what Mayor Jacob Frey said:
ICE, get the _______ out of Minneapolis.

And Chicago, Portland, Memphis, and every city. Minneapolis, according to its police chief, had only "two" murders in the past year, and one was committed by ICE officer Ross. If there was "one" murder, why did Homeland Security send in 2000 troublemakers--3x the number of Minneapolis' 700 member police force--to cause trouble and disturb the peace?

Now Noem is sending in more ICE officers. Gov. Walz has his National Guard on alert to defend the residents. Trump could send in National Guard members from other states---to attack a city that has had only two murders in the past year!! (The gun regulations helped a whole lot more than these ICE officers.

He is treating blue states and cities like Venezuela--spouting a bunch of lies as an excuse to invade.

I have only one comment for the president. Minnesota doesn't have oil, but I bet that their dairy and meat industries provide a whole lot of manure, and you will be entitled to steal as much of it as your fancy ballroom can hold.

stevevw · 2026-01-12T08:36:55-0600

Postvieww said:
It is not the right attacking law enforcement, screamIng profanities at federal agents, causing chaos in the streets or as acting like a third world nation.

Yes this is obviously wrong. This should stop. But I think there are some fundemental issues that underlie this that are more complicated. All I know is when a society gets to apoint where they are at war then relations have broken down for various reasons.

Maybe it is coming down to clashing ideologies and cultur wars and civil unrest is inevitable until the society resets as one unified nations.

Do you think its possible for the US at the moment. Is it a case that Might has the final rule or is there a futire where the opposing sides come together under a common identity and order.

Maybe this is the plight of all western nations. The plight of democracy itself as not a working form of governernace anymore.

Nithavela · 2026-01-12T08:40:34-0600

Postvieww said:
It is not the right attacking law enforcement, screamIng profanities at federal agents, causing chaos in the streets or as acting like a third world nation.

Why should they when their guys are in power and doing what they want?

JosephZ · 2026-01-12T08:53:48-0600

Postvieww said:
It is not the right attacking law enforcement, screamIng profanities at federal agents, causing chaos in the streets or as acting like a third world nation.

When you have federal agents walking up to random people asking if they're citizens, detaining US citizens, and large groups of these agents showing up in neighborhoods and workplaces dressed in combat gear, and the president sending in the military to support them in certain cities, like they do in "third-world" nations, you shouldn't be surprised when US citizens take to the streets to protest and show resistance to the government's "third-world" behavior.

stevevw · 2026-01-12T08:55:26-0600

Heres a couple of articles I found when I mentioned that political experts were predicting civil unrest due to certain signs that were similar to the Norther Ireland unrest.

All democracies are fragile—here are the early signs of civil war at home and abroad

https://www.npr.org/2023/11/24/1214278131/all-democracies-are-fragile-here-are-the-early-signs-of-civil-war-at-home-and-ab

This model forecast the US's current unrest a decade ago. It now says 'civil war'

This model forecast the US's current unrest a decade ago. It now says 'civil war' - triple j

"Is the US headed for another civil war? In a word, yes."

www.abc.net.au

US riots are eerily reminiscent of the Troubles

US riots are eerily reminiscent of the Troubles

The growing number of deaths from America’s ongoing political violence, as armed demonstrators shoot each other on the fringes of street protests, naturally evokes comparison to civil wars past and present, as commentators and ordinary US citizens alike wonder how close they are to the abyss...

unherd.com

Is the US really heading for a second civil war?

Is the US really heading for a second civil war?

With the country polarised and Republicans embracing authoritarianism, some experts fear a Northern Ireland-style insurgency but others say armed conflict remains improbable

www.theguardian.com

PS I disagree that there will be Civil war. I think thats an exaggeration. But I do think there is wide growing civil unrest that will be like wild fires in violence and destruction in parts of the US. More like civil unrest than civil war.

