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Donald Trump Says US To Launch Land Action in Venezuela ‘Very Soon’
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Wonder if Chomsky will see it as an agricultural reform movement this time.
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Push-posh. This can be turned into millions of pounds of jet-grade fuel to power, say, a refurbished Qatari 747…and could be considered “tribute” as well as “thanks” from a grateful nation!
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There are a lot of violent, racist, xenophobic demonstrations in "the west" about immigrants, but I have not quantified them to know if they are increasing. (And a better, more coherently defined group of countries would be needed to measure the change than "the west". Something like OECD countries, NATO members, EU members, white people.)
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Well I did link evidence from the UN. Though even I have bagged them for being bias. But I don't think so on this. Most humanitarian agencies are reporting the same thing. If you go deeper and into political and sociological sciences you will find its even more critical and a reality. When the behaviour, mindsets and patterns are compared to other similar situations.
Except this is on a worldwide basis around the same issues. It is the biggest issue I think faciung the world at the moment when you consider the civil unrest and violence and terror associated.
Immigration has always been an issue in some form and that may be evidence of its early problems that were going to get worse and manifest of not properly addressed. Looks like it has never been addressed and now its spilling into politics and civil life.
The Rise in Racial Tension and Growing Anti-immigration Sentiment in the United Kingdom
Migrant crisis: How Europe went from Merkel's 'We can do it' to pulling up the drawbridge
Migrant crisis: How Europe went from Merkel's 'We can do it' ten years ago to pulling up the drawbridge
A number of European governments are proposing restrictive measures on migrants in response to public concern
www.bbc.com
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The Trump Administration remove one political leader. The two men who actually run and control the country remain.
Defense minister: Vladimir Padrino
Interior minister: Diosdado Cabello
Since Maduro’s capture and arrest Saturday, public attention has focused on Rodríguez and whether she will accede to White House demands to open up Venezuela’s vast natural resources to American industry. But the newly installed president — alongside her brother Jorge, president of the Venezuelan National Assembly — represents only the political sphere.
The country’s other power centers, according to scholars, Venezuelan researchers, and current and former U.S. officials, are commanded by Padrino and Cabello — hard-line, old-school Chavistas who came of ideological age in the socialist movement and accrued significant power and wealth through continued loyalty to the cause.
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Now Padrino and Cabello, both of whom are wanted by U.S. authorities on drug-trafficking allegations, will help to decide the future of Chavismo — and the nation. Their continued presence magnifies the complexity of the challenge faced by American negotiators as they seek to bypass war and regime change and find common ground with members of a besieged government riven by internal divisions.
“There are three centers of power,” said a former senior official with the U.S. State Department, who like others in this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “And Delcy is going to find out pretty quickly that she can’t provide everything that the Americans want.”
Defense minister: Vladimir Padrino
Interior minister: Diosdado Cabello
Since Maduro’s capture and arrest Saturday, public attention has focused on Rodríguez and whether she will accede to White House demands to open up Venezuela’s vast natural resources to American industry. But the newly installed president — alongside her brother Jorge, president of the Venezuelan National Assembly — represents only the political sphere.
The country’s other power centers, according to scholars, Venezuelan researchers, and current and former U.S. officials, are commanded by Padrino and Cabello — hard-line, old-school Chavistas who came of ideological age in the socialist movement and accrued significant power and wealth through continued loyalty to the cause.
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Now Padrino and Cabello, both of whom are wanted by U.S. authorities on drug-trafficking allegations, will help to decide the future of Chavismo — and the nation. Their continued presence magnifies the complexity of the challenge faced by American negotiators as they seek to bypass war and regime change and find common ground with members of a besieged government riven by internal divisions.
“There are three centers of power,” said a former senior official with the U.S. State Department, who like others in this story spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive matters. “And Delcy is going to find out pretty quickly that she can’t provide everything that the Americans want.”
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I can show this with one simple answer. Look at the rise in violence on the left. This is evidence by the massive spike in violent rhetoric, calling for people to be stopped, labelking them Nazis who need to be stopped no matter what.
