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Donald Trump Says US To Launch Land Action in Venezuela ‘Very Soon’

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Europe nations are mostly western nations. But due to issues like the EEU they are subject to EEU laws and regulations which operate more like socialist nations. Thats why Britain pulled out.

I used democracy and freedom in the same way most people understand. The freedoms that the west fought for such as free speech, religious freedoms, equality, justice, and the rule of law, A government elected by the people.
Most countries in the EU (I guess you meant this) have "free speech, religious freedoms, equality, justice, and the rule of law, A government elected by the people.".

That was why I asked by what measure the US, Britain, Australia and Canada would be more democratic and have more freedoms. Because they are not more democratic or have more freedoms than most countries in continental Europe. Perhaps you can make a case if you compare them to Belarus and Russia.



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The EU is not socialist, if they care about who owns the means of production it is not because they think they should be in the hands of the workers. I can't think of a single country within the EU that large-scale wants to transfer the means of production either.
 
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Actually I am thinking a growing number of nations are seeing him as hope as well. As someone who is actually taking action against some of this evil we know has been happening for decades. Who is bring waring nations together in peace treaties. Who is stopping the rot that is destroying many nations.

Look at Nigeria and the genocide of Christians. A Nigerian priest begged the world to help. No one was helping. The priest risked his life. Trump was the only one who helped.

Look at the freed hostages. Isreal is forever grateful and especially the families. Look at Iran. They were definitely building a neuclear weapon to use against Isreal and the west if necessary. They are definitely behind all this terror and no one was doing anything. Just watching them build a bomb to use against us. Trump set that back years and is continuing to monitor Iran.

Then theres the illegals and the massive fraud being exposed. Left unchecked and stopped for years.

Year some people see trump and the US as a threat. They are the bad guys, the terrorist, rapist, drug smugglers and murders who are threatening the modern world.

Thats not to say I am agreeing with all this. I am saying there are two ways to look at this if people want to get into morality

yeah,and replaced by a guy that has destroyed your economy within a year, lies about doing so, threatened and angered most of your closest allies.

Lets see how well the US does without aluminium, pot ash, cars, boeing, canadian tourists, burbon walmart, oil....hmmmm anything else I'm missing? And that's just Canada. The US economy is unlikely to recover for years to come, and he's too dumb to realize that threatening other countries with wars, and putting tarrifs on everyone means companies leave, not return. Multiple manufacturing and companies are leaving the US becaue they can't afford to build stuff they need from other countries. You have farmers that need Pot Ash not getting it, you have car manufacturers leaving the US and the supplies needed aren't getting to them.
 
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Actually I just found out that it was sort of setup. The US was working with the Venezulan military and they agreed to stand down while the operation happened.

In other words they sold out Maduro. That explains why it went so smooth.
We'll see.
I agree. This is revolutionary in itself and will have to cause great upheaval either way. If Maduro stays more death and destruction and a bigger problem up the raod.
The VP is now acting president. Other than the president departing, what has changed?
Including the growth of terrorist against the US.
Growth from zero is still zero.
But now he has been taken out it will leave a power vacumn and anything could happen. Though it seems the Venezulan military are in charge along with the US embassy.
The VP is acting president. Nothing significant has changed.
But the other big issue is going to be the Narcos and their militaries reaction.
mksd.
Yes now they are. But they were radically to the Left. This was the same issue that is facing Left leaning nations in Europe.
Your understanding of the political spectrum and US politics is not very good. No US administration has ever been "radically to the left" -- ever.
Mainly the immigration issue and how the problems that were once outside these nations are now within.
That is rather xenophobic.
So now many nations are toughening up immigration along with dealing with the terror and crime thats resulted. Some are taking extreme measures in response. But I think that is partly due to the extreme level these issues have become that its now a national security issue.
You are imagining terror again.
I am saying the south American nations had a history similar to the US as far as religious belief. Mostly Christian and especially Catholic.
Well that doesn't match the US. Catholics were discriminated against for about a century and were never more than about 25% of the population.
They at least share this worldview with the US and other western nations.
Secular government? I'd have to look into that regarding Latin America.
As opposed to no religion, evil, terrorism, Islamists and socialism/communism and dictatorships.
And were is that in Latin America? Is it one of those uniformly Catholic countries?
Hum I think we should wait and see. From what I have heard there is. as the Narcos are basically a criminal and terrorist organisation they have this in common. They are open to corruption.
Those "narcos" have never "terrorist" in the US.
Maduro welcomes terrorist groups to Venezuela, says report