I also think this is not just a US problem. My own nation Australia has this growing violence and civil unrest. But not as bad at the moment as the US. Though in certain parts such as western Sydney its getting out of hand. But we have not got to the point of political assassinations and all that.

Maria Billingsley · 2026-01-12T09:07:13-0600

Postvieww said:
Many of these are paid anarchists

This is precisely what I am talking about. Calling protesters " Anarchists" is exactly what a Totalitarian type regime would call them. These individuals do not seek to abolish all authority. They seek righteousness. Totalitarianism routinely demonize any opposition by labeling them with terms like "anarchist" or even "terrorists," as this rhetoric falsely portrays dissenters as wanting to cause chaos and disorder thus justifying the regime's repressive actions to maintain control. Straight out of the play book.
Thanks for sharing.

Postvieww · 2026-01-12T09:09:21-0600

Nithavela said:
Why should they when their guys are in power and doing what they want?

The right did not riot in the streets when Biden and company were in power doing what they wanted. You tell me the difference is! Or would you like for me to tell you?

Postvieww · 2026-01-12T09:19:41-0600

Maria Billingsley said:
This is precisely what I am talking about. Calling protesters " Anarchists" is exactly what a Totalitarian type regime would call them.

Anarchists are exactly what they are , defined by their actions.

Maria Billingsley said:
These individuals do not seek to abolish all authority. They seek righteousness.

You couldn’t be more wrong . There is no “righteous “ anywhere near these criminals. Some are paid to be there and others are brainwashed into believing this criminal behavior is a righteous cause.

Maria Billingsley said:
Totalitarianism routinely demonize any opposition by labeling them with terms like "anarchist" or even "terrorists," as this rhetoric falsely portrays dissenters as wanting to cause chaos and disorder thus justifying the regime's repressive actions to maintain control. Straight out of the play book.

Upside down analysis!

essentialsaltes · 2026-01-12T09:33:38-0600

Around 1,000 more immigration officers headed to Minneapolis, sources say, as tensions flare after fatal ICE shooting

If the government's response to our petition that they tap the brakes is to smash the accelerator... who knows?

Yttrium · 2026-01-12T09:50:29-0600

The worse Trump gets, the more civil unrest there will be. Protests will explode across the country if Trump does something exceptionally dumb like invade Greenland, and I wouldn't put it past him.

Valletta · 2026-01-12T09:59:15-0600

stevevw said:
With all the violence on the street now with political protests. With surveys showing more than a third of Dems willing to use violence to stop a political oponent. The rhetoric from the Right that people are commiting acts of terror while others call it legal protests.

The rhetoric is racheting up, the violence is ratching up. What will the future look like. Is this trend going to continue and we will see massive rioting like in Europe or with BLM type of rioting that destroys everything and kills people in their wake.

Does this lead to the National guard and miliary coming out in response to such a revolution.

I have read some time ago that political experts were predicting that the US had all the signs of a crisis brewing similar to Northern Ireland. Is this the case.

The radical arm of the Democratic Party is now in control of their party, the Marxist/radical Islamist temporary coalition seems to be in charge. While a lot of the racist and bigoted teachings at the universities have at least paused, many young people are already radicalized. So many thought the killing of the health care CEO was justified, it shows how quickly the principles and virtues upon which our nation was founded can be abandoned. I cannot predict the future, prayer is our most powerful weapon.

RocksInMyHead · 2026-01-12T10:10:05-0600

Valletta said:
The radical arm of the Democratic Party is now in control of their party, the Marxist/radical Islamist temporary coalition seems to be in charge. While a lot of the racist and bigoted teachings at the universities have at least paused, many young people are already radicalized. So many thought the killing of the health care CEO was justified, it shows how quickly the principles and virtues upon which our nation was founded can be abandoned. I cannot predict the future, prayer is our most powerful weapon.

Ah yes, the "throw a bunch of scary words at the situation" approach. Anyone who disagrees with you is a radical, or a marxist, or an islamist - because anything else would require you to acknowledge their arguments rather than dismissing them out of hand.

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