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Hundreds protest in Minneapolis after ICE officer kills Renee Nicole Macklin Good

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Do you think it was?
No. Why can't you back up your claims? Is it because you can't, and you're getting angry at imagined scenarios in your mind? Back up your claims, you said these folks said something, so quote them saying it.
 
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He did not do that. The vehicle was stationary as he was walking around the front of it. She put it in drive and drove forward as he was walking.
The engine was running with a driver behind the wheel. Law enforcement officers are trained not to walk in front of a vehicle in that situation.

He also did not so that either. He was simply walking and filming. He had no reason to believe she would put her car in drive and hit him with it.
That was his mistake.

He wasn't able to get out of the way. It happened too fast.
Every video shows that he was able to get out of the way without serious injury.

This is exhibited by the fact that she actually hit him with it.
That has yet to be determined.
 
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No. Why can't you back up your claims? Is it because you can't, and you're getting angry at imagined scenarios in your mind? Back up your claims, you said these folks said something, so quote them saying it.
No, I'm just going off of what Noem and Vance said about it. It was clear enough, coming from a couple of self-proclaimed Christian nationalists who have sent ICE to sweep Blue cities as the Lord's work, and were denouncing Good as a vicious left-wing domestic terrorist before they knew much more about her than her name.
 
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No, I'm just going off of what Noem and Vance said about it.
Cool then you can quote us them saying anything remotely of the sort. Let's see it.
It was clear enough, coming from a couple of self-proclaimed Christian nationalists who have sent ICE to sweep Blue cities as the Lord's work, and were denouncing Good as a vicious left-wing domestic terrorist before they knew much more about her than her name.
Oh, so you made up a scenario in your mind and got angry about it? If not, let's see the quotes. Put up or shut up
 
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Noem and Vance have made it clear that they think ICE is doing the Lords work. They are, after all, openly Christian Nationalists. Noem and Trump have stated publically that their focus on "Blue" cities is primarily to put an end to left-wing dominance there. That is their idea of the "Lords Work" and Christians who support them agree. Do you?
I don’t care. The vast majority of Christians are not Christian Nationalists. Your thoughts and ideas are twisted around your hatred of Christianity.
Christians who disagree are denounced.
By whom?
Christians of my denomination are already "Blasphemous Perverts" but that was easy.
There are all sorts of opinions by all sorts of denominations against other denominations. I don’t understand why you so thin skinned thst can’t take the opinion of a couple of people. Not only thin skinned but even affects your understanding of a whole religion system to the point of hating the whole thing. My suggestion to you, if you are a Christian as you profess, is to spend some time in meditation and prayer to remove the hatred from your heart.
Catholics are next, but they have faced serious persecution in this country before. Even in my lifetime Catholics were treated no better than we treat Muslims now--back in the America that Trump wants to make Great Again. The point being, that the Christian Right has been distancing itself from all other Christian denominations who disagree with them, maintaining that they are the only real Christians. This has been going on for a long time.
Look, the constitution protects religion against the intrusion of the government. The American forefathers included this in the constitution because of the violence between Catholics and Protestants after the reformation. The Catholic Church has enough lawyers to defend itself and so does the rest of us. I’m not concerned with such nonsense. I’m more concerned about people like you spreading hate and untruths because someone in government called your denomination names. Sticks and stones……….
When Pat Robertson ran for President in 1988 one of the planks in his platform was that only "Bible Believing" Christians can be read as having the religious protections of the 1st Amendment, and the Attorney General has a task force working on that right now. So, OK, you win. You're the only real Christians. Now who do you think I hate?
And he did not win did he? Is the AG going to make real headway in breaking the constitution to remove any religion protections from the 1st Ammendment? I doubt it. If you have to hate me then go for it I have pretty thick skin but the hate will eventually get the best of you. At your age you should know this.
 
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I don’t care. The vast majority of Christians are not Christian Nationalists. Your thoughts and ideas are twisted around your hatred of Christianity.

By whom?

There are all sorts of opinions by all sorts of denominations against other denominations. I don’t understand why you so thin skinned thst can’t take the opinion of a couple of people. Not only thin skinned but even affects your understanding of a whole religion system to the point of hating the whole thing. My suggestion to you, if you are a Christian as you profess, is to spend some time in meditation and prayer to remove the hatred from your heart.