Actual threats of violence have spiked and in some causes over 1,000%. Actual violence has spiked. Over the past couple of years we have seen two or more assassination attempt of an opposition president, and conservative leaders like Kirk murdered.
This kind of behaviour is the outward expression of radicalisation of a party. The violent narratives they have pushed for a decade over a fixation on Trump. Psychologically its easy to show radicalisation. When people get so disturbed and create enermies based on a belief. Deplatform and disown people over their political views. Its irrational.
This is not to mention the many other red flags like blantant lawfare to derranged levels of fixation. Biasing opposition reps and voters and proven manipulating media to make the opposition look like Nazis. While engaging in radical control of information themselves.
Or the radical ideology like men can become women and all whites are inherently racist. All this is radicalised ideology and not reality and we have seen this exposed in the last couple of years.
But you know whats the best evidence. The Dems are now admitting this. They are admitting they became radicalised and irrational over Trump and conservatives.
Left-Wing Terrorism and Political Violence in the United States
In recent years, the United States has seen an increase in the number of left-wing terrorism attacks and plots
Left-Wing Terrorism and Political Violence in the United States: What the Data Tells Us
The Warfare, Irregular Threats, and Terrorism Program examines the state of political violence, finding left-wing violence has risen in the last decade but from very low levels and still well below historic levels of violence by right-wing and jihadist actors.
Democrats have become the party of war. Americans are tired of it
Democrats have become the party of war. Americans are tired of it
In defending the militarist status quo, Democrats ceded the anti-war lane to Republicans. As they enter the political wilderness, it’s time to reckon with what they got so wrong
The Democrats and the Rise of Racial Radicalism
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/the-democrats-and-the-rise-of-racial-radicalism/
Democrats Are Losing the Culture War
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What leftist violence in Europe are you talking about?
There is no Europe-wide party, what party are you talking about?
The Dems?
Europe? We were talking about why Europe was in more dire straits than the US, UK, Australia and perhaps Canada.Left-Wing Terrorism and Political Violence in the United States
In recent years, the United States has seen an increase in the number of left-wing terrorism attacks and plots
Left-Wing Terrorism and Political Violence in the United States: What the Data Tells Us
The Warfare, Irregular Threats, and Terrorism Program examines the state of political violence, finding left-wing violence has risen in the last decade but from very low levels and still well below historic levels of violence by right-wing and jihadist actors.www.csis.org
Still, what is the relevance?Democrats have become the party of war. Americans are tired of it
Democrats have become the party of war. Americans are tired of it
In defending the militarist status quo, Democrats ceded the anti-war lane to Republicans. As they enter the political wilderness, it’s time to reckon with what they got so wrongwww.theguardian.com
Come on, you said that "Europe has lost the plot" back in post #230. What does this post have to do with that?
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If you cannot see it I cannot help you. I showed you evidence.
I am talking about the US for which this thread is about. I used the Europe and Britain examples to show its not just happening in the US but a worldwide problem.
Yes the Dems. They have cultivated this hate and violence with the barratives and ideaology that divides along racial lines.
I don't think I said more dire. Its all about the same. Rising protests and violence in the streets. Compared to a few years ago. Its increasing become worse and is now reaching national security levels in many nations. Why do you think these same nations are now coming down hard on immigration and crime. They realised these policies did not work and actually caused more problems.
The relevance is that this idea about immigration has failed and is causing division and now violence on the streets in many nations.
But I began with the US and directly related to the OP. I only mentioned Europe and Britain to show that similar issues are happening all around the world.
I am saying for those who want to object to Trumps polciies and actions on immigration and national security. Then look at the chaotic ideology the Left had cultivated for years that has created this mess. Don't blame those who now have to take drastic action to stop this.
I provided the evidence so look at that.
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Like I said its both. The Right wing violence if you can call all of it that. As much is peaceful protests that are made out to be violent as the false narrative go.
