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President Trump renews push for Greenland, citing U.S. national security needs

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This is so bizarre. Denmark is part of NATO. We can't just go invading another NATO country. Please tell me somebody will say "no" before it comes to that.
Greenland left the EU in the 1980s. Let the citizens of Greenland decide on any offer made by the United States. Most in Greenland would like to break away from Denmark but they are dependent upon financial assistance from Denmark. The U.S. can make them a better deal.
 
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Trump just floats the idea to see how it will be accepted or rejected by the population of Greenland.

This is what business executives do when they want to get a feeling for an idea they have.
 
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This is what business executives do when they want to get a feeling for an idea they have.
Turns out, he's no more popular in Greenland than in the U.S.
  • Poll: 85% of Greenlanders oppose joining the U.S.
  • Poll: 45% of Greenlanders see Trump's interest as a threat
 
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Turns out, he's no more popular in Greenland than in the U.S.
  • Poll: 85% of Greenlanders oppose joining the U.S.
  • Poll: 45% of Greenlanders see Trump's interest as a threat
Popularity has little to do with getting things right.

As it is, in the US, Trump's popularity among the left is at an all time low after the capture of Maduro. Yet
Trump is popular in Venezuela as the people there are cheering his name!

In other words, the people in the US are wrong while the people who lived 30 years under
Maduro are right to celebrate now.
 
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As it is, in the US, Trump's popularity among the left is at an all time low
And the right, too. It's why people were predicting that Trump would start a war to counter his slide in approval.

New Trump approval rating poll finds worsening support among MAGA base​


And it's not just Epstein. It's the economy, his continuing and visible derangement syndrome.

In other words, the people in the US are wrong while the people who lived 30 years under
Maduro are right to celebrate now.
There are demonstrations against Trump in Venezuela too. So, it's controversial as to which of them is worse. I'm just thinking that "better than Maduro" while arguably true, is not really a very good measure. Maduro not only tried to overturn an election, he succeeded. Which makes him marginally worse than Trump.
 
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Trump acts in strange ways, but I don’t think he would do much to take over Greenland. He’ll take it if he can get it, but he is bargaining for a greater military presence. By asking too much, he is negotiating to get what he can to deter Russia and China. He also wants the resources, but the technology is not there yet to extract them at a reasonable cost. He might also be pushing Europe to see how important Greenland is.
 
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There are demonstrations against Trump in Venezuela too. So, it's controversial as to which of them is worse. I'm just thinking that "better than Maduro" while arguably true, is not really a very good measure. Maduro not only tried to overturn an election, he succeeded. Which makes him marginally worse than Trump.
Certainly there are Venezuelans happy to be rid of Maduro.

That doesn't mean at all even those Venezuelans want to be governed from Washington DC.

If some Greenlanders want to break away from Denmark, it does not mean at all they want to be controlled by Washington DC.

What people want is national liberty, not just another colonizing power.
 
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Certainly there are Venezuelans happy to be rid of Maduro.

That doesn't mean at all even those Venezuelans want to be governed from Washington DC.

If some Greenlanders want to break away from Denmark, it does not mean at all they want to be controlled by Washington DC.

What people want is national liberty, not just another colonizing power.
Right. I think Venezuelans would be really unhappy with us looting their oil or installing a regime without an election. We could be seen as liberators. Trump got off on the wrong foot by endorsing Maduro's sidekick.
 
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Right. I think Venezuelans would be really unhappy with us looting their oil or installing a regime without an election. We could be seen as liberators. Trump got off on the wrong foot by endorsing Maduro's sidekick.
Did he make that endorsement? I hadn't seen that yet.

Well, so, "Same song, different verse."

Same people will be angry as before.
 
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This is so bizarre.

We must look at the real reason why Trump wants Greenland.

I think I know why, but my reason is so bizarre many just wouldn't believe it.
 
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The easiest path to Greenland is with the Compact of Free Association
It's their choice. And they aren't going to comply with Trump's ambitions.
 
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Trump just floats the idea to see how it will be accepted or rejected by the population of Greenland.

This is what business executives do when they want to get a feeling for an idea they have.
But he's not running a business now.
Trump acts in strange ways, but I don’t think he would do much to take over Greenland. He’ll take it if he can get it, but he is bargaining for a greater military presence. By asking too much, he is negotiating to get what he can to deter Russia and China. He also wants the resources, but the technology is not there yet to extract them at a reasonable cost. He might also be pushing Europe to see how important Greenland is.
Does he know the tenth commandment?
 
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Why not execute a lease for a base like Gitmo? Or just buy a chunk of ice up north? No reason to buy or need the whole country. The mineral wealth is low quality and hard to extract. Trump shoyld quit irritating them.
 
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Why not execute a lease for a base like Gitmo?
We have one there. Could have more, maybe, if we somehow regain the trust of Greenlanders and Denmark. That might take some doing.
 
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