Look, the constitution protects religion against the intrusion of the government. The American forefathers included this in the constitution because of the violence between Catholics and Protestants after the reformation. The Catholic Church has enough lawyers to defend itself and so does the rest of us. I’m not concerned with such nonsense. I’m more concerned about people like you spreading hate and untruths because someone in government called your denomination names. Sticks and stones……….

And he did not win did he? Is the AG going to make real headway in breaking the constitution to remove any religion protections from the 1st Ammendment? I doubt it. If you have to hate me then go for it I have pretty thick skin but the hate will eventually get the best of you. At your age you should know this.
The trouble is, you don't know the difference between hatred and contempt. But never mind, your champion, J. D. Vance, has announced that this vicious terrorist attack on an ICE officer will be revenged--he's going to start having ICE officers go house to house. It won't be long before some poor ICE officer gets a face full of goose load and then we'll really have some fun.
 
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Terrorist is thrown out a lot throughout the years a lot of people have been labeled terrorists.
I agree. In this case i dont believe its an accurate statement for sure.
She has been identified having ties with anti ICE organization
Yes she is a radical leftist and totally anti-ICE. That doesn't make her a terrorist alone. And I haven't seen anything to indicate that she or the organization she was involved with was involved either. She was an obstructionist criminal.
 
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But then she is one. Even her wife blames herself for getting her into the mess. The left is using her just about the same way as they used George Floyd. No one cares about them unless they serve a purpose.
If that's the way you want to think of her, or that's the way you believe others will think of her then that's up to you. But I haven't seen any sympathy for her or her family or her kid in this thread. All I see are people posting pictures of bullet holes and screen shots with second by second timelines trying to support the administrations utterly contemptible comments. The fact that the man who is meant to be leading your country can lie about a tragedy like this so blatantly is completely ignored.

Is it the fact that he lies so much that it's now just taken for granted? What's that? He didn't tell the truth? He just made something up? Well, gee. And water is wet. The sky is blue. What's new? I have to again say it. In any other democratic nation he'd be forced to resign just on this one matter alone. I could say that the bar for determining acceptable behaviour is getting lower on a daily basis. But there is no longer any bar. It has ceased to exist. Now anything goes. You are now a failed state.

I have to say that this is one mightily depressing thread.
 
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The vehicle was stationary but running, he put himself in danger by walking behind ind in front of it. Just like assuming a gun is loaded, one should assume a running vehicle may move.
Irrelevant. There is no reason to believe the person behind the wheel is going to do what she did. I walk in front of running vehicles all the time. I don't assume the person is going to look at me, put it in drive and then hit me with it.
I am also curious how he was so quick on the draw, especially since he felt comfortable enough to circle the vehicle without fear it would move. This isn’t a Wild West quick draw duel, but it seems his mind was already on the gun instead of positioning for safety.
You are making assumptions which are completely irrelevant unless you can prove what he was thinking at minimum. Which you can't.
 
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Irrelevant. There is no reason to believe the person behind the wheel is going to do what she did. I walk in front of running vehicles all the time.
It is relevant because it is against the agent's training and DHS protocol to walk in front of a running vehicle with a driver behind the wheel. His failure to follow proper procedures can be used against him if this ever goes to court, whether it be a criminal or civil trial.
 
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Irrelevant. There is no reason to believe the person behind the wheel is going to do what she did. I walk in front of running vehicles all the time. I don't assume the person is going to look at me, put it in drive and then hit me with it.

You are making assumptions which are completely irrelevant unless you can prove what he was thinking at minimum. Which you can't.
It is reasonable to assume the car may move given the situation. People “flee” when approached by LE all the time. Just look how guarded and aware they are during a traffic stop. Good training would be to expect anything.

There are a lot of assumptions right now because there is little to go on and we’re unlikely to ever get the whole picture. We will never know what she was thinking as she turned right to drive off, although many assumptions here have her intentionally driving at him when that makes the least sense out of any given her behavior as the agent was circling her car prior.
 
