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Joy, tears and chants of "freedom" as Venezuelans - Bravo President Trump and his decisive actions

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I posted this in another thread. Maybe some here can benefit from it.

This is amnesty international report on the atrocities of the Maduro presidency in Venezuela from his “win” in 2024 to present. I am glad that the US had the courage to depose such a terrible dictator. And yet some here accuse the US of kidnapping and of international crimes. Of course none of these are Venezuelans or have a vested interest in the issue. The guy was a pig and needed to be removed.

Background​

The presidential election in July was fraught with controversy. Opposition parties to the government of Nicolás Maduro faced numerous obstacles to participating in the election, including obstructed registration, arbitrary detention of their members and torture.

Despite international pressure on the electoral authorities to publish detailed electoral results, including from the EU and other states in the region, such as Brazil and Colombia, the government rejected any form of inquiry and continued persecuting political opponents.

The Supreme Tribunal of Justice validated the appointment of Nicolás Maduro for a new term as president. Presidential candidate Edmundo González Urrutia, who had contested the results, fled the country in September and was granted asylum in Spain.

In February, staff of the , the UN human rights office, OHCHR were expelled from the country after reporting on Rocío San Miguel’s disappearance. By the end of the year, a small team of OHCHR staff had been readmitted into Venezuela.

The mandate of the UN Fact-Finding Mission on Venezuela was renewed for two years by the UN Human Rights Council, although the authorities had not granted access to the country by the end of the year. In October the mission published a report denouncing the continuation of a repression-state policy and crimes against humanity, with emphasis on the electoral and post-electoral crisis.

Right to life​

Between 28 July and 1 August, immediately after the presidential election, at least 24 people died as a result of the government’s repression of protests against the appointment of Nicolás Maduro. Most of these killings could amount to extrajudicial executions. Two of the victims were children and one police officer was reportedly killed. All but one of the deaths resulted from gunshot wounds. Human rights organizations pointed at the Bolivarian National Guard, Bolivarian National Police, army and pro-government civilian armed groups known as “colectivos” as the perpetrators of these killings.

Arbitrary detention and unfair trials​

Since the announcement of the presidential election results, the authorities intensified their policy of repression, including widespread arbitrary detentions on political grounds, enforced disappearances and torture. According to official figures, more than 2,000 people were detained after 28 July. By October, the NGO Foro Penal confirmed more than 1,900 of the detentions, of which 129 were of children. By the end of the year, the government had freed 1,369 people and detained 15 others. However, hundreds of people remained arbitrarily deprived of their liberty, including three children.

These mass arrests were carried out without either warrants or those detained being caught committing an illegal act. Many detainees were subjected to enforced disappearance for several days. They were forced to have court-appointed lawyers who lacked independence. Families of the detainees were denied information about their whereabouts for several days, including in cases where children were detained. The detainees were charged with generic terrorism-related offences and the hearings were conducted by counterterrorism courts, which lacked impartiality and independence. As of December, 221 women were still in detention.

Jesús Armas and Luis Tarbay, activists from the opposition political party Vente Venezuela, were arbitrarily arrested by unidentified individuals in Caracas on 11 and 24 December respectively. By the end of the year around 160 members of Vente Venezuela and 34 members of Primero Justicia, another opposition political party, were in detention or forcibly disappeared.

Between April and the end of the year, six members of Vente Venezuela requested asylum in the Argentinian embassy in the capital, Caracas. In August, after the government ceased diplomatic relations with Argentina, the Brazilian government took over the protection of the premises. By the end of the year, Venezuela had not granted safe conduct to the individuals to leave the country.

The government launched a new function in its mobile application VenApp to enable users to report government critics in the aftermath of the July presidential election. Denunciations via VenApp were supposedly responsible for many of the detentions after the election-related protests.1

The Attorney General announced the arrest of a prosecutor on charges of “intentional delay or omission of functions” for refusing to prosecute detainees for terrorism crimes following post-election protests.