But the right is reacting and sometimes over reacting to the crazy ideology and policies of the Left nations over the last decade or so that has created this tinder box ready to ignite.
But then I am not even focsuing on the past either. I am saying that the actions of Trumps administration on immigration and relations is a justified reaction to the chaos caused by recent immigration policies of the Left.
The Left are continually complaining but it seems they have no leg or moral ground to stand on.
Are you kidding. It is no coincident that at the same time violence and actual assassinations of taking out political opponents. Coincides with the recorded increase in hateful and violent political speak.
Partly due to social media. But we all know its increased. This is evidence that the narratives are having real lived physical effects in the increase in violence.
In fact surveys done show that around one thrid of your dems are willing to use not just verbal violence but actual violence against their opponents.
There's a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
The largest increase has been among Democrats. Now 28% of Democrats share that view, up 16 points.
There’s a growing number of Americans who think violence might be necessary to get the country back on track
Nearly a third of Americans – 30% – say people may have to resort to violence in order to get the country back on track, according to the latest PBS News/NPR/Marist poll.
www.pbs.org
Lol typical response. The Dems have admitted it. Legacy Media has admitted it. Investigations exposed it. Not just in the US which was rampant. But even in other Left leaning media like the BBC who got busted for promoting anti Trump propaganda like a typical dictator state regime.
Theres heaps of coverups. The biggest being the Dems covered up the extent of Bidens health. Gas lighting the nation
But I don't want to get into that. I am merely saying that any dem who claims Trump is doing something wrong are clearly biased considering teh amount of lawfare and fixation on him fby the Left for the past decade and nothing like anything they have claimed has ever happened.
In fact it seems more and more people, nations also wanting people and to deal with these evil regimes are calling on Trump . They see him doing good not bad.
Why is it these same people never have the same moral outrage at the dems doing much worse. Why are they supporting a dictator for the sake that they don't agree that Trump did something good. Their bias is obvious.
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But you seemed to say that the picture was different in the UK, US, Australia and possibly Canada compared to Europe? See my quote of your earlier statement below.
What evidence of a radical left turn in Europe have you provided?
Our interaction started when I questioned what you meant with this.
Then you said.
I'm wondering about what radical left swing you are talking about? When did it occur? In which countries did it occur?
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Only that as most of the European nations were Left leaning they formed a block on the Left that acted against Trump and the rights policies on this. It became a world force and not just individual nations on the world stage.
The UN was and is another. They are far Left leaning and overlook terrorism and stick up for terrorist nations as though victims. While fixated on Isreal like those fixated on Trump.
But some European nations are now turn right again and bringing in tougher immigration laws. Even left leaning nations are moving back to the center more. Realising their own ideology on immigration was the problem.
But I was not talking about specific. Only that generally the radical ledt policies on immigration like more open or lax borders and vetting and a total lack of integration. As well as a denial of the problems being casting those who objected as racism.
It depends what you mean by radical left. Radical can mean allowing mass immigration, poor practical applications in vetting and integration based on some unreal ideology can be radical. In that its completely created a chaotic situation. Extreme results come from extrem ideologies.
For example the common narratove in Leftist institions and especially in unversities is that whites are inherently racist and have white priveledge. That all or most of societies problems are caused by race.
This is a radical idea and one that has divided society along racial lines. Not counting all the chaos from making other identities like sex and gender wars divided and pitting people along these identities. We have seen the problems from such ideology which is now being wound back.
I don't need to go into the evidence for this. Its widely acknowledged, its reflected in Trump putting a stop by law to some of it and most organisations and even dems are now admitting the ideological overreach.
Ok but this is a side track. I only mentioned Europe to show that its not just limited to the US and is a worldwide issue in western nations. Immigration is the biggest and most divided and violence issue in the world. Apart from say terrorism and of course economic. But immigration is sparking protests and violence in the streets.
Thats because its naturally reached a national security issue for many nations and the world being linked to terrorism and crime and legals and a lack of vetting and control. Because the problems that once were in these radical nations has now come to western nations because we invited it in and did not properly control this through poor polcies. In fact radical policies or lack of action that actually cultivated such.
