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Hundreds protest in Minneapolis after ICE officer kills Renee Nicole Macklin Good

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Taking the backpack completely out of the equation, Ashli Babbitt wasn't alone. She was part of a much larger violent mob. Unfortunately for her, she was the first one coming through the window. Had the officer not shot her, the last line of defense between the mob and members of Congress would have been breached, and January 6th would have ended up being a worse day than it already was.
Just like the ICE agent could have moved out of the way, Byrd could have stopped Babbitt from coming through the window without shooting her.
 
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Byrd could have stopped Babbitt from coming through the window without shooting her.
Officer Byrd would have had to put himself in grave danger if he had tried to stop her any other way. Again, she was not alone. There were several others trying to breach the doors at the same time she was. Getting up close and personal with her or any of the other people trying to get through those doors in a effort to try and stop them wasn't an option.
 
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Officer Byrd would have had to put himself in grave danger if he had tried to stop her any other way. Again, she was not alone. There were several others trying to breach the doors at the same time she was. Getting up close and personal with her or any of the other people trying to get through those doors in a effort to try and stop them wasn't an option.
He actually was quite close to her, as in right on the other side of the door. He could have used pepper spray to repel the entire crowd. Instead, he used a firearm against an unarmed woman.
Now before you say that the lesbian woman in the video in Minneapolis was unarmed, remember that she had a vehicle that weighed thousands of pounds and could run someone over very easily and kill them. That's not to say that shooting her was the correct thing to do, but it is a fact that a vehicle can easily be used as a weapon.
 
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He actually was quite close to her, as in right on the other side of the door. He could have used pepper spray to repel the entire crowd. Instead, he used a firearm against an unarmed woman.
He was 15 feet away and didn't have any pepper spray, so that wasn't an option.

Now before you say that the lesbian woman in the video in Minneapolis was unarmed, remember that she had a vehicle that weighed thousands of pounds and could run someone over very easily and kill them. That's not to say that shooting her was the correct thing to do, but it is a fact that a vehicle can easily be used as a weapon.
Yes, a vehicle can be used as a weapon and often is, but in this case the evidence shows she was trying to leave the scene and avoid hitting any of the officers in the process. There's no indication that her intent was to kill anyone.
 
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I don't think AI is a factor in this one

The video has been verified by CBS News' Confirmed team. The agent seen in the reflection of the car matches the agent seen in other verified footage.
I also saw (on the TikTok machine) a video of the street where this t-rex is…a couple of doors down there’s a large shark, as well.

As to the video from Officer(?) Ross, he had had the phone in his right hand and after talking with the wife, switched it to his left hand. Was this to have easy access to his service weapon, had he planned on drawing it out then?
 
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Yes, in the context of a time sensitive situation where the police are outnumbered by a mob of people, and an SUV parks across the road to block them, and people are getting out of cars to be confrontational, that's an equal level of provocation.
No, it really isn't.
Noting, that same officer had been in that situation before, and ended up getting dragged 100 yards by a person pulling the "hit the gas" routine.

He busted out a window, tased the guy, and his arm got stuck. More poor judgment on his part. Sounds like he really just shouldn't be allowed around cars, TBH.
For the record, people have been whining and complaining when they use non-lethal force as well.

When mobs of people surround them and deploy tear gas, people pee and moan about that as well and claim it's assault.
So, what, because they complain about the use of non-lethal force they can't complain about lethal force?
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CBP and ICE both have extensive, documented issues with their use of force, both lethal and non-lethal, over the past year. There are undoubtedly situations in which it's appropriate to apply both, but the frequent use of excessive force in situations where it was not warranted have, understandably, made a lot of people skeptical about any use of force
Not true.

You're conveniently drawing the line in the place (for this case specifically) where you want it to be in order to lay the blame solely at the feet of the people who are on the team you don't like.
Nope. If, for whatever reason, she had decided to run over the officer, I'd be blaming her for escalating to lethal force. But she didn't.
So when those protestors were out blocking roads, and some cars would occasionally do a slow roll and end up bumping into them until they'd eventually get out of the road, and then they'd scream bloody murder and people would say "that should be considered attempted murder, they have no right to bump a person with their car"

Those people claiming that the drivers of the cars should be charged are wrong then, correct? After all, the people could've just moved and gotten out of the way instead of standing in the road.
I've never said that she shouldn't have been charged with a crime if she did bump the officer. The "move out of the way" qualifier is part of the guidelines around use of lethal force, so unless you're arguing that protestors should be allowed to shoot drivers if they think they're in danger of being hit, I don't see the relevance.
Likewise, the woman in this situation had ample opportunity to say "my bad, I'll move my car and get out of here" and that likely would've been the end of it.
That is, quite literally, what she was doing when she was shot. Her last words - to the officer who would go on to shoot her less than 30 seconds later - were "It's fine, I'm not mad at you."
 
