Hundreds protest in Minneapolis after ICE officer kills Renee Nicole Macklin Good

wing2000 said:

Additionally, his body cam shows the following: [correction -- it was not a body cam, rather, video from his phone]
1) He get out of his car and approaches the Honda. As he comes around the front, the first time, he can see the driver is turning the steering wheel while backing up slowly. Clearly, she's starting to position the car in preperation to leave.
2) She calmly says "dude, I'm not mad at you" as he passes by her front door (window is down)
3) A dog is clearly visible in the back seat as are the stuffed toys in the passenger side area
4) The other woman who approaches the passenger side is more confrontive, mocking the officer ..."you wanna come at us..." "big boy go get some lunch" (she later attempts to enter the vehicle but it appears the passenger door is locked)
5) As he crosses in front of the vehicle, he can clearly see the driver, including her hands turning the steering wheel the opposite direction preparing to move forward.
6) As he approaches the driver side front vendor, she starts forward....and shots are fired
7) As he walks away he says.....(can't write that here) but let's just say it doesn't help his cause.

I maintain:
1) He had ample opportunity to assess the scene and the driver. She was calm and non-confrontational giving him no reason to believe she was a threat.
2) He could clearly see she was backing up to position the vehicle to leave the area.
3) He manuevered away from the vehicle when it pulled forward.

At no time was he in danger of loosing his life. Nor did he have reason to believe this driver was motivated to intentionally hit him based on her demeanor and actions.

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Geoffrey Alpert, a professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of South Carolina, questioned why the ICE agent would place himself in front of a moving car.

Alpert said the officer’s positioning could be an example of officer-created jeopardy. “The crux of officer-created jeopardy is putting yourself in a position to use force in response to whatever the suspect’s doing, as opposed to just reacting to protect his own life or someone else’s,” said Alpert.



Why did he chose to place himself in front of a vehicle that was in the process of leaving? As I noted previously....

1) He had ample opportunity to assess the scene and the driver. She was calm and non-confrontational giving him no reason to believe she was a threat.
2) He could clearly see she was backing up to position the vehicle to leave the area.

If you are approaching a car that is out of position - in this case, parked diagonally across an icy street - and it starts to back up at an angle to position itself to move forward....what do you do? Would you walk in front of the anticipated path of the vehicle?

I doubt there is *any* police or DHS policy that calls for an officer to place himself of a vehicle.

ThatRobGuy said:

It's between the 24-30 second mark...

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I don't hear tires squealing.

Praying in accordance with God's will here.
I had to think and pray about this overnight rather than just post regarding the death of Renee Good in Minneapolis. It's sad all the way around on many levels. Sometimes I can be a John the Baptist, and I've posted the following where Woke anti Christians have been screaming:
"Her "wife." There is no such thing as a woman having a wife. Nor a man having a husband. It is sin, and an abomination.
The wages of sin is death.
Sad those kids lost their mother, but what kind of example to a little child is a woman engaged in a lustful ungodly relationship?
It is hellish! Woe unto those who offend a little child.
God is our Creator, and made the way wherein we should walk, and live. Man chooses to live contrary. You reap what you sow.
Im not saying the shooting was justified. I dont know. Everything happens so quickly. (I've had military training and other kinds of training, and can tell you, things can happen so fast, your reaction time is like 0, and from your perception it may be life or death. I've seen the front view video. The ICE agent was struck by her vehicle, however, in my opinion he shouldn't have placed himself in a vulnerable position so close, but gone wide, and cleared himself from the potential path.)
But living in sin makes you vulnerable to an untimely demise.
"Be not over much wicked, neither be thou foolish: why shouldest thou die before thy time." - Ecclesiastes 7:17
Prayers for all involved.
And praying that people repent, and turn to the LORD Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation, confessing your sins, and forsaking all wickedness.
There is no other way to be saved and inherit eternal life.
And if Renee wasnt doing something that warranted the shooting, it just shows how quickly things can happen, and then you are facing the judgment of an Almighty and holy God.
And she certainly wasn't completely innocent! (She was parked across a roadway, did not comply with an order, and argued with officers, placing herself in danger. People need to realize that engaging in any way in a public protest makes you vulnerable to danger, either from the law enforcement, or from fellow protesters)