Torture and other ill-treatment​

The UN Fact-Finding Mission on Venezuela reported allegations of torture of people detained before and after the presidential election.

Human rights organizations denounced torture and other ill-treatment in detention centres, including beatings, suffocation, electric shocks and threats, and sexual violence against women.

Children arbitrarily detained after the election were tortured to force them to incriminate themselves by stating on video that they had participated in the protests, according to relatives. In many cases children were detained with adults.

Searches at a women’s prison, the National Institute for Women’s Guidance, were reported. Videos shared on social media in August, recorded from outside the detention centre, captured the sound of women screaming that they were being tortured. Human rights organizations reported allegations of ill-treatment in La Crisálida detention centre, where women were detained after the post-election protests.

Inhumane detention conditions​

Prison conditions continued to deteriorate. The Venezuelan Prisons Observatory reported that inmates in Tocorón prison received only two glasses of water per day. Police cells continued to be used as prisons and, by September, overall prison overcrowding had exceeded 184% of capacity.

Protests continued to take place in pretrial detention centres due to procedural delays, overcrowding and lack of healthcare, according to NGOs.

Impunity​

Impunity for human rights violations and crimes under international law remained widespread. A report from the UN Fact-Finding Mission on Venezuela expressed deep concerns about the state’s lack of willingness to prosecute those suspected of criminal responsibility.

According to the civil society organization Venezuelan Programme for Education Action on Human Rights, six officers of the Bolivarian National Police Special Actions Force were sentenced in June for participating in an extrajudicial execution five years previously. There were still no convictions for 95% of killings during peaceful demonstrations between 2014 and 2024.

Venezuela was ranked lowest globally (142nd) in the World Justice Project Rule of Law Index 2024.

Right to truth, justice and reparation​

The Appeals Chamber of the ICC rejected the Venezuelan authorities’ appeal and confirmed the “decision authorizing the resumption of the investigation” into alleged crimes against humanity committed since at least 2014. Despite the lack of progress, the ICC Office of the Prosecutor inaugurated a new in-country office in Caracas “focused on complementarity activities and engagement with the national authorities”.

In September, a federal appeals court in Argentina ordered the arrest of President Nicolás Maduro and minister of interior Diosdado Cabello, among others, for alleged crimes against humanity committed since 2014.

Freedom of expression and assembly​

Throughout the year protests demanding economic and social rights occurred across the country. According to the Venezuelan Observatory on Social Conflict, between 29 and 30 July, 915 protests were registered, of which 138 were violently repressed. The presence of colectivos attacking and threatening protesters was recorded.

In the weeks before and after the presidential election, the authorities increasingly criticized demonstrations to generate fear and crush dissent.

At least 12 journalists were arbitrarily detained and attacks continued against independent media. The NGO Public Space registered 507 violations of the right to freedom of expression from January to September. The government continued shutting down radio stations and hindering access to social media platforms such as X (formerly Twitter). The authorities reportedly continued hacking and phishing the Instagram accounts of journalists and citizens.

Human rights defenders​

Human rights defenders remained seriously at risk. Parliament passed legislation allowing the government to control, monitor, and ultimately close down human rights NGOs. The law entered into force in December imposing deadlines on NGOs to register and fulfil the requirements of the law in order to be able to work in the country legally.

Human rights defender Javier Tarazona remained in detention. In February, human rights defender Rocío San Miguel was forcibly disappeared for three days alongside members of her family. She was later charged with terrorism, denied access to legal representation, and remained in detention at the end of the year. Activist, human rights defender and journalist Carlos Julio Rojas was detained in April and remained in detention at year’s end.

Three human rights defenders – Kennedy Tejeda, Edward Ocariz and Henry Gómez – were detained after the election. Kennedy Tejeda remained in detention at the end of the year.

The NGO Centre for Defenders and Justice recorded 979 attacks and security incidents against human rights defenders during 2024, an increase compared with 524 such events in 2023.

Refugees’ and migrants’ rights​

More than 7.89 million people had fled the country by the end of the year.

