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Hans I don't think you understand. I know what ID is. I am saying that any attempt to use science to support the idea that life did not form on its own will be regarded as ID or Creationism even if its not.
No it won't. I know the varieties, so do the others. If it ain't "ID" I won't be calling ID. I leave mischaracterizing things to others.
But if they are at a masive disadvantage then why even debate it ?
Thats because its about Creation and Evolution. People are allowed to use whatever they want as Creationism or ID are part of Creationism. They have been allowed to use the science.
What is the difference between ID and science that shows Gods creation was not something that came about on its own. We would have to be showing that the same science shows Gods involvement and not just self creating naturalism.
I wouldn't know. You'll have to go find some first.
The first key is to know what you are actually talking about.
I thought you said you will know which varieties are ok. Can you explain what it would even look like. I thought any attempt to link Gods creation as purposeful in creating life would be seen as some form of Creationism or ID. If we don't make that link then its just naturalism lol.
Perhaps it is you who doesn't understand the situation.
That's a you problem, not a me problem. I'm not on the lookout for science that proves gods creations etc.
The mystery of life. How did life arise from non-life? Even as a Lover of God I lean heavily towards science to work on that question. Knowing that in the scientific community there is no "definitive consensus" regarding Life's origin, which I have absolutely no issue with, I try to keep an ear open to those ongoing developments when they cross my path. Personally I completely believe you wrongly vilify those of the scientific community. To what end, I don't know.
Lol so how can you tell then ? You said you will know when its presented.
Deeper than that. The basic rules had to be consistent with the earth bringing forth life. This is where ID becomes more than just YE creationism. Some IDers like Michael Denton recognize that the universe had to be "front loaded" for life to appear, which did so by natural means.
The issue is that God does many things in this world by natural means. Our physical selves, for example.
Yes, just like Pink Floyds song "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun". It had to be setup from the very beginning to end up where it is. Even if the vehicle is natural.
Yes and so its hard to show Gods creation is what led to life. Because the exact same nature that skeptics use. Then it comes down to belief. Whether that nature could form itself randomly or accidently. Or with some preloaded laws or aspects that were geared towards life coming about.
It's not something I have any need to seek out. I'm not trying to use it to make a point, so I don't look around for "science that proves god".