Turn to Jesus, for today is the day of salvation.
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I'm also going to share this from Hosea 10:10-14, which speaks to such situations:
"It is in my desire that I should chastise them; and the people shall be gathered against them, when they shall bind themselves in their two furrows.
And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods.
Sow to yourselves in righteousness, reap in mercy; break up your fallow ground: for it is time to seek the LORD, till he come and rain righteousness upon you.
Ye have plowed wickedness, ye have reaped iniquity; ye have eaten the fruit of lies: because thou didst trust in thy way, in the multitude of thy mighty men.
Therefore shall a tumult arise among thy people, and all thy fortresses shall be spoiled, as Shalman spoiled Betharbel in the day of battle: the mother was dashed in pieces upon her children."

People plow wickedness, then justify wickedness, believing lies, trusting in themselves, and a tumultuous arises among the people. People get hurt, and sometimes killed in such situations. It's truly sad, but we live in a fallen world.

I share the following 2 scriptures often, especially regarding war and violence.
"Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. " - Hebrews 12:14
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called the children of God. " - Matthew 5:9

Pray for those cities, as they were ground zero in 2020 also. Pray for all leaders, and the nation. Pray for the children especially.
"Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, THY WILL BE DONE, on earth as it is in heaven."

ThatRobGuy said:

What's the high pitched sound that occurs between the officer saying "get out of the car" and "whoa!"?

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I can't discern a tire squealing.

If you look at the first video released (front view of the vehicle), the left front tire appears to slip a bit when the car starts to role forward. That's understandable given the street is visibly wet and icy in spots (the officers are visibly slipping at times).

ThatRobGuy said:

He's still completely to the right of her car at this point.

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...yes, the angle changed as she backs up. But, he also walking from the right to the left side of the car as evidence by his own recording.

ThatRobGuy said:

What's the high pitched sound that occurs between the officer saying "get out of the car" and "whoa!"?

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Since the wheel isn't spinning in the video that shows the wheels of the vehicle, it's not from a squealing tire.

ThatRobGuy said:

What's the high pitched sound that occurs between the officer saying "get out of the car" and "whoa!"?

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Sounds like it could be engine noise while reversing.

ThatRobGuy said:

Yes, but if you look at my previous post, the vehicle wasn't moving at the time when he started coming around the front (evidenced by the fact that the back-up lights weren't on when he initially started going in that direction.

So he didn't jump out in front of a moving vehicle, he was walking around the front of a stationary vehicle, it started moving between the time he started walking over to the left side (at which point she reverses putting him right in front of it, and then hits the gas)

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He is knowingly walking in front of a running vehicle and that put him at risk. He should have been aware of that.

ThatRobGuy said:

Notice the location of the bullet hole in windshield. The shape of the bullet hole itself indicates it was fired from the forward angle. As does the location of the bullet hole and the fact that it hit the person in the drivers seat. A bullet entering the windshield at that location fired from a side angle would have missed the driver.

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I posted the following in another thread a couple of days ago, but will share it again here. You will see at least one of his feet are to the left of the vehicle when he has his gun drawn, and the first shot was taken when both of his feet are to the left of the vehicle.

I went frame by frame and aligned images by using the sound of the gunshots from two different angles. The video that was taken from a distance makes it appear that the agent was struck by the vehicle, but the one that is closer to the scene doesn't appear to show that he was. Once he walks around to the front of the vehicle, he leans into it drawing his gun when it begins to move forward. This can be seen in the first image below. I circled the gun in yellow and the position of his foot in red. You will notice the wheel of the vehicle is already turned away from the agent as the woman attempts to avoid hitting him. He fires the first shot after his body is clear of the vehicle and the second two after he is no longer in any danger. The bottom images are numbered in the order each shot was fired.

I know in the heat of the moment the agent may have felt he was in danger. He may have even been slightly grazed as the vehicle went past him after putting himself in a position where that could happen, but one thing that is crystal clear from the videos and witness testimonies is that this woman had no intention of hitting anyone, and she was not a domestic terrorist as the Trump administration claims. The statements that were put out by ICE, Noem, and Trump yesterday on what took place were untrue.

ThatRobGuy said:

In the part of the video I referenced, the vehicle is in forward motion when the sound occurs

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Regardless, it sounds like a vehicle noise and not from tires. Also, I’ve never heard tires squeal on ice but they will slip.

