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Hundreds protest in Minneapolis after ICE officer kills Renee Nicole Macklin Good

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County attorney says ICE officer 'does not have complete immunity here'

Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty reiterated during Friday's press briefing that her office, which covers Minneapolis, has the jurisdiction to make any charging decision in Wednesday's deadly ICE shooting.

Renee Good's wife speaks out​

Renee Good’s wife, Becca Good, is speaking out in a statement to MPR News, saying Renee “lived by an overarching belief: there is kindness in the world and we need to do everything we can to find it where it resides and nurture it where it needs to grow.”
“Renee was a Christian who knew that all religions teach the same essential truth: we are here to love each other, care for each other, and keep each other safe and whole,” Becca Good told MPR.
 
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That's how ICE is portrayed by their trusted media, no changing their minds.
Portrayed? There hundred and hundreds if not thousands of videos of their interactions with the public to go off of. The media doesn’t even bother reporting most of the problems people are having with these ICE agents. There’s a whole thread here dedicated to the good community work ICE and DHS have been doing for the past year.
 
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Crikey. That’s very different from what I experience here in the UK. Police officers are uniformly polite and non-threatening whenever I’ve been pulled over.
I've had some very good polite officers, but unfortunately, I've encountered monsters as well.
 
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Aggressiveness breeds aggressiveness.
That goes both ways. ICE have taken an aggressive approach under this administration and people are naturally responding with aggression as well. A responsible agency would try to deescalate for the safety of both the public and their officers.

Not this agency under this administration though. They have no concern for the public they’ve been tasked with policing.
 
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He was walking around the car, filming it.
Which is fine.
As she reverses, he steps in front of the car and stops, then draws his gun and shoots as she starts to leave.
He steps in front of the car as he is filming and moving to his right. He does NOT draw his gun until she starts accelerating forward.
Again, surrounding, walking in front of, and trying to remove the driver from a vehicle who is not otherwise threatening anyone goes counter to every law enforcement guideline I've ever heard of.
Then you dont know any officers. Because officers stopping a driver to remove them.who has been involved in obstructing them and trying to prevent them from doing their jobs is a legitimate action. Good lord, there is NO expectation that cops are only allowed to stop and arrest people who are threatening them. Cops can stop and arrest ANYONE who is involved in criminal behavior whether they aee being threatened or not.
It's needless escalation that gets people - both law enforcement officers and civilians - injured or killed.
The escalation was on the part of the agitators on scene including the woman who had been attempting to prevent them from doing legitimate law enforcement.
I'm sure that will be the argument, and investigators will likely buy it. But it doesn't change the fact that a woman is dead because of the actions of ICE agents on Wednesday. There are many things that they could have done to de-escalate the situation, and as law enforcement officers, that is their responsibility.
And it IS a legitimate legal argument fully supported and established by the Supreme Court.

Yes a woman is dead. It is also incorrect to lay it all at the feet of ICE or the officer. De-escalation does NOT require that they just let offenders go. Commanding an offender to stop is a legitimate action of LE. Accelerating to get away from LE is not a legitimate response from a citizen. Especially when surrounded by LE.
 
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We can philosophy this all day long but in that short of time the agent didn't have a chance to think about what she might do in the future all the while trying to keep from getting run over.
All he had to do was move to his right and all would be fine. If his first thought in a split second is to draw his gun and kill somebody instead of just moving out of the way of a moving vehicle then maybe he shouldn’t have a gun and badge.
 
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My emphasis

Wow.

What shocking thing to just THROW out there as if that isn't a significant problem with governance in your country right now.
It all depends on who you ask but I don’t see how you would make your comment to me when a lot of folks here whine like crazy about Trump. I’m an independent and the specific proclamation that the poster that I answered brought up is not important to me.

BTW- thanks for disclosing that the bolding in my post was your emphasis. Proper posting etiquette is dropping here.
 
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Do they allow video evidence in court?
Yes and much more too. Using just a couple of videos to make up your mind and blame others is irresponsible.
So what' stopping you from having an opinion on this right now?
I don’t have the facts just speculation.
Oh! Great! So you can also see that she is NOT intending to use her vehicle for harm! Glad at least we're on the same page there.
Lol No. I’m not agreeing with your speculative conclusion.
 
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Unfortunately, due to the language used in the video, it would break forum rules for me to link to it.
Appreciate that. I’ll look it up when I get home.
 
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If only the ICE agents had made the correct choices. They could have easily left her go, and report her license information to the local police for follow-up. Instead, they engaged....
I f only she would have made the correct choices instead of accelerating her car when the officers are there and put them at risk she would still be alive.

This goes back to what I have been saying. Leave the agents to do their jobs and leave them alone. Go protest and march around their bosses places and demand they stop certain tactics if you dont like it. Contact your congressman if you don't want illegals picked up. Get the laws changed.
 
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That goes both ways. ICE have taken an aggressive approach under this administration and people are naturally responding with aggression as well. A responsible agency would try to deescalate for the safety of both the public and their officers.

Not this agency under this administration though. They have no concern for the public they’ve been tasked with policing.
Well, if you were being constantly harassed by activists then maybe you would get a bit more careful. As I stated earlier no one has the constitutional right to impede police operations or assault federal agents.
 
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The tire doesn't spin. When it breaks traction on the ice, it rotates about 1/2 a turn.

She was waving them to go around her because she was waiting on her wife to get in the car. An ICE agent had already asked the woman to move her car and she was waiting for her wife to get in before leaving. Her wife was behind the car talking to the same agent that ends up shooting the driver seconds later. A video that was taken from across the street shows the driver's wife grabbing the door handle to get into the car right when the officer starts firing his gun. The car then accelerates, crashing into another vehicle that was parked on the side of the street.


Language warning. Calm as a cucumber. She's at fault.
 
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He steps in front of the car as he is filming and moving to his right. He does NOT draw his gun until she starts accelerating forward.
Yes, that's what I said. He steps in front of the car, blocking its path away from the scene. That's placing himself in unnecessary danger.
Then you dont know any officers. Because officers stopping a driver to remove them.who has been involved in obstructing them and trying to prevent them from doing their jobs is a legitimate action. Good lord, there is NO expectation that cops are only allowed to stop and arrest people who are threatening them. Cops can stop and arrest ANYONE who is involved in criminal behavior whether they aee being threatened or not.
It's debatable as to whether what she was doing was criminal or that they had any legal justification to detain her. There's at least one law enforcement vehicle that she waves by in the video, so she wasn't completely blocking traffic. Regardless though, because she was not doing anything threatening, there was no need to ensure her detention at the scene - especially to the extent of putting officers and bystanders at further risk.
The escalation was on the part of the agitators on scene including the woman who had been attempting to prevent them from doing legitimate law enforcement.
Yes, the agitators escalated the situation. And then, rather than attempt to de-escalate, as is their responsibility as law enforcement officers, the ICE agents escalated further.
Yes a woman is dead. It is also incorrect to lay it all at the feet of ICE or the officer.
Completely appropriate - law enforcement has a duty to de-escalate, and they're the ones with the guns.
De-escalation does NOT require that they just let offenders go.
As a blanket rule, sure, but if you have the information needed to locate the suspect and trying to detain them puts more people at risk, then letting them go is the responsible thing to do.
Commanding an offender to stop is a legitimate action of LE.
Sure - assuming that they are an offender.
Accelerating to get away from LE is not a legitimate response from a citizen. Especially when surrounded by LE.
And shooting at a vehicle in order to stop it is not a legitimate response from LE.
 
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