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Trump says his 'own morality' is the only limit to his global power

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Because it's not his house.

I've lived in government-owned housing myself. We didn't get to make major modifications even at our own expense. Put up a fence, maybe, and then only as strictly specified by the housing regulations (military housing is the stiffest HOA in the world).
Give me a break. Did you get mad and scream at Omama for tearing down a tennis court and adding a basketball court? Or Nixon for adding a bowling alley? Or at Truman for gutting the WHOLE INSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE and rebuilding the WHOLE inside of the building? Of course you didn’t. And the ONLY reason you are doing it now is because “Orange Man Bad”.
 
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Give me a break. Did you get mad and scream at Omama for tearing down a tennis court and adding a basketball court? Or Nixon for adding a bowling alley? Or at Truman for gutting the WHOLE INSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE and rebuilding the WHOLE inside of the building? Of course you didn’t. And the ONLY reason you are doing it now is because “Orange Man Bad”.
Im trying to picture a bowling alley that changes the entire public facing experience of the White House complex.

I mean, no one pushed back on Trumps gross marble renov of the Lincoln bathroom - except on aesthetic grounds, rightly so.
 
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Give me a break. Did you get mad and scream at Omama for tearing down a tennis court and adding a basketball court? Or Nixon for adding a bowling alley? Or at Truman for gutting the WHOLE INSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE and rebuilding the WHOLE inside of the building? Of course you didn’t. And the ONLY reason you are doing it now is because “Orange Man Bad”.
Yes, retreat to "whataboutism."

Actually, people did get mad about all those things (although none of them was non-revertable).
 
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Because it's not his house.

I've lived in government-owned housing myself. We didn't get to make major modifications even at our own expense. Put up a fence, maybe, and then only as strictly specified by the housing regulations (military housing is the stiffest HOA in the world).
Right. It is not his house that he can do major changes in without any consent from congress or running it by other groups per the law.

From Google AI, "what permissions are needed to renovate the White House?"

Renovating the White House requires approval from multiple federal bodies due to its status as a National Historic Landmark and federal property, with Congress controlling major funding and scope, while the National Park Service (NPS), National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC), and Commission of Fine Arts (CFA) oversee historical preservation, design, and planning, all subject to public review under laws like the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) and National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). Presidents can manage decor but need Congressional approval and extensive permits for structural changes, like the Truman reconstruction or recent East Wing additions.​
Key Permissions & Reviews:
  1. Congressional Authorization & Funding: Major projects, especially structural ones, need congressional approval for funding and scope, as the President can't unilaterally use federal funds for large construction.
  2. National Park Service (NPS): As the White House's custodian, the NPS reviews alterations for compliance with preservation laws (NHPA Section 106).
  3. National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC): Reviews design, planning, and environmental impacts for federal projects in the capital region.
  4. Commission of Fine Arts (CFA): Advises on the aesthetic and design quality of exterior changes.
  5. Public Review: Federal law mandates public comment periods for significant projects impacting historic sites.
What the President Controls:
  • Interior furnishings, paint colors, and décor.
  • Minor, non-structural updates, sometimes with private funds.
What Requires Approval:
  • Adding or removing major structures (wings, floors).
  • Demolition or reconstruction.
  • Any changes affecting the building's architecture or footprint.
Tearing the East Wing down is not a minor, non-structural update.

Trump has totally ignored the fact that the Congress is a co-equal branch of the goverment and that branch carries out oversight. Trump has thwarted that oversight in many ways.

they deployed dozens of approaches to impede congressional oversight, including:​

  • Refusing to comply with congressional requests for documents and witnesses;
  • Refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas for documents and witnesses;
  • Directing officials and private individuals not to provide information to Congress;
  • Firing and demoting government officials who provided information to Congress;
  • Producing irrelevant or redacted materials;
  • Imposing unreasonable conditions on document reviews;
  • Using nondisclosure agreements to block federal officials and private companies from providing information to Congress;
  • Filing lawsuits to prevent third parties from complying with congressional subpoenas;
  • Refusing to provide briefings for members and staff;
  • Blocking access to federal facilities;
  • Violating statutory obligations to disclose information to Congress; and
  • Refusing to respond to requests from GAO.

He is not a king.
 
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The evil on my side is not even close to the evil the other side practices. Trump’s morality is not an evil of my side, it is a personal morality. I don’t call your side evil because Biden has dementia, I call your side evil because TPTB behind him hid it from the public because to get rid of Biden meant Kamala would have to assume power and, at the time, EVERYONE on the left could see who Kamala was and NOBODY wanted her. They were trying to figure out how to get rid of her without sounding the DEI bell. So instead, they formed a shadow government around Biden and used him as their puppet. THAT is what was evil. As well as the policies they implemented through that process.
That whole argument belongs in Conspiracy Theories.
 