ThatRobGuy said:

If the driver was indeed calm and non-confrontational, then why would he have had any particular safety concerns about walking around the vehicle while it was stationary?

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Under no circunstances should he have placed himself in front of a vehicle with the engine running and a driver behind the wheel. He didn't follow proper training or protocol and put himself in a dangerous situation.

ThatRobGuy said:

If the driver was indeed calm and non-confrontational, then why would he have had any particular safety concerns about walking around the vehicle while it was stationary?

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Well, common sense for one, but to your statement, assuming he believes the driver non-confrontational, thus feels secure to walk in front , then why immediately switch to deadly force as she turns to move away? Even if he was hit or at risk for being hit, he should have been aware that he put himself in the path of this vehicle.

BCP1928 said:

Her blood was hardly dry on the street before she was publically proclaimed a domestic terrorist killed while attacking an ICE agent with a deadly weapon, over and over by Noem, by Vance and by Trump.

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In a blistering op-ed column on Thursday, the National Catholic Reporteraccused Vance of “justifying” Good’s killing, saying his comments are “a moral stain on the collective witness of our Catholic faith.”

Catholic Vice President Vance takes to social media to justify killing of Renee Good​

The Trump administration was quick to demonize Good. Within hours of the event and before a formal investigation could even be launched, Homeland Security Director Kristi Noem labeled Good's actions as an "act of domestic terrorism." President Donald Trump on Jan. 7 labeled her as "disorderly, obstructing and resisting, who then violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer." Trump went on to say that the ICE officer was lucky to be alive and "is now recovering in the hospital."

Today, JD Vance has taken to social media to justify the shooting and blame Good for her own death.

At the time of publication of this piece, at no point has Vance tweeted any remorse, prayers or condolences regarding Good and her loved ones. Instead, Vance continued his storm of social media posts the morning after the shooting — this time leaning into divisive, tribalistic language to demonize Democrats.

[numerous examples of Vance doing so and continuing a very one-sided view of the incident.]

As a Catholic, Vance knows better than to peddle this brand of gaslighting and agitation. Vance knows that, by virtue of her humanity, Good was endowed with inherent dignity, made in the image and likeness of God. Vance knows that only God can take life. Vance knows that protesting, fleeing or even interfering in an ICE investigation (which there is no evidence that Good did) does not carry a death sentence. Vance knows that lying and killing are sins.

Vance knows. He doesn't care. Vance’s twisted and wrongheaded view of Christianity has been repudiated by two popes. His Catholicism seems to be little more than a political prop, a tool only for his career ambitions and desire for power.

The vice president's comments justifying the death of Renee Good are a moral stain on the collective witness of our Catholic faith. His repeated attempts to blame Good for her own death are fundamentally incompatible with the Gospel. Our only recourse is to pray for his conversion of heart.

ThatRobGuy said:

So to recap the previous posts (because there's some conflicting information happening)

There was one person insisting he was at the side of the vehicle
Another that's citing criminology professor saying "why would he put himself in the front of the vehicle like that?"

Then one person saying "you can see the tire spinning in the one video, but that's expected since the streets were wet"
Another saying "the wheel wasn't spinning"

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I am only commenting on what I can observe in videos.

ThatRobGuy said:

But to the one part above.


As noted, the vehicle was stationary at the time he started walking around the front of the vehicle. She backed up after he was already "in-stride".
(I posted the captures showing when the backup lights were off and on, relative to the timing of his walk around the front)

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When he got out of his vehicle and made his first pass in front of the vehicle, the driver is visibily turning the steering wheel, positioning the wheel angle to back up. She then pauses as he comes around to her open window and she states --- dude, I'm not mad at you.

ThatRobGuy said:

Saying the situation was "non-confrontational" would be a stretch, once the passenger has already jumped out and yelled "come at me", I think that goes out the window... but that aside.

If the driver was indeed calm and non-confrontational, then why would he have had any particular safety concerns about walking around the vehicle while it was stationary?

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Why would he place himself in the potential path of the vehicle when he could observe she was preparing the vehicle to move?

I'm going to have to give it to the ICE officer here. There's too much reasonable doubt to convict him of anything.