The CERD Committee denounced the administrative detention of refugees and migrants in Venezuela pending deportation without access to legal assistance or a procedure to access international protection. Refugees and migrants in the country also faced administrative, economic and geographical barriers to access their personal documentation.

Right to a healthy environment​

Despite requests from civil society organizations, Venezuela again failed to sign its accession to the Escazú Agreement, which aims to guarantee the rights to information, public participation and justice in environmental matters.

Frequent oil spills at El Palito refinery in Carabobo state severely impacted marine fauna. The lack of environmental public policies to address the spills and the opacity of information from the authorities was highlighted by activists and affected groups.

Economic, social and cultural rights​

Venezuela’s humanitarian crisis continued and economic, social and cultural rights were systematically violated. Poverty levels increased and the situation was aggravated by high fuel costs and scarcity of electricity and drinking water.

Electricity supply failure persisted. According to press reports, a blackout in August left 80% of the country without electricity; some areas were without power for 10 hours. There was no official technical report on the reasons for the blackout.

The CERD Committee reported high pupil dropout rates and a lack of qualified schoolteachers in its review on Venezuela in August.

Right to health​

The CERD Committee denounced the limited access to high-quality healthcare, mainly in rural areas or areas with a predominantly Indigenous population.

Treatment and access to health services for those suffering chronic diseases remained extremely precarious. The National Hospitals Survey, carried out in July by the civil society organization Doctors for Health, recorded that 57% of the monitored health centres lacked a regular water supply in critical areas such as emergency, intensive care and operating rooms. Scarcity of medical equipment and supplies was also reported in hospitals, with shortages of approximately 35%. People living with HIV continued to face scarcity of the resources necessary for their treatment, including diagnostic and infection control tests and breast milk substitutes for HIV-exposed infants.

Health-sector NGOs warned of the need to expand the coverage of vaccinations under the Expanded Plan of Immunization, and to guarantee and strengthen the Global Plan of Action published by the Pan American Health Organization, to prevent the reappearance of preventable diseases.

Right to food​

By December a basic food basket for a household of five cost the equivalent of USD 498.47, while the monthly minimum wage was only USD 2.36, leaving the majority of the population facing severe food insecurity.

In February, the UN Special Rapporteur on the right to food visited Venezuela. He reported that nearly 82% of the population were living in poverty and 53% were exposed to extreme poverty with insufficient income to purchase a basic food basket. He reported that people were having to reduce portion sizes, skip meals and buy less nutritious food items as a result of poverty. He also stated that women were disproportionately affected by food poverty since they were often the caregivers for their families and communities while working for a wage. Some women resorted to exchanging sex for food. Pregnant and breastfeeding women and girls were particularly at risk of undernourishment.

Amnesty International could write a dossier on Trump.with a number of similar violations.
 
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So I'll take care of your household decisions. You'll have no choice. I'm just going to come into your house and run things. And gee, if you're better off then how could you complain?

What? You think that's an idiotic thing to say?
If you'd like to come by and pay for installing solar on the house this spring (which will save me a lot in the long run), and in exchange you demand that I stop providing free wifi to the other neighbor that's constantly trying to hack you, and use my outbuilding for some free storage... sure, that seems like a reasonable agreement.
 
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If you'd like to come by and pay for installing solar on the house this spring (which will save me a lot in the long run), and in exchange you demand that I stop providing free wifi to the other neighbor that's constantly trying to hack you, and use my outbuilding for some free storage... sure, that seems like a reasonable agreement.
What has that got to do with anything?
 
