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Donald Trump Says US To Launch Land Action in Venezuela ‘Very Soon’

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US oil giants have so far remained silent on Donald Trump’s claim that they are primed to spend “billions and billions of dollars” rebuilding the Venezuelan oil industry following the ouster of Nicolás Maduro.

Chevron, the only US oil company still operating in Venezuela, committed only to following “relevant laws and regulations” after the US president suggested American energy multinationals would be central to his plans for the country.
Oil companies seem to be turning down “free oil”?
My, but I never thought that the petroleum industry would develop ethics, at this stage of events!
 
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Why should the United States be the one who determines how other nations choose to run themselves?
I don't think the US is doing this and thats an assumption. They have just taken out Maduro who had a 2020 indictement. He wad a 25 million dollar reward. One of the US top wanted criminals who has been causing terrorism against the US for years.

This has nothing to do with how venezuela will govern itself in the end. It seems most venezuelans are celebrating because the US has given them the opportunity to be a democracy.
The Adminstration has to go with the “oh, gosh, they’re drugging our country! What’re we gonna do!? We have to do something!” strategy, becuase that’s easier than fixing our nation so that people don’t seek drugs out.
I think you will find this is not just about drugs. Though thats bad enough. That kills millions of people already in the US. But its much more involved than that.

I think you will find just how deeply this is all connected to terrorism, the use of illgel immigration to impost terror, drugs and crime to undermine the US. As well as the deep connections to China, Russia and Iran right on the US doorstep and getting bigger and worse.

In fact if this was not stopped you could be looking at a complete breakdown and undermining of the US by terror and agitators determined to spread the same kind of ideology and evil in the US.

In fact it may well already be tool later. But it definitely needed to be stopped before it gets any worse.
 
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I don't think the US is doing this and thats an assumption. They have just taken out Maduro who had a 2020 indictement. He wad a 25 million dollar reward. One of the US top wanted criminals who has been causing terrorism against the US for years.

This has nothing to do with how venezuela will govern itself in the end. It seems most venezuelans are celebrating because the US has given them the opportunity to be a democracy.

I think you will find this is not just about drugs. Though thats bad enough. That kills millions of people already in the US. But its much more involved than that.

I think you will find just how deeply this is all connected to terrorism, the use of illgel immigration to impost terror, drugs and crime to undermine the US. As well as the deep connections to China, Russia and Iran right on the US doorstep and getting bigger and worse.

In fact if this was not stopped you could be looking at a complete breakdown and undermining of the US by terror and agitators determined to spread the same kind of ideology and evil in the US.

In fact it may well already be tool later. But it definitely needed to be stopped before it gets any worse.
No, it was just about oil. The business of drugs and illegal immigration and blowing up boats was only a side show for his base.
 
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Cowards commit war crimes all of the time, though.
Are you sure that's the right use of the word, or are we using "coward" as an insult in general?

I'm not defending war crimes at all, I'm only talking about proper use of terminology.
 
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Oil companies seem to be turning down “free oil”?
My, but I never thought that the petroleum industry would develop ethics, at this stage of events!

Unlike the Trump administration, oil companies consider the long-term risks and the oil market to drive their decisions.
 
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I don't think the US is doing this and thats an assumption.

Trump is absolutely doing just that. In the past couple of days, he has made multiple threats against the leaders of Mexico and Canada. And Greenland is back in the converstation. He's testing the waters....again.
 
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Trump is absolutely doing just that. In the past couple of days, he has made multiple threats against the leaders of Mexico and Canada. And Greenland is back in the converstation. He's testing the waters....again.
Yeah we all know Trump can mouth off. Thats part of his persona I think. But what happens in reality is whats impostant. So far that mouthing off has managed to free the hiostages in Gaza, shut Iran up, and stopped illegals including terrorist and criminals coming from those nations.

I think thats part of his image he tries to create. Speak out the obvious wrong those leaders are doing and how its affecting the US and that this will no longer be tolerated. Keep saying it. Get it into these monsters heads that what they are doing is wrong.

Then follow it up and take action if they don't stop.

For all the objections its about time someone actually spoke these evils and put them on the table and then is doing something about it. Because believe me if not there will be twice as big a price to pay later. This was inevitable. If it was not Trump then it would have been another leader having to deal with the mess later.

What I find most interesting is that the complaints insinuating Trump is a dictator and wants to take over other nations. While he is actually stopping dictators.

Yet not one complaint about the actual dictators like Maduro or Iran working with Narcos for over 20 years. Where was the objections then. It seems the Venezuelan people are happy because Trump has helped free them. Not oppressed them.

Why can't people just give credit where credits due.
 