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Give me a break. Did you get mad and scream at Omama for tearing down a tennis court and adding a basketball court? Or Nixon for adding a bowling alley? Or at Truman for gutting the WHOLE INSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE and rebuilding the WHOLE inside of the building? Of course you didn’t. And the ONLY reason you are doing it now is because “Orange Man Bad”.
Truman DID get congressional permission for renovating the insides of the White House as it was for safety reasons - like nuclear bombs and spying.

Changing the tennis court for a basketball court is hardly the structural change that needed congressional approval. Nixon added a one-lane bowling alley using the WH maintenance budget. It was an upgrade, not a structural change. Ford was able to put in an outdoor pool after the one indoor was changed to a press room. He worked with the Dept. of the Interior (National Parks) to obtain donations for it. It was NOT a structural renovation to the WH>
 
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Give me a break. Did you get mad and scream at Omama for tearing down a tennis court and adding a basketball court? Or Nixon for adding a bowling alley? Or at Truman for gutting the WHOLE INSIDE OF THE WHITE HOUSE and rebuilding the WHOLE inside of the building? Of course you didn’t. And the ONLY reason you are doing it now is because “Orange Man Bad”.
Please stop:

Dual Use:
The Obama project simply involved adding basketball hoops and court lines to the existing tennis court surface, allowing for it to be used for both sports.
 
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Right. It is not his house that he can do major changes in without any consent from congress or running it by other groups per the law.

From Google AI, "what permissions are needed to renovate the White House?"

Renovating the White House requires approval from multiple federal bodies due to its status as a National Historic Landmark and federal property, with Congress controlling major funding and scope, while the National Park Service (NPS), National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC), and Commission of Fine Arts (CFA) oversee historical preservation, design, and planning, all subject to public review under laws like the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) and National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). Presidents can manage decor but need Congressional approval and extensive permits for structural changes, like the Truman reconstruction or recent East Wing additions.​
Key Permissions & Reviews:
  1. Congressional Authorization & Funding: Major projects, especially structural ones, need congressional approval for funding and scope, as the President can't unilaterally use federal funds for large construction.
  2. National Park Service (NPS): As the White House's custodian, the NPS reviews alterations for compliance with preservation laws (NHPA Section 106).
  3. National Capital Planning Commission (NCPC): Reviews design, planning, and environmental impacts for federal projects in the capital region.
  4. Commission of Fine Arts (CFA): Advises on the aesthetic and design quality of exterior changes.
  5. Public Review: Federal law mandates public comment periods for significant projects impacting historic sites.
What the President Controls:
  • Interior furnishings, paint colors, and décor.
  • Minor, non-structural updates, sometimes with private funds.
What Requires Approval:
  • Adding or removing major structures (wings, floors).
  • Demolition or reconstruction.
  • Any changes affecting the building's architecture or footprint.
Tearing the East Wing down is not a minor, non-structural update.

Trump has totally ignored the fact that the Congress is a co-equal branch of the goverment and that branch carries out oversight. Trump has thwarted that oversight in many ways.

they deployed dozens of approaches to impede congressional oversight, including:​

  • Refusing to comply with congressional requests for documents and witnesses;
  • Refusing to comply with congressional subpoenas for documents and witnesses;
  • Directing officials and private individuals not to provide information to Congress;
  • Firing and demoting government officials who provided information to Congress;
  • Producing irrelevant or redacted materials;
  • Imposing unreasonable conditions on document reviews;
  • Using nondisclosure agreements to block federal officials and private companies from providing information to Congress;
  • Filing lawsuits to prevent third parties from complying with congressional subpoenas;
  • Refusing to provide briefings for members and staff;
  • Blocking access to federal facilities;
  • Violating statutory obligations to disclose information to Congress; and
  • Refusing to respond to requests from GAO.

He is not a king.

A bunch of words no one understands will never have the power of "But Obama!!!!!!"
 
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Please stop:

Dual Use:
The Obama project simply involved adding basketball hoops and court lines to the existing tennis court surface, allowing for it to be used for both sports.
And what about Truman? Please explain that away with hoops and lines.
 
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What a bunch baloney! Trump is a world famous developer who turned a tired, failing, sleepy village into the global metropolis of Manhattan. Atlantic City was a failing travel plaza on highway 9 until Trump made it great. Trump is the most famous and recognized television personality the world over due to his successful reality shows. Trump won an Academy Award for his performance in the highly successful Home Alone franchise. Trump was Times Man of the Year over 50 times.

Go peddle your partisan lies somewhere else. We deal with absolute truth in Trumpland.
He built a fabulous casino on the dilapidated town square in Hill Valley. Respect the man.
 