How Venezuela Became a Sanctuary for Islamist Extremist and Terror Networks—and Why U.S. Action Was Necessary
Are these credible sources?
 
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Do you mean the EU? or E.E.U.U.? (Those are very different.) Britain did pull out of both, but one is in Europe, so I'm going to guess you mean the European Union. I don't know what EU nation is "not western". You can call the EU a regulatory state, because if it is anything, it is a mechanism for imposing uniform commercial and trade regulations. Since the EU doesn't run the welfare state nor own businesses or enforce member states to control the means of production. However "socialist" one might characterize various EU member states, it isn't the EU that made them do that.
Primarily they are western nations yes. But you would not think so in recent years. But I don't want a debate on this. Just to say that most south American nations were aligned with western worldviews before all this socialism and dictatorship came along.
I'll hold you to those principles.
So you should.
 
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yeah,and replaced by a guy that has destroyed your economy within a year, lies about doing so, threatened and angered most of your closest allies.
lol I am not American. Like you an observer from the outside.

Not sure about destroying the economy. Trumps only been in for a short while. The economy was already destroyed. Its a case of repairing it now.

I've heard energy prices are coming right down and this is a big factor in bring prices down across the board. I think more time is required. But I cannot see too much that would be negative for the economy.

Tariff I am not sure but some economists are saying it may work out better than expected. They are being selectively introduced. Who surely the idea of getting local manufacturing going rather than imposting everything is good for the US. Creating local jobs ect.

But its early days.
Lets see how well the US does without aluminium, pot ash, cars, boeing, canadian tourists, burbon walmart, oil....hmmmm anything else I'm missing?
Yeah we will have to wait and see. But at least the fraud is being sorts and billions of dollars won't be wasted. You can't get any lower as far financial mismangement. Thats a core principle that the Dems could not even get right. Trump is also saing on the chaos illgals brought and the devastation drugs are causing. Surely there is some positives.
And that's just Canada. The US economy is unlikely to recover for years to come, and he's too dumb to realize that threatening other countries with wars,
What wars. This is hyperbole. Trump has done nothing different to what Biden, Obama and Clinton has done. Why is it when Trump does it its suddenly bad.

A 2 hour mission into Venezuela to capture a wanted criminal with a 25 million dollar price tag set by the Biden admin is hardly war. Its acting on Bidens indictement.

This is part of why trouble is stirred up. People promoting false narratives about Hitler and taking democracy, war crimes and starting wars.
and putting tarrifs on everyone means companies leave, not return. Multiple manufacturing and companies are leaving the US becaue they can't afford to build stuff they need from other countries. You have farmers that need Pot Ash not getting it, you have car manufacturers leaving the US and the supplies needed aren't getting to them.
I am sure they will work out something. All I know is the trade deficite is at a 5 year low.
 
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Most countries in the EU (I guess you meant this) have "free speech, religious freedoms, equality, justice, and the rule of law, A government elected by the people.".

That was why I asked by what measure the US, Britain, Australia and Canada would be more democratic and have more freedoms. Because they are not more democratic or have more freedoms than most countries in continental Europe. Perhaps you can make a case if you compare them to Belarus and Russia.



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The EU is not socialist, if they care about who owns the means of production it is not because they think they should be in the hands of the workers. I can't think of a single country within the EU that large-scale wants to transfer the means of production either.
I didn't want to get into a debate about which countries are more democratic. I will agree that European nations are classed as democratic to move it on. It was just a personal observation about how some Europena nations have swung radically to the Left. But yes they are still westernised.