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My question is, why isn't President Trump talking about destroying all the fentanyl producing laboratories?
IMHO - perhaps the issue is the media outlets you are listening to:

1. Trump on Designating Fentanyl as a “Weapon of Mass Destruction”

From the executive action and his remarks around it, Trump said publicly that:
  • “Illicit fentanyl is closer to a chemical weapon than a narcotic.” — this was part of the executive order signing language in December 2025, where he emphasized fentanyl’s lethality and national-security impact. The American Presidency Project
  • “We’re formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, which is what it is.” — reported remark explaining the rationale for the designation. Reuters
Those statements were aimed at framing fentanyl production/distribution not just as a law-enforcement issue but as a national security threat meriting broader government action. The White House

2. Trump on Taking Military or Covert Action Against Drug Sources

Trump has repeatedly characterized the fight against traffickers — including sources of fentanyl and other drugs — in combative terms:
  • “The cartels are trying to destroy our country.” — in a conversation with Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum, Trump used this language to justify potential military involvement against cartels. AP News
  • In comments about U.S. strikes on drug trafficking infrastructure (e.g., vessels and docks linked to drug smuggling), Trump said:
    “We hit all the boats, and now we hit the area… that is no longer around.” — referring to an operation in Venezuela alleged to target drug loading infrastructure. Reuters
  • “They know how I stand. We’re losing hundreds of thousands of people to drugs. So now we stopped the waterways… we know every route… They’re killing our people.” — Republican-quoted remarks emphasizing an aggressive stance against trafficking infrastructure (including land corridors). People.com
3. Broader Rhetorical Position on Fentanyl Supply

While not always specific to “destroying sources,” Trump’s public posture links fentanyl supply directly to foreign countries and trafficking networks:
  • In a 2025 speech to Congress, he said that lax border control and foreign policies had allowed “fentanyl to come into our country at levels never seen before, killing hundreds of thousands of our citizens and many very young, beautiful people, destroying families.” TIME

Links included - Trump has been speaking about stopping and destroying the narco terrorist trade for years.

Why is he only focusing on who is going to be running the country and all the oil?
Perhaps you are not listening - it has been less than He has been speaking about a myriad of issues regarding Venezuela - it's only been two days.
Shouldn't we be doing what the whole reason for the operation was? You know, the drugs? Another promise kept I guess.
That is what he is doing.
 
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Amnesty International could write a dossier on Trump.with a number of similar violations.
The Venezuelan's seem to be disagreeing en mass



 
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Celebrations are breaking out all over
That video is a combination of a rally in Argentina and AI. It's not from Caracas. The image below is from Buenos Aires, the same location shown in the video.

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That image was posted on this Facebook Profile on January 1st, before Maduro was arrested.

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People in Venezuela are still living under the same regime, so you're not going to see many people taking to the streets in that country celebrating the arrest of Maduro. There are pro-Maduro and anti-American protests taking place, though.

 
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Amnesty International could write a dossier on Trump.with a number of similar violations.
But they have not written a report on Trump. They wrote a report on Maduro. How come you are not complaining about Maduro and his abuses?
 
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But they have not written a report on Trump.
Actually they have.

Amnesty International raises human rights concerns following US’s military action in Venezuela

Today’s military action by the US Trump Administration in Venezuela, which resulted in the capture of Nicolás Maduro and Cilia Flores, raises grave concerns for the human rights of the Venezuelan population. It most likely constitutes a violation of international law, including the UN Charter, as does the stated US intention to run Venezuela and control its oil resources.

Amnesty International is particularly concerned about the risks of further escalation of human rights violations in the country, stemming either from additional US operations or from the Venezuelan government’s responses to the US attacks.


More than once.

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Actually they have.

Amnesty International raises human rights concerns following US’s military action in Venezuela

Today’s military action by the US Trump Administration in Venezuela, which resulted in the capture of Nicolás Maduro and Cilia Flores, raises grave concerns for the human rights of the Venezuelan population. It most likely constitutes a violation of international law, including the UN Charter, as does the stated US intention to run Venezuela and control its oil resources.

Amnesty International is particularly concerned about the risks of further escalation of human rights violations in the country, stemming either from additional US operations or from the Venezuelan government’s responses to the US attacks.


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The report is about the action not about Trump. In fact they don’t mention Trump at all in your linked report.

Did they write a report in 1989 when we invaded Panama and arrested Noriega?
 
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....Perhaps you are not listening - it has been less than He has been speaking about a myriad of issues regarding Venezuela - it's only been two days......
He was asking about the Venezuelan fentanyl production problem - if it exists. This was promoted by the Trump admin as the "casus belli".
 