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Yeah we all know Trump can mouth off. Thats part of his persona I think. But what happens in reality is whats impostant. So far that mouthing off has managed to free the hiostages in Gaza, shut Iran up, and stopped illegals including terrorist and criminals coming from those nations.

Yes, he says a lot of things....and in this instance, he carried it out. The threat to Colombia is backed up by the same military resources who just captured Maduro. Bogota is certainly within striking distance.
 
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Yes, he says a lot of things....and in this instance, he carried it out. The threat to Colombia is backed up by the same military resources who just captured Maduro. Bogota is certainly within striking distance.
I am not sure on all that. I have done some investigation and it seems very complicated. I am still getting over the fact that the US just literally went into another nation. Into a military zone and took the president in a matter of 2 hours lol. This sounds like some James Bond movie lol. I cannot believe it.

Who knows what happens next. All I know is its a big move and its changed the dynamics of not only the US and venezuelan situation. But world order I think.

Another crazy event that is changing things. Some situations that have been brewing for some time and getting bad. I guess the world is getting smaller and people have to learn to live together.

All I know is that western nations like the US, Britain, Australia, hopefully Canada. Though they have gone a bit to far Left. Europe has lost the plot. There are not many nations left that uphold democracy and freedoms. Most South American nations supported democracy and western traditions and have a strong religious base.

They have been overtaken by terrorism and corruption and are volnurable to exploitation by western adversaries like China, Russian and Iran. There is a link between Narco terror and Islamist terror. They both have the same aim. I don't think people realise how serious this is.
 
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I am not sure on all that. I have done some investigation and it seems very complicated. I am still getting over the fact that the US just literally went into another nation. Into a military zone and took the president in a matter of 2 hours lol. This sounds like some James Bond movie lol. I cannot believe it.

Who knows what happens next. All I know is its a big move and its changed the dynamics of not only the US and venezuelan situation. But world order I think.

Another crazy event that is changing things. Some situations that have been brewing for some time and getting bad. I guess the world is getting smaller and people have to learn to live together.

All I know is that western nations like the US, Britain, Australia, hopefully Canada. Though they have gone a bit to far Left. Europe has lost the plot. There are not many nations left that uphold democracy and freedoms. Most South American nations supported democracy and western traditions and have a strong religious base.
What measure of democracy and freedoms are you using, that puts "the US, Britain, Australia.." as countries "that uphold democracy and freedoms" more than other (than Britain) European countries (or what do you mean with "Europe has lost the plot.")? How does that measure spread among European countries?
They have been overtaken by terrorism and corruption and are volnurable to exploitation by western adversaries like China, Russian and Iran. There is a link between Narco terror and Islamist terror. They both have the same aim. I don't think people realise how serious this is.
 
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I am not sure on all that. I have done some investigation and it seems very complicated. I am still getting over the fact that the US just literally went into another nation. Into a military zone and took the president in a matter of 2 hours lol. This sounds like some James Bond movie lol. I cannot believe it.
Assuming that it wasn't a set up.
Who knows what happens next. All I know is its a big move and its changed the dynamics of not only the US and venezuelan situation. But world order I think.
Oh, it has. I don't see the positive down stream from this, though.
Another crazy event that is changing things. Some situations that have been brewing for some time and getting bad. I guess the world is getting smaller and people have to learn to live together.

All I know is that western nations like the US, Britain, Australia, hopefully Canada. Though they have gone a bit to far Left.
The US has gone a bit to the left? Seriously? The US is under the control of a *right* party and not some moderate one either.
Europe has lost the plot. There are not many nations left that uphold democracy and freedoms. Most South American nations supported democracy and western traditions and have a strong religious base.
How do you tell the religious and not-so-religious nations of S. America.
They have been overtaken by terrorism and corruption and are volnurable to exploitation by western adversaries like China, Russian and Iran. There is a link between Narco terror and Islamist terror. They both have the same aim. I don't think people realise how serious this is.
There are no "Islamists" involved here.
 
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Yeah we all know Trump can mouth off. Thats part of his persona I think. But what happens in reality is whats impostant. So far that mouthing off has managed to free the hiostages in Gaza, shut Iran up, and stopped illegals including terrorist and criminals coming from those nations.

I think thats part of his image he tries to create. Speak out the obvious wrong those leaders are doing and how its affecting the US and that this will no longer be tolerated. Keep saying it. Get it into these monsters heads that what they are doing is wrong.

Then follow it up and take action if they don't stop.

For all the objections its about time someone actually spoke these evils and put them on the table and then is doing something about it. Because believe me if not there will be twice as big a price to pay later. This was inevitable. If it was not Trump then it would have been another leader having to deal with the mess later.