The question is whether some of these western democratics are becoming less western and democratic. Like the south American nations. I mean the US has seen a socialist mayor. So its a possibility that socialism is growing more popular.
 
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Primarily they are western nations yes. But you would not think so in recent years.
How are they not western?
But I don't want a debate on this.
Oh.
Just to say that most south American nations were aligned with western worldviews before all this socialism and dictatorship came along.

Socialism (including all of the kinds you are thinking of) arise from Western philosophy in western Europe. Dictatorship is literally from the Roman Republc. Can't get much more western than that.
So you should.
 
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The question is whether some of these western democratics are becoming less western and democratic. Like the south American nations. I mean the US has seen a socialist mayor. So its a possibility that socialism is growing more popular.
I know you posted this before I told you that socialism is western in origin, not some non-western, alien philosophy, but I did want to correct one other error.

The US doesn't have a mayor. The US has a president. Cities have mayors.

As for socialist mayors, you must be thinking of Milwaukee
 
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The VP is now acting president. Other than the president departing, what has changed?
Ah the US embassy is working with the VP and has warned about any continuation of the same will not be tolerated. They are helping with the transition from a radical Narco and terrorist dictatorship to a democratic one. So it takes time. But everyone should agree that this will be much better for all.
Growth from zero is still zero.
Are you kidding. Terror has increased. There has been two assassination attempts on a president, one murder or s conservative, death threats have skyrocked, violence on the streets. Drug imposts increasing, terrosist now infiltrating south American on the US doorstep.
The VP is acting president. Nothing significant has changed.
Then whats all the moral outrage. Anyone would think Hitler declared war on the world lol the way some are complaining.
mksd.

Your understanding of the political spectrum and US politics is not very good. No US administration has ever been "radically to the left" -- ever.
What is radical and to the left. So your saying the Dems have not become more radical. That the radical policies have not come to the center. I think its evidence in that we have seen assassinations and attempted assassinations of the opposition in taking them out and the narratives that fuel this in recent years. Is a sign of how radicalims has come into politics.
That is rather xenophobic.
Yeah thats the typical response from ideologues. Everything is turned into race. The idea of pointing out the obvious and how unregulated and illegal immigration has destroyed many nations.

You can call it whatever you like but most of these nations are now cracking down on immigration because they recognise this problem.
You are imagining terror again.
Theres no imagining. Its a reality and its this dismissal that has led to the problem getting worse. I just literally linked the evidence that terrorism is growing and being cultivated in some south American nations. This is their new tactic.

Since the tightening of security in western nations due to that same terror. Remember 9/11 and Bali and all the terror on subways, in nightclubs and shopping malls.

So the terrorist have been finding other ways which included infiltrating weak and dysfunctional and corrupt regimes like in Venezuela. So they can inflict their terror in other ways. Terror comes in many forms now including flooding the US with drugs and illegals.

So obviously any sane nation would tighten up their borders and security don't you think.
Well that doesn't match the US. Catholics were discriminated against for about a century and were never more than about 25% of the population.
Venezuela like other south American nations was a Spanish colony, part of the West's colonial sphere, later developing its own distinct path with significant European (Spanish/German) influence, They relate more to the west than socialist dictators and communism.

Thats all. They understand and appreciate the freedoms and democracy.
Secular government? I'd have to look into that regarding Latin America.
Are you really advocating that they continue a socialist dictatorship. Not have free and democratic elections. Not uphold Rule of Law seperations of power.
And were is that in Latin America? Is it one of those uniformly Catholic countries?
So what are you trying to say. Whats the alternative. Is not a free democratic nation like the US good.
Those "narcos" have never "terrorist" in the US.
How do you know. Do you have access to the intel. I have heard for some sources that there is a connection and why not.

What if anything would stop Narcos and Terrorist working togetting if theres no principles or morals and its all about destablising western nations who are percieved as the enermy.