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He was asking about the Venezuelan fentanyl production problem - if it exists. This was promoted by the Trump admin as the "casus belli".
Yes - he has been on television every day for months addressing it -
 
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The report is about the action not about Trump. In fact they don’t mention Trump at all in your linked report.
Here's one where they mention him specifically.

“One hundred days into his second term, President Trump has led with cruelty and chaos, creating a human rights emergency that has affected millions of people by suppressing dissent, undermining the rule of law, and eroding norms and institutions essential to the protection of human rights,” said Paul O’Brien, executive director of Amnesty International USA. “The Trump administration has fully embraced authoritarian tactics more commonly associated with repressive leaders to silence and punish those who disagree with him, while weaponizing the government against people and institutions in the United States and beyond to entrench his own power and further an anti-rights agenda.”

 
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Here's one where they mention him specifically.

“One hundred days into his second term, President Trump has led with cruelty and chaos, creating a human rights emergency that has affected millions of people by suppressing dissent, undermining the rule of law, and eroding norms and institutions essential to the protection of human rights,” said Paul O’Brien, executive director of Amnesty International USA. “The Trump administration has fully embraced authoritarian tactics more commonly associated with repressive leaders to silence and punish those who disagree with him, while weaponizing the government against people and institutions in the United States and beyond to entrench his own power and further an anti-rights agenda.”


There is a lot of rhetoric in that report and quite thin in evidence. Look I’m not a Trump supporter but I agree with the removal of Maduro. That’s my take. You guys that can’t spend two seconds without thinking about how terrible Trump is really should get a hobby.
 
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There is a lot of rhetoric in that report and quite thin in evidence. Look I’m not a Trump supporter but I agree with the removal of Maduro. That’s my take. You guys that can’t spend two seconds without thinking about how terrible Trump is really should get a hobby.
I'm not a Maduro supporter (far from it), but this was a bad idea. As for Trump, this was done by him. He cannot be removed from the discussion.
 
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I'm not a Maduro supporter (far from it), but this was a bad idea. As for Trump, this was done by him. He cannot be removed from the discussion.
Not asking for Trump to be removed from the discussion but merely pointing to the hypocrisy as no one whined about the 1989 removal of Noriega. I happen to agree with the removal of Maduro. That’s my opinion take it or leave it.
 
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Not asking for Trump to be removed from the discussion but merely pointing to the hypocrisy as no one whined about the 1989 removal of Noriega.
No one "whined" - except for the UN, which passed a resolution deeming it a flagrant violation of international law. And the Organization of American States, which denounced the action as imperialist and a "step backwards in international relations."
This particular statement from the Mexican government seems oddly relevant:
Mexico adopted a similar stand in a statement today.
The Government said it ''publicly censured the conduct of Mr. Manuel Antonio Noriega, and reiterated the need of radically facing the problem of drug smuggling. Nonetheless,'' it said, ''the combat of international crimes cannot be a motive for intervening in a sovereign nation.'' Calling for an ''immediate cessation of hostilities,'' the Mexican Government said, ''The Panamanian crisis must be resolved only by the Panamanian people.''
I happen to agree with the removal of Maduro. That’s my opinion take it or leave it.
And you're entitled to it. Your justifications seem pretty flimsy though.
 
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The question was: what is he doing about it. Not what is he saying.
Let's see:

  1. He started blowing the narco terrorist boats out of the water -
  2. He moved the fleet into the area along with warnings to Maduro
  3. Then he arrested the man who is in charge of the country producing the drugs under his authority.
What more do you want him to do?

Biden talked about it - Trump did it.

Flashback: Biden's 1989 no-nonsense warning to 'narco-terrorists' flooding US with drugs​

 
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I think it might be if we are being asked to accept the citizens of that country. Or if that country is sending terrorists our way.
You're confusing "asked" to accept as obligated to accept as most of the time we are left having to take in a countries citizens we cause instability via regime change.
 
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