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What investigation? The verdict is already in.
You mean like the verdict from the Jayor and the governor?
It was official official statements of the government, not rhetoric.
I believe oficial statements can also be rhetoric. I'm surprised you don't.
 
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Well I'm glad you can read his mind. I dont think mind reading is a legitimate factor in legal proceedings.
No need to read minds. His own words right after killing her give him away.
 
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Nope. If, for whatever reason, she had decided to run over the officer, I'd be blaming her for escalating to lethal force. But she didn't.
This is pretty much what I thought. You want him to be run over before he uses force. I mean in a previous post you admitted he was struck by the vehicle. So now tge standard is he needed to be run over. Good grief.
Her last words - to the officer who would go on to shoot her less than 30 seconds later - were "It's fine, I'm not mad at you."
Unfortunately her actions said something different when she accelerated at him.
 
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This is pretty much what I thought. You want him to be run over before he uses force. I mean in a previous post you admitted he was struck by the vehicle. So now tge standard is he needed to be run over. Good grief.

Unfortunately her actions said something different when she accelerated at him.
I don’t think she did that. I saw video from different angles and it looks to me like she was trying to run off.
I have to say that Trump calling her a ”domestic terrorist” was disgraceful. A good leader would shut up and let the investigations begin.
 
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Those on the left are really twisting themselves into a pretzel to try and defend this woman’s actions.

The body cam debunks the claim that she was receiving conflicting orders from the ice officers. An officer is clearly heard shouting orders for her to get out of the vehicle several times. She doesn’t comply. It is in fact her partner that shouts “Drive, Baby, drive!” As the officer is in front of the car, which could suggest her partner wanted her to run the officer over.

It’s sad this woman lost her life, but to quote another member on the Ashli Babbitt thread “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
 
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Those on the left are really twisting themselves into a pretzel to try and defend this woman’s actions.

The body cam debunks the claim that she was receiving conflicting orders from the ice officers. An officer is clearly heard shouting orders for her to get out of the vehicle several times. She doesn’t comply. It is in fact her partner that shouts “Drive, Baby, drive!” As the officer is in front of the car, which could suggest her partner wanted her to run the officer over.

It’s sad this woman lost her life, but to quote another member on the Ashli Babbitt thread “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.”
I’m not defending her actions. She refused to obey a command and was trying to run off. I think that’s against the law. But it’s no excuse to kill her.
 
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Likewise, the woman in this situation had ample opportunity to say "my bad, I'll move my car and get out of here" and that likely would've been the end of it.
Gotcha. It's either "my bad, I'll move my car and get out of here" or get shot in the face.

While I'm here, can you comment on Trump saying that the officer and others were hurt. In fact, Trump said he'd actually been run over: "violently, willfully, and viciously ran over the ICE Officer...based on the attached clip'.

We've all seen the clips. Trump was lying. We all know that. Why do you think he lied yet again? Why is telling the truth so very difficult for him?
 
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I’m not defending her actions. She refused to obey a command and was trying to run off. I think that’s against the law. But it’s no excuse to kill her.

How do you know? The investigation hasn’t even concluded yet.

If the investigation finds that this officer was justified like in the case of the officer who shot Ashli Babbitt, will you still call it an excuse?
 
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How do you know? The investigation hasn’t even concluded yet.

If the investigation finds that this officer was justified like in the case of the officer who shot Ashli Babbitt, will you still call it an excuse?
If the investigation is on the upand up, fair and impartial, then I’d abide by their conclusions.
 
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An interesting thing about comparing the deaths of Ashley Babbitt and Renee Good is that both sides of the political spectrum considers one an innocent victim and the other a domestic terrorist. However,

Both were killed by Federal Law Enforcement and both were killed during the Trump Administration.
 
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You mean like the verdict from the Jayor and the governor?

I believe oficial statements can also be rhetoric. I'm surprised you don't.
“Official statements” that are rhetorical is the very definition of “propaganda“, thanks.
 
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