Give an arguement why it should not be the case. Its logical and reasonable to believe it is the case. It does not have to be direct terror but funding such terror in its various forms.

Hizbullah narco-terrorism A growing cross-border threat

Violent Islamism Reaches the Caribbean, Latin America

The Nexus between Transnational Organized Crime and Terrorism in Latin America

Are these credible sources?
Yes and theres more above.
 
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I didn't want to get into a debate about which countries are more democratic. I will agree that European nations are classed as democratic to move it on. It was just a personal observation about how some Europena nations have swung radically to the Left. But yes they are still westernised.
"swung radically to the Left"? What are you talking about, Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht in Germany? What radical left-wing political shift have I missed (Sweden have a right-wing government at the moment)?
The question is whether some of these western democratics are becoming less western and democratic. Like the south American nations. I mean the US has seen a socialist mayor. So its a possibility that socialism is growing more popular.
They are not becoming less western and democratic.
 
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I know you posted this before I told you that socialism is western in origin, not some non-western, alien philosophy, but I did want to correct one other error.

The US doesn't have a mayor. The US has a president. Cities have mayors.

As for socialist mayors, you must be thinking of Milwaukee
Also New York now with Mamdani.
 
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"swung radically to the Left"? What are you talking about, Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht in Germany? What radical left-wing political shift have I missed (Sweden have a right-wing government at the moment)?
Yes now and that has been in response to the radicalism of the Left. Like in the US. There was a period where the Left were in power for some time in many of these nations. They caused chaos and especially with unvetted immigration flooding in. Now theres wars on the streets. Same as in Britain except they still have a Left learning government.

But most are changing and the Right are coming in and toughening up immigration.
They are not becoming less western and democratic.
You would hope so. But some of their policies have been radically left. Like the policies on immigration which has caused most of this chaos. A bit similar to the US and Australia and Britain.
 
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Yes now and that has been in response to the radicalism of the Left. Like in the US. There was a period where the Left were in power for some time in many of these nations. They caused chaos and especially with unvetted immigration flooding in. Now theres wars on the streets.
What wars in the street? :)
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Same as in Britain except they still have a Left learning government.

But most are changing and the Right are coming in and toughening up immigration.

You would hope so. But some of their policies have been radically left. Like the policies on immigration which has caused most of this chaos. A bit similar to the US and Australia and Britain.
We had a rightwing government between 2006-2014, a leftwing one 2014-2022 and now we have a rightwing government again. I don't know much about all other countries in the EU, but I would be surprised if they don't shift back and forth as well.

There have never been a time that allowed for unvetted immigration to Sweden. What countries are you thinking about specifically that had unvetted immigration?

Is immigration the only question you use to determine if something is radically left?
 
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Yes now and that has been in response to the radicalism of the Left. Like in the US. There was a period where the Left were in power for some time in many of these nations. They caused chaos and especially with unvetted immigration flooding in. Now theres wars on the streets. Same as in Britain except they still have a Left learning government.

But most are changing and the Right are coming in and toughening up immigration.

You would hope so. But some of their policies have been radically left. Like the policies on immigration which has caused most of this chaos. A bit similar to the US and Australia and Britain.
What do you mean that Britain "still have a left leaning government"?

We had a right-wing government for 14 years, from 2010 to 2024. That time was marked by corruption and ineptitude. That's why we now have a centre-left party - as a reaction to the useless morons who were in power before.

Oh, and there are no "wars on the streets" in Britain.
 
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What wars in the street? :)
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Huh lol.

I was thinking more like this

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We had a rightwing government between 2006-2014, a leftwing one 2014-2022 and now we have a rightwing government again. I don't know much about all other countries in the EU, but I would be surprised if they don't shift back and forth as well.
I think most western nations pretty well follow a similar Left and Right divide. They may call it something else. But its basically a Left verses Right thing to varying degrees.
There have never been a time that allowed for unvetted immigration to Sweden. What countries are you thinking about specifically that had unvetted immigration?
Mainly Germany. Sweden had a generous immigration policy. But despite their vetting some got in and others are causing problems. So maybe they were too generous and did not see the reality of their own policies. The point is even nations like Sweden are coming down on immigration and tightening their security due to the radicalism that has come into many European nations.