What I find most interesting is that the complaints insinuating Trump is a dictator and wants to take over other nations. While he is actually stopping dictators.

Yet not one complaint about the actual dictators like Maduro or Iran working with Narcos for over 20 years. Where was the objections then. It seems the Venezuelan people are happy because Trump has helped free them. Not oppressed them.

Why can't people just give credit where credits due.
yeah, guess what much of the world now sees trump as a threat, We might have seen his words as mouthing off before venezuela well now no one think it's just mouthing off. The US is now seen as a threat and something to stop. It stopped being funny months ago, and now they are just threats. And unlike venezuela no one will ignore if he attacks Canada of greenland.
 

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I don't think the US is doing this and thats an assumption. They have just taken out Maduro who had a 2020 indictement. He wad a 25 million dollar reward. One of the US top wanted criminals who has been causing terrorism against the US for years.

This has nothing to do with how venezuela will govern itself in the end. It seems most venezuelans are celebrating because the US has given them the opportunity to be a democracy.
This seems to be a reverse-tick removal. When removing a tick, it is vitally important to make sure that, whilst removing the body the head isn’t stuck inside…but here, they removed the head and left the body.

I think you will find this is not just about drugs. Though thats bad enough. That kills millions of people already in the US. But its much more involved than that.

I think you will find just how deeply this is all connected to terrorism, the use of illgel immigration to impost terror, drugs and crime to undermine the US. As well as the deep connections to China, Russia and Iran right on the US doorstep and getting bigger and worse.

In fact if this was not stopped you could be looking at a complete breakdown and undermining of the US by terror and agitators determined to spread the same kind of ideology and evil in the US.

In fact it may well already be tool later. But it definitely needed to be stopped before it gets any worse.
The USA is the “Home of the Brave”, not everyone here fears immigrants.
 
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Another look at international law, and some additional factors in re the case with Panama/Noriega.

International Law and the U.S. Military and Law Enforcement Operations in Venezuela


In this article, we explain several international law issues raised by the operation, some of which have been addressed in greater depth in the Just Security collection of articles on the drug boat strikes and other operations dealing with Venezuela. In particular, Operation Absolute Resolve implicates the prohibition on the use of force against other States (e.g., under the UN Charter), extraterritorial law enforcement, and initiation of an international armed conflict (e.g., under the Geneva Conventions).


Distinguishing past practice – the Noriega case: Three points should be made about the closest historical example in U.S. practice: the 1989 U.S. operation to capture General Manuel Noriega in Panama and bring him to the United States to face drug smuggling and other charges. First, reaffirming the prohibition against the use of force, the U.N. General Assembly condemned the U.S. operation. The General Assembly stated that it “strongly deplores the intervention in Panama by the armed forces of the United States of America, which constitutes a flagrant violation of international law.”

[ETA: from Daredevil #283, August 1990 "The American Nightmare"]

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Second, the U.S. justifications for the Noriega-Panama operation distinguish it from the Maduro-Venezuela case. Most importantly, in the former case, the United States claimed to be acting by invitation of the rightful Head of State. “It was welcomed by the democratically elected government of Panama,” President George H.W. Bush informed the U.S. Congress in a War Powers Resolution report. Likewise, U.S. Ambassador Thomas Pickering told the U.N. Security Council, “United States action in Panama has been approved, applauded and welcomed by the democratically elected Government of Panama.”

Third, as noted by President George H.W. Bush, the United States acted after the Panamanian National Assembly declared a state of war against the United States, and after forces under Noriega’s command “killed an unarmed American serviceman; wounded another; arrested and brutally beat a third American serviceman; and then brutally interrogated his wife, threatening her with sexual abuse.” Bush added that “General Noriega’s reckless threats and attacks upon Americans in Panama created an imminent danger to the 35,000 American citizens in Panama.” Secretary of State James A. Baker also stated, “We received an intelligence report that General Noriega was considering launching an urban commando attack on American citizens in a residential neighborhood.” None of those factors is present here.
 
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What measure of democracy and freedoms are you using, that puts "the US, Britain, Australia.." as countries "that uphold democracy and freedoms" more than other (than Britain) European countries (or what do you mean with "Europe has lost the plot.")? How does that measure spread among European countries?
Europe nations are mostly western nations. But due to issues like the EEU they are subject to EEU laws and regulations which operate more like socialist nations. Thats why Britain pulled out.

I used democracy and freedom in the same way most people understand. The freedoms that the west fought for such as free speech, religious freedoms, equality, justice, and the rule of law, A government elected by the people.
 
