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Hundreds protest in Minneapolis after ICE officer kills Renee Nicole Macklin Good

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From one of her neighbors, that witness the shooting. Was screening at ICE . You just killed my neighbor. So, she was in her own neighbor hood. She just dropped her 6 year boy at school. There might have been a confusion on both sides. I'm not sure why would be happening, in the streets. While snowing. Vance said give him a break. And basically described the officer was in some kind of terrible on job accident. 6 months ago. Which sounds he should have been there, because had PTSD.
IIRC the officer was in a similar situation where someone try to run him over and dragged him causing some injuries. I agree with you that maybe he should not have been there if he had some form of ptsd.
 
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Any suggestion that the event was anything other than a dangerous domestic terrorist attacking an ICE agent is "inflammatory rhetoric." You're supposed to accept the official story, be dutiful and obedient to your betters and the next time you see an ICE agent be sure to tug your forelock.
 
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Yes, that's what I said. He steps in front of the car, blocking its path away from the scene. That's placing himself in unnecessary danger.
The car wasnt moving forward when he was moving around front of it. Which is perfectly fine to do. He shouldn't be expecting the driver to put the car in drive and rhen accelerate toward him.
It's debatable as to whether what she was doing was criminal or that they had any legal justification to detain her.
I don't believe it is. Witness confirmed that she was part of the group trying to block and interfere and prevent ICE from doing their job. She was trying block them. They had every right to detain her.
Regardless though, because she was not doing anything threatening, there was no need to ensure her detention at the scene - especially to the extent of putting officers and bystanders at further risk.
Of course there was a need to detain her. Its irrelevant completely, if she was not doing anything directly threatening up until that moment. SHE is the one that put rhem at risk when SHE elected to accelerate away from the officers who were attempting to detain her.
And then, rather than attempt to de-escalate, as is their responsibility as law enforcement officers, the ICE agents escalated further.
The responsibility to de-escalate does not include letting violators go or NOT commanding her to stop and get out of the car. De-escalation does not mean officers are not supposed to issue commands.
Completely appropriate - law enforcement has a duty to de-escalate, and they're the ones with the guns.
See above
Sure - assuming that they are an offender.
She was. And according to the Terry Stop case LE is allowed to stop you when you are seen in circumstances which lead an officer to believe you have been, are or about to commit an offense.
And shooting at a vehicle in order to stop it is not a legitimate response from LE.
It is if the officer has reason to believe he is in danger of serious bodily injury and death. Especially when he has a second to make that decision when a vehicle is accelerating toward them.
 
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It’s the federal agents harassing people in her neighborhood that put her in this situation. If this were a more professional force that had the respect of the public these kinds of incidents wouldn’t happen.
Federal agents doing their lawful duty to enforce democratically created laws are not harassing anyone.

If people would leave them alone these incidents wouldnt happen.
 
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Any suggestion that the event was anything other than a dangerous domestic terrorist attacking an ICE agent is "inflammatory rhetoric." You're supposed to accept the official story, be dutiful and obedient to your betters and the next time you see an ICE agent be sure to tug your forelock.
Tug your forelock? lol Have not heard that in ages.
 
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She was getting out of the way when she was killed.

It’s looking more like this hothead officer’s emotions are what led to her death. This man should not have a gun and be in a position of authority over anyone until he gets his feelings in check. Even according to VP Vance, he’s suffering from PTSD from a previous encounter. He was a liability waiting to happen.
I’d like it if some investigative reporter would talk to the mall where he had been previously employed*, for background information.

*probably
 
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Federal agents doing their lawful duty to enforce democratically created laws are not harassing anyone.
No, they have to harass people to harass them. You don't want to go down that "democratically elected laws" rabbit hole. There are too many executive orders, edicts from Noem and Homan, and court rulings ignored in between.
If people would leave them alone these incidents wouldnt happen.
Be sure and tug your forelock.;)
 
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Breaking***

Video from ICE agent of the encounter released

(I checked, you don't actually see anything grizzly as far as the shooting goes)

So, this introduces some new information (and dispels some previous assumptions)

The story of "she was just parked there inadvertently, and was just so scared by the situation, she hit the gas out of instinct" is clearly not true.