Is immigration the only question you use to determine if something is radically left?
No why. Socialism is another. Have you notice the rise in popularity for socialism. New York elected a socialist mayor. Only the Left would do this. Most young people today want the return of socialism. Primarily because it promises free stuff.
 
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I am not sure on all that. I have done some investigation and it seems very complicated. I am still getting over the fact that the US just literally went into another nation. Into a military zone and took the president in a matter of 2 hours lol. This sounds like some James Bond movie lol. I cannot believe it.

....yes, it was an extremely well executed military operation that only the U.S. could pull off. The administration is hoping Americans focus on that rather than what comes next. And it's now apparent the administration did no planning whatsoever for the day after. Their approach is remove the head honcho and comply with our demands or else....while we take your oil. And if it takes American boots on the ground to carry it out, so be it.
 
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Huh lol.

I was thinking more like this

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I think most western nations pretty well follow a similar Left and Right divide. They may call it something else. But its basically a Left verses Right thing to varying degrees.

Mainly Germany. Sweden had a generous immigration policy. But despite their vetting some got in and others are causing problems. So maybe they were too generous and did not see the reality of their own policies. The point is even nations like Sweden are coming down on immigration and tightening their security due to the radicalism that has come into many European nations.


No why. Socialism is another. Have you notice the rise in popularity for socialism. New York elected a socialist mayor. Only the Left would do this. Most young people today want the return of socialism. Primarily because it promises free stuff.
The image with the Union Jack is from here: Understanding the Roots of Anti-Immigration Protests in Britain

"Understanding the Roots of Anti-Immigration Protests in Britain

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The recent violent unrest that followed the tragic killing of three young girls, which was falsely attributed to a Muslim migrant, serves as a stark illustration of the dangerous consequences that can arise when false information is spread unchecked. Despite the police clarifying that the suspect was not a migrant, the damage had already been done. The misinformation had already fuelled widespread anger and provided a potent catalyst for existing anti-immigration sentiments to boil over into the streets.
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In other words, a bunch of far-right nutjobs rioting based on the lies of right-wing media and talking heads.

The image with Polish flags seems to come from 2015 (that's the earliest version that appears on tineye.com) or before. That might be the Nationalist riots from 2014. Again, that was far-right nutjobs, smashing and burning things.


The third image is a Portland, anti-ICE protest. So, not Europe.

So, thanks for demonstrating that far-right radicalism is dangerous.
 
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We can dispense with the 'mere arrest' canard.

Trump has a list of demands for Venezuela’s new leader

“Venezuela, thus far, has been very nice. But it helps to have a force like we have,” Trump told reporters Sunday on Air Force One. “If they don’t behave, we will do a second strike.”

U.S. officials have told Delcy Rodriguez that they want to see at least three moves from her: cracking down on drug flows; kicking out Iranian, Cuban and other operatives of countries or networks hostile to Washington; and stopping the sale of oil to U.S. adversaries, according to a U.S. official familiar with the situation and a person familiar with the administration’s internal discussions.

The Trump team thinks Rodriguez is on a “short leash” and is “confident they can whip her in whatever direction they want before they dispose of her and move on,” a person close to the administration said.

The person familiar with the Trump team’s discussions said the U.S. also is requesting that Venezuela release Americans held prisoner in the country. But this person and others said they were not aware of any U.S. demand that the government in Caracas free all of the Venezuelan political prisoners it has locked up.
 
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....The image with Polish flags seems to come from 2015 (that's the earliest version that appears on tineye.com) or before. That might be the Nationalist riots from 2014. Again, that was far-right nutjobs, smashing and burning things.....
Why does it matter anymore if the picture actually represents what you say it does?

The point is to show the images in your own head of what people you dont like are doing. And if it exists in your head, then it exists!
 
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