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Truman DID get congressional permission for renovating the insides of the White House as it was for safety reasons - like nuclear . combs and spying.

Changing the tennis court for a basketball court is hardly the structural change that needed congressional approval. Nixon added a one-lane bowling alley using the WH maintenance budget. It was an upgrade, not a structural change. Ford was able to put in an outdoor pool after the one indoor was changed to a press room. He worked with the Dept. of the Interior (National Parks) to obtain donations for it. It was NOT a structural renovation to the WH>
Truman had to get congressional approval because it had to be funded by Congress.

The West Wing was over 100 years old and was becoming structurally unsound and there were already plans submitted to rebuild it that had been approved. When the plans were altered to include a ballroom, the approval was not withdrawn, in fact the board said that they didn’t believe the changes amounted to needing new approval, the hold-up was the feds. It was not until months after it was torn down (kind of late to want to get involved) that the Parks service decided they needed to be involved. If they really needed to be involved, they should have stepped forward when the original plans were laid.
 
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All opinion spouted by the fanantic left. Just like all the other lies told all across media that later had to be retracted (though done in small print so that nobody noticed the retractions.). And again, the laws were retroactively changed so Trump could be prosecuted.
It was always against the law to commit fraud. NO laws were changed to find him guilty of fraud with the Trump University or for misusing funds from the Foundation for his personal use. It has always been against the law to lie or deceive on tax forms. And there was lots of evidence for his 34 convictions.
You do know, don’t you, that people who are not shallow can focus on more than one thing at a time?
Do tell. This question begs for a smart-aleck response.....but I won't.

Tell me why the left is soooo consumed that Trump is having a ballroom added to the White House, AT NO COST TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, to be utilized by every administration after his, that will save taxpayers millions of dollars? Why is that? Why does the left hate the American taxpayer so much that they are willing to waste their hard-earned money on something that is being provided for free?
Because he ignoring the law again. There are laws in place requiring Congressional approval for structural changes to the White House which is not Trump's personal property. See post #104.
It is the habit of the some on the right to immediately assume what turns out to be a lie. The left doesn't hate the American taxpayer as they are American taxpayers. What they love is the Constitution and the Law which this president ignores.
I also will not believe it is free till it finally gets done. What I suspect is it will be like his wall that Mexico did not pay for.

Why is the left so dead set against the safety of the tax paying American people that they are willing to kill policemen doing their job who are trying to protect citizens from violent illegal alien criminals?
The left is not willing to kill policeman. The MAGA folks at J6 were the ones willing to kill policemen and harm them. I have plenty of videos to post. Why is the right so dead set against the safely of tax paying American people that they think it is okay to send undertrained thugs into neighborhoods and harass American citizens and kill them?

According to the data on deportations, 70 - 73% do NOT have criminal records and the rest mostly have immigration violations or minor offences. It seems the real bad criminals are staying out of reach.


Why??? Why is the left on the wrong side of these issues?

Don’t bother preaching at me if you are not going to answer my questions. I am not in church, I am on a discussion board.
The right is on the wrong side of these issues. Trump is on the wrong side. Otherwise he would not have resisted true immigration reform which would have increased the number of judges and agents but also provide for refugees and green card holders to work jobs without being grabbed by Trumps private army.
 
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Truman had to get congressional approval because it had to be funded by Congress.

The West Wing was over 100 years old and was becoming structurally unsound and there were already plans submitted to rebuild it that had been approved. When the plans were altered to include a ballroom, the approval was not withdrawn, in fact the board said that they didn’t believe the changes amounted to needing new approval, the hold-up was the feds. It was not until months after it was torn down (kind of late to want to get involved) that the Parks service decided they needed to be involved. If they really needed to be involved, they should have stepped forward when the original plans were laid.
Truman had to get congressional approval because it is required by law when it is structural change, regardless of who finances it.

Just getting someone to fund it does not mean he can tear things down at will and alter the structure.
 
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I obviously did pick a team as I went on to explain. Presidents come and go, it is the team I am voting for. The team that puts the citizens of the USA first, the people who pay the taxes, the people the US Constitution was written for.
Except for people the Left, who you think can be gunned down with impunity and have the President, Vice President and head of DHS come on TV and lie about what happened.
 
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It was always against the law to commit fraud. NO laws were changed to find him guilty of fraud with the Trump University or for misusing funds from the Foundation for his personal use. It has always been against the law to lie or deceive on tax forms. And there was lots of evidence for his 34 convictions.

The law was amended to state that there needed to be a victim for fraud to be fraud, and many business men involved in the development business, and even bankers involved specifically with Trump’s ventures, demonstrated that there were no victims. So the prosecutor went to the old, outdated definition prosecute, even though there were no victims.