1) The exchange went on for a bit, and she and a friend are smack-talking while she flashes a cocky grin at the first officer saying "what are you mad? haha, cuz I'm not mad, why don't you show your face", while her friend who appeared to have exited the vehicle and was actually moving toward the officer (as he appeared to be walking away) "you wanna come at us!?!? why do you go get some lunch big boy" And they also said "that's okay, we don't change our plates, so it'll be the same plates when you see us again later"

2) "He could've easily moved out of the way", this video shows that things were happening a lot more quickly than the fuzzy/grainy other footage was depicting.
The t-rex is odd, maybe it’s really there, maybe it’s an indication of AI manipulation?
 
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Use of force situations are always murky and contentious
They certainly can be. And thats why we have investigations and case law to deal with them.
What made it really bad was the reaction. Her blood was hardly dry on the street before she was publically proclaimed a domestic terrorist killed while attacking an ICE agent with a deadly weapon, over and over by Noem, by Vance and by Trump.
Yes I do think this kind of proclamation is not good. I don't believe she is a domestic terrorist. I think she was also agitator who was breaking the law. But a terrorist, no.

She did drive a 2000 lb vehicle at an agent and hit him with it. He had little to no time to fet out of the way as she was driving at him. He also had a second or less to respond which is no time really.

If he reasonably believed he was in danger of serious bodily injury in that split second then it was a legal use of force.
On the other hand, I don't have to be an expert to know that the response of the Adminstration was vicious and morally degenerate, a sign of the complete moral corruption of MAGA.

I think it was rhetoric and does not have a place in this conversation.
 
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Federal agents doing their lawful duty to enforce democratically created laws are not harassing anyone.
Yes they are.
If people would leave them alone these incidents wouldnt happen.
Wrong. If these officers were trained in using better judgment these incidents wouldn’t happen. It’s not like this is an isolated case. Jumpy police shooting people who didn’t need to be killed has been an ongoing issue in this country and we know ICE have even less training than a regular police officer, especially now with their lowered hiring standards. All of this could have easily been prevented if we had some professionals doing the job.
 
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You don't want to go down that "democratically elected laws" rabbit hole.
Yes I do. They are being asked to enforce democratically created laws. The fact that some don't want them to is irrelevant.
Be sure and tug your forelock.;)
More inflammatory rhetoric.
 
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They certainly can be. And thats why we have investigations and case law to deal with them.
What investigation? The verdict is already in.
Yes I do think this kind of proclamation is not good. I don't believe she is a domestic terrorist. I think she was also agitator who was breaking the law. But a terrorist, no.

She did drive a 2000 lb vehicle at an agent and hit him with it. He had little to no time to fet out of the way as she was driving at him. He also had a second or less to respond which is no time really.

If he reasonably believed he was in danger of serious bodily injury in that split second then it was a legal use of force.


I think it was rhetoric and does not have a place in this conversation.
It was official official statements of the government, not rhetoric.
 
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Yes I do. They are being asked to enforce democratically created laws. The fact that some don't want them to is irrelevant.

More inflammatory rhetoric.
What "democratically elected law" ordered them to ease up on gangsters and focus on meeting the 3000 per day quota, for instance?
 
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What "democratically elected law" ordered them to ease up on gangsters and focus on meeting the 3000 per day quota?
The disaster was caused by leaders who lied to the American public, claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed, while secretly even flying in more people. All to seize political control of the country. More than ten million during one administration. Human trafficking rose to a level not seen since here the Civil War. Rather than work through their elected representatives to change the law, entitled radicals are breaking the law and interfering with those who are trying to locate the missing children and arrest the violent criminals.
 
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If he reasonably believed he was in danger of serious bodily injury in that split second then it was a legal use of force
He wasn't in fear of serious injury, he was angry.
 
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The disaster was caused by leaders who lied to the American public, claiming the border was safe, secure, and closed, while secretly even flying in more people. All to seize political control of the country. More than ten million during one administration. Human trafficking rose to a level not seen since here the Civil War. Rather than work through their elected representatives to change the law, entitled radicals are breaking the law and interfering with those who are trying to locate the missing children and arrest the violent criminals.
That, from beginning to end, is a seditious lie. I am beginning to wonder about your actual loyalty to this country.
 
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Did I say it wasn't?

Not with anyone getting shot. Smack-talk definitely isn't illegal, let alone threatening.
But blocking their vehicle, while your friend hops out to jaw at the other officer certainly an escalation, wouldn't you say?

**Edit, according to the CBS coverage, the passenger was her wife, not a friend***

 
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The t-rex is odd, maybe it’s really there, maybe it’s an indication of AI manipulation?
I don't think AI is a factor in this one

The video has been verified by CBS News' Confirmed team. The agent seen in the reflection of the car matches the agent seen in other verified footage.
 
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