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how far is trump to go for greenland
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Yup. Just as some people go Judge shopping, some people go poll shopping.
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When things are made up about a situation to make it sound much worse than it really is, that's usually a good indication that it's actually not a big deal. Who are you getting this stuff from?
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Yeah but that’s hardly likely to endear Denmark to Trump. Helping his enemies is never a good way to go about currying favour with him.
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I can see the logic from a security point of view. At least have the US play a big part in its security. Its virtually an extension of the US territory and more strategically important to the US than some far away nations in Europe.
Even the EU admits that for security reasons the US should have a stake in Greenland.
But I like that such an option is put on the table. Only someone like Trump would dare raise such an idea. Its refreshing even if its crazy at times lol.
But exciting lol. Just like how they flew in and captured a dictator like a James Bond movie. Maybe they can do that on a larger scale with Greenland.
One minute its Greenland and overnight its suddenly the US lol. Its funny I reckon. How it stirs up the world. Its like "hey you can't do that". Trump says in his funny way "but I just did" lol.
Even the EU admits that for security reasons the US should have a stake in Greenland.
But I like that such an option is put on the table. Only someone like Trump would dare raise such an idea. Its refreshing even if its crazy at times lol.
But exciting lol. Just like how they flew in and captured a dictator like a James Bond movie. Maybe they can do that on a larger scale with Greenland.
One minute its Greenland and overnight its suddenly the US lol. Its funny I reckon. How it stirs up the world. Its like "hey you can't do that". Trump says in his funny way "but I just did" lol.
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There is nothing funny about breaching international law, invading an ally, ignoring sovereignty and demolishing a global system that, for all its failings, delivered.
Your casual, even juvenile, approval of such behaviour is an offence to every European, every Greenlander, every right thinking person on the planet. Shame on you.
At the height of the cold war the US had many thousands of personnel, in dozens of bases, stationed in Greenland. That same option is available today, without invasion. Only a power hungry fool would favour the aggressive option.
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What "breaching international law, invading an ally, ignoring sovereignty and demolishing a global system". Has Trump done this lol. Thats the point. Trump has done no such thing and yet people are already claiming he is a dictator. They have been for 10 years now lol.
Lol, sorry. It was a joke. I don't think everyone sees it the same way. Nothing has happened and people are going crazy over his words. Thats what he does lol. Always has done and its part of his persona I think.
The art of deal making. Use hyperbole to bring the issue to attention. Then once that happens start negociations. Its worked a lot of the times and brought changes that I don't think would have happened otherwise.
I don't think that would ever happen and its all political talking points. Trump seems to have so far made the world a little bit safer. I don't think its as much of a big bad dictator as people make out.
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The 1951 treaty requires mutual agreement between the US and Denmark for troop strength changes. "Troop strength" is a matter of sizes and types of military units, not merely numbers of personnel.
Right now there are about 150 US Space Force personnel in Greenland at what used to be called Thule Station. Moving a ground or sea combat unit to Greenland (Space Force has no combat units) would require an agreement of the two nations of the treaty.
You spelled "ice" wrong. During Arctic winter and much of spring, sea ice around the base is extensive and thick, effectively blocking normal vessel traffic. Vessels typically can navigate the waters only in late summer.
And, no, the US cannot unilaterally move naval vessels into Greenland waters without the agreement of the Danish government, according to the treaty.
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For the US military, there is a hidden point in that.
In my 26 years in the service, I never worked anywhere that NATO troops were not in my unit. US troops in Afghanistan had NATO troops around them. We've lived on their bases. We fought with them as allies. We exercised with them as allies. We created combat tactics with them, and share many of the same actual documents. Most full generals would have been members of NATO units during their careers (a box to check for advancement).
The US Constitution says clearly--it needs no judicial interpretation--that the treaties ratified by Congress are the supreme "law of the land."
The difference between Greenland and Venezuela for the military is that there was no standing law the prohibited us from attacking Venezuela, and Congress did not pass one. But there is standing law that prohibits us from attacking a NATO ally.
An illegal order is an order that breaks a standing law.
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The US Constitution says clearly--it needs no judicial interpretation--that the treaties ratified by Congress are the supreme "law of the land."
If "the treaty is wrong," then Congress must amend it.
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I hope that someone on the President's legal team is advising him that acquiring or attacking Greenland without congressional approval could be grounds for impeachment. If he obtains Greenland, whether by purchase or force, then a century from now, people will only associate his name with a president who was impeached three times and COVID-19.
The President believes that acquiring Greenland would secure his legacy and place him among leaders like Washington or Lincoln. In reality, whoever becomes president in 2029—regardless of NATO's existence—will return Greenland to Denmark.
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