I think the left and right of politics has gradually become more polarised and extreme. Though I think the right tended to deminish in recent years with wins by Leftist paries in many western nations. This allowed such radical ideas to be implements further.
But its the chaos that has come from policies over many years that is now exploding onto the streets. A lack of integration, vetting, too open borders, lack of action to stop terrorism and crime. Its a build up that has now become a national issue for many nations.
In particular in the US there has been a massive spike in immigration to the point of creating a national issue. This has especially happened in recent years under the Biden administration. But was setup during the Obama admin with identity politics creating the race based politics of allowing slack immigration and tough laws ect. The dems hate tough laws as its victimising. It all contributes to their position on this.
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What are you talking about, in what way is there some kind of block on the left in Europe that act against Trump?
Specifics would be more useful than just handwaving.
How does this relate to differences in the US, the UK, Australia and Europe?
Or the supposedly radical left swing in Europe?
I don't care about Trump (actually I do but not in relation to our discussion), I'm wondering about the radical left swing in Europe.
As showed by the pictures showing of right-wing violence in Poland from 2015, right-wing activists in the UK and Portland (with no connection to immigration at all)?
Cool story bro, but utterly unrelated to your and mine discussion.
Which countries in Europe turned left, when?
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I see... you think they are bad, but this time they agree with you so you'll post it.
A lot of people are being violent and racist about immigrants in a lot of countries, eh?Most humanitarian agencies are reporting the same thing. If you go deeper and into political and sociological sciences you will find its even more critical and a reality. When the behaviour, mindsets and patterns are compared to other similar situations.
Except this is on a worldwide basis around the same issues. It is the biggest issue I think faciung the world at the moment when you consider the civil unrest and violence and terror associated.
Immigration has always been an issue in some form and that may be evidence of its early problems that were going to get worse and manifest of not properly addressed. Looks like it has never been addressed and now its spilling into politics and civil life.
The Rise in Racial Tension and Growing Anti-immigration Sentiment in the United Kingdom
Migrant crisis: How Europe went from Merkel's 'We can do it' to pulling up the drawbridge
Migrant crisis: How Europe went from Merkel's 'We can do it' ten years ago to pulling up the drawbridge
A number of European governments are proposing restrictive measures on migrants in response to public concern
Solution: Stop tolerating racist violence about immigration.
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Senate advances war powers resolution to rein in Trump on Venezuela
A small group of Senate Republicans joined with all Democrats to narrowly advance the resolution by a vote of 52-47. It needed 51 votes to move forward.Republican Sens. Rand Paul, Lisa Murkowski, Todd Young, Susan Collins and Josh Hawley voted with all Democrats in favor of the legislation.
The legislation, if finally approved by the Senate, would still need to be approved by the House and signed by the president. The bill did not pass the Senate with a veto-proof majority and it seems unlikely that Trump would sign it into law.
The Senate considered a similar resolution last November that narrowly failed to get the 50 votes it needed to pass.
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I guess Russia has decided to be less muted in its criticism.
Russia calls seizure of oil tanker 'illegal'
Russia is calling the U.S. seizure of a Russia-flagged oil tanker in the northern Atlantic Ocean “illegal” and a "flagrant violation" of maritime law.“The suggestions by individual US officials that the seizure of the Mariner is part of a broader strategy to establish Washington's unlimited control over Venezuela's natural resources are extremely cynical. We resolutely reject such neocolonialist pretensions,” the ministry added. “Washington's willingness to generate acute international crises, including in Russian-American relations, already severely strained by the disagreements of recent years, is regrettable and alarming.”
Russia said the action in the North Atlantic “cannot be interpreted as anything other than a flagrant violation of the fundamental principles and norms of international maritime law and freedom of navigation."
"The Marinera incident can only lead to a further escalation of military and political tensions in the Euro-Atlantic region," the statement said.
[and maybe a trip to the dry cleaners]
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