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It has not been determined, the investigation is still ongoing.
It has, indeed, been determined by anyone with working eyes, which is why CNN has abandoned the pretense of claiming he wasn't hit, and turned instead to try to question whether he was hit before or after he shot, only for their expert to show that he was hit just before he fired the shots
 
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The engine was running with a driver behind the wheel. Law enforcement officers are trained not to walk in front of a vehicle in that situation.
It depends on the situation. There is no way you can show all law enforcement officers are taught that and that it is a standard for all and for all situations.
is relevant because it is against the agent's training and DHS protocol to walk in front of a running vehicle with a driver behind the wheel.
Sorry that is not what the protocol says.
His failure to follow proper procedures
He didnt fail to follow proper procedures becauae they arw very explicit. And no where to they say an officer cannot walk in front of a running vehicle with a driver behind the wheel.
 
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It is reasonable to assume the car may move given the situation. People “flee” when approached by LE all the time. Just look how guarded and aware they are during a traffic stop. Good training would be to expect anything.
At the time 4hwee was no reason to think she would flee. Her passenger was outside the vehicle having a conversation with the officer. When they commanded her to get out of the car he was already walking around the front of the car and was working his way to the left side.
We will never know what she was thinking as she turned right to drive off, although many assumptions here have her intentionally driving at him when that makes the least sense out of any given her behavior as the agent was circling her car prior.
Her intent is irrelevant to the case. Because the officer cannot know her intent. His response to the vehicle coming at him and hitting him and his perception of a threat and thought processes, position and reaction time etc is what really matters.
 
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The trouble is, you don't know the difference between hatred and contempt.
I do and your is hatred.
But never mind, your champion, J. D. Vance,
Can you point to where I even said anything about Vance? Are you continuing in your tirade and Strawman?
has announced that this vicious terrorist attack on an ICE officer will be revenged--he's going to start having ICE officers go house to house. It won't be long before some poor ICE officer gets a face full of goose load and then we'll really have some fun.
Lol your world is coming to an end. *screams* Maybe you should make an appointment so they don’t take you by surprise. What a bunch of nonsense.
 
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It depends on the situation. There is no way you can show all law enforcement officers are taught that and that it is a standard for all and for all situations.
I can't show that all law enforcement officers are taught this, but I would imagine almost all are. I'm certain this agent was since it's written in DHS publications. When I took BLET way back in the 90s, I was taught never to get in front of a vehicle that you stop or a vehicle where you are confronting someone inside. It's a pretty basic concept. @BPPLEE can probably confirm this as well since he once worked in law enforcement.

Sorry that is not what the protocol says.
It is.

Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.

Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.


The subject vehicle is the one that Renee Good was in. It doesn't matter if it was running or not, he should have never walked or stopped in front of it while she was still inside the vehicle.
 
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If that's the way you want to think of her,
No that’s the way the left thinks of her.
or that's the way you believe others will think of her then that's up to you.
Irrelevant.
But I haven't seen any sympathy for her or her family or her kid in this thread.
Awwww you and your buddy trying to guilt others.
All I see are people posting pictures of bullet holes and screen shots with second by second timelines trying to support the administrations utterly contemptible comments. The fact that the man who is meant to be leading your country can lie about a tragedy like this so blatantly is completely ignored.
I haven’t posted a single picture. You live in Australia what do you care about the president of the US? Are we supposed to care.
You are now a failed state.
I guess Australia can now come take over the US to make it successful.:doh:

Of course this failed state is where the vast majority of immigrants want to come to. Go figure.
I have to say that this is one mightily depressing thread.
Here we agree and you are not make it any better, mate.
 
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I can't show that all law enforcement officers are taught this, but I would imagine almost all are. I'm certain this agent was since it's written in DHS publications. When I took BLET way back in the 90s, I was taught never to get in front of a vehicle that you stop or a vehicle where you are confronting someone inside. It's a pretty basic concept. @BPPLEE can probably confirm this as well since he once worked in law enforcement.


It is.

Except where otherwise required by inspections or other operations, Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid standing directly in front of or behind a subject vehicle. Officers/agents should not place themselves in the path of a moving vehicle or use their body to block a vehicle’s path.

Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no alternative to using deadly force.


The subject vehicle is the one that Renee Good was in. It doesn't matter if it was running or not, he should have never walked or stopped in front of it while she was still inside the vehicle.
We weren't taught that but there was a Supreme Court decision that basically said you cannot create jeopardy then claim self defense.
There was a man in a car threatening suicide and the officer got in front of the car and baited the man into pointing the gun at him.
The SC said you can't do that.
You can't create your own jeopardy then claim self defense
In all our traffic stop scenarios we were behind the car, but we were taught that a car could be used as a weapon.
 
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