Because he ignoring the law again. There are laws in place requiring Congressional approval for structural changes to the White House which is not Trump's personal property. See post #104.
It is the habit of the some on the right to immediately assume what turns out to be a lie. The left doesn't hate the American taxpayer as they are American taxpayers. What they love is the Constitution and the Law which this president ignores.
I also will not believe it is free till it finally gets done. What I suspect is it will be like his wall that Mexico did not pay for.


The left is not willing to kill policeman. The MAGA folks at J6 were the ones willing to kill policemen and harm them. I have plenty of videos to post. Why is the right so dead set against the safely of tax paying American people that they think it is okay to send undertrained thugs into neighborhoods and harass American citizens and kill them?

According to the data on deportations, 70 - 73% do NOT have criminal records and the rest mostly have immigration violations or minor offences. It seems the real bad criminals are staying out of reach.



The right is on the wrong side of these issues. Trump is on the wrong side. Otherwise he would not have resisted true immigration reform which would have increased the number of judges and agents but also provide for refugees and green card holders to work jobs without being grabbed by Trumps private army.
Trump, during his first term, offered to give legal immigration status to those here under Onama’s illegal DACA program if Congress agreed to fund the border wall. The Democrats in Congress refused.

Trump also wanted to appoint more immigration judges so the wait would not be forever , but again, the democrats in Congress said no.

Tell me who is on the wrong side of the debate again.
 
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The law was amended to state that there needed to be a victim for fraud to be fraud, and many business men involved in the development business, and even bankers involved specifically with Trump’s ventures, demonstrated that there were no victims. So the prosecutor went to the old, outdated definition prosecute, even though there were no victims.


Trump, during his first term, offered to give legal immigration status to those here under Onama’s illegal DACA program if Congress agreed to fund the border wall. The Democrats in Congress refused.

Trump also wanted to appoint more immigration judges so the wait would not be forever , but again, the democrats in Congress said no.

Tell me who is on the wrong side of the debate again.
You are The Democrats thought the wall was an engineering boondoggle and wanted to give more reenforcement and technical upgrades to CBP instead and only use enlarged physical barriers where tactically appropriate. But oh, no, it had to be the wall or nothing. So we got part of an "impenetrable wall"--which can be cut through in minutes using a portable saw available at convenient Home Depot locations throughout northern Mexico for $79.95 (about 1500 Pesos).
 
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The law was amended to state that there needed to be a victim for fraud to be fraud, and many business men involved in the development business, and even bankers involved specifically with Trump’s ventures, demonstrated that there were no victims. So the prosecutor went to the old, outdated definition prosecute, even though there were no victims.
No, there was no special change in the law in order for his civil or criminal prosecution for fraud to take place. The law they used still stands.
The appeals court in the civil case upheld the liablity for the Trump corp. for fraud but threw out the penalty as excessive. NY should have taken it back for reconsideration of the amount of the penalty. The fact remains they were civilly liable for fraud.
Trump, during his first term, offered to give legal immigration status to those here under Onama’s illegal DACA program if Congress agreed to fund the border wall. The Democrats in Congress refused.
No, in 2017 he attempted to end DACA but the SCOTUS blocked it. His attempt to offer citizenship included more than the wall.
Then in 2024, a large bipartisan immigration bill was expected to pass but Trump called Republican Reps and Senators because he did nto want it to pass. It would have made Biden look better and he did not want that. 000000

Trump also wanted to appoint more immigration judges so the wait would not be forever , but again, the democrats in Congress said no.

Tell me who is on the wrong side of the debate again.
Actually it was the Democratic Reps and Senators who wanted the large bipartisan immigration reform bill in 2024 that would have increased the number of judges and agents, while making a path for people to work and eventual citizenship - but Trump did not want that so called Republicans and told them not to pass it.
The Republicans are on the wrong side of history.
 
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You are The Democrats thought the wall was an engineering boondoggle and wanted to give more reenforcement and technical upgrades to CBP instead and only use enlarged physical barriers where tactically appropriate. But oh, no, it had to be the wall or nothing. So we got part of an "impenetrable wall"--which can be cut through in minutes using a portable saw available at convenient Home Depot locations throughout northern Mexico for $79.95 (about 1500 Pesos).
That is a non-excuse. The democrats have voted to not restrict the flow of people across the border at every turn, AND when they held the majority in both the House and the Senate, they refused to pass any legislation speaking to the immigration issue at. all.

And the reason I assume that they did this is because you can’t campaign on a resolved issue. So instead of fixing a problem that has been a major problem for this country for years to make this country safe and sovereign (funny how, for the left, every other country gets to be sovereign but ours, but I digress), they let it drag on and on so they can continue to use it as a campaign promise and to build their voting block and representation base.
 
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