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Assuming that it wasn't a set up.
Actually I just found out that it was sort of setup. The US was working with the Venezulan military and they agreed to stand down while the operation happened.

In other words they sold out Maduro. That explains why it went so smooth.
Oh, it has. I don't see the positive down stream from this, though.
I agree. This is revolutionary in itself and will have to cause great upheaval either way. If Maduro stays more death and destruction and a bigger problem up the raod. Including the growth of terrorist against the US.

But now he has been taken out it will leave a power vacumn and anything could happen. Though it seems the Venezulan military are in charge along with the US embassy.

But the other big issue is going to be the Narcos and their militaries reaction.
The US has gone a bit to the left? Seriously? The US is under the control of a *right* party and not some moderate one either.
Yes now they are. But they were radically to the Left. This was the same issue that is facing Left leaning nations in Europe. Mainly the immigration issue and how the problems that were once outside these nations are now within.

So now many nations are toughening up immigration along with dealing with the terror and crime thats resulted. Some are taking extreme measures in response. But I think that is partly due to the extreme level these issues have become that its now a national security issue.
How do you tell the religious and not-so-religious nations of S. America.
I am saying the south American nations had a history similar to the US as far as religious belief. Mostly Christian and especially Catholic. They at least share this worldview with the US and other western nations. As opposed to no religion, evil, terrorism, Islamists and socialism/communism and dictatorships.
There are no "Islamists" involved here.
Hum I think we should wait and see. From what I have heard there is. as the Narcos are basically a criminal and terrorist organisation they have this in common. They are open to corruption.

Maduro welcomes terrorist groups to Venezuela, says report

How Venezuela Became a Sanctuary for Islamist Extremist and Terror Networks—and Why U.S. Action Was Necessary
 
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Europe nations are mostly western nations. But due to issues like the EEU they are subject to EEU laws and regulations which operate more like socialist nations. Thats why Britain pulled out.
Do you mean the EU? or E.E.U.U.? (Those are very different.) Britain did pull out of both, but one is in Europe, so I'm going to guess you mean the European Union. I don't know what EU nation is "not western". You can call the EU a regulatory state, because if it is anything, it is a mechanism for imposing uniform commercial and trade regulations. Since the EU doesn't run the welfare state nor own businesses or enforce member states to control the means of production. However "socialist" one might characterize various EU member states, it isn't the EU that made them do that.

I used democracy and freedom in the same way most people understand. The freedoms that the west fought for such as free speech, religious freedoms, equality, justice, and the rule of law, A government elected by the people.
I'll hold you to those principles.
 
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yeah, guess what much of the world now sees trump as a threat, We might have seen his words as mouthing off before venezuela well now no one think it's just mouthing off. The US is now seen as a threat and something to stop. It stopped being funny months ago, and now they are just threats. And unlike venezuela no one will ignore if he attacks Canada of greenland.
Actually I am thinking a growing number of nations are seeing him as hope as well. As someone who is actually taking action against some of this evil we know has been happening for decades. Who is bring waring nations together in peace treaties. Who is stopping the rot that is destroying many nations.

Look at Nigeria and the genocide of Christians. A Nigerian priest begged the world to help. No one was helping. The priest risked his life. Trump was the only one who helped.

Look at the freed hostages. Isreal is forever grateful and especially the families. Look at Iran. They were definitely building a neuclear weapon to use against Isreal and the west if necessary. They are definitely behind all this terror and no one was doing anything. Just watching them build a bomb to use against us. Trump set that back years and is continuing to monitor Iran.

Then theres the illegals and the massive fraud being exposed. Left unchecked and stopped for years.

Year some people see trump and the US as a threat. They are the bad guys, the terrorist, rapist, drug smugglers and murders who are threatening the modern world.

Thats not to say I am agreeing with all this. I am saying there are two ways to look at this if people want to get into morality
 
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This seems to be a reverse-tick removal. When removing a tick, it is vitally important to make sure that, whilst removing the body the head isn’t stuck inside…but here, they removed the head and left the body.
Yes and theres all that to deal with. But thats up to the Venezuelans. At present the Venezuelan military is running the nation along with the US embassy. They are working on government.

The opposition actually won the election so I am not sure. But its all up to Venezuelans. So long as they don't continue the Narco led government then it should be ok. So long as democracy is upheld and its fair for the people. What they want. I am sure they want peace and the freedom to live life. To have a government thats not a dictator and corrupt and stealing all their money.
The USA is the “Home of the Brave”, not everyone here fears immigrants.
Its not the fear of immigrants. But the fear of illegal immigrants and the problems they impost. Its a matter of national security now.
 
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