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‘Everybody’s had it’: Backlash to Charlotte bishop’s ban of altar rails, kneelers

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Priests as well as the lay faithful are voicing criticisms after Bishop Michael Martin of the Diocese of Charlotte, North Carolina, issued a pastoral letter last week prohibiting the use of altar rails and kneelers in the reception of Communion in the diocese.

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Priests as well as the lay faithful are voicing criticisms after Bishop Michael Martin of the Diocese of Charlotte, North Carolina, issued a pastoral letter last week prohibiting the use of altar rails and kneelers in the reception of Communion in the diocese.

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He’s so Synodal.
 
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Just kneel without the rail. I've seen it many times.
(I just fear tripping someone ;) )
I’d fall over trying to get up. An actual rail is what makes it even possible for me.
 
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I’d fall over trying to get up. An actual rail is what makes it even possible for me.
And for some the rail wouldn't help either. It's one of the reasons for removing it.
 
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I’d fall over trying to get up. An actual rail is what makes it even possible for me.
:) Between the degenerative disc disease in my back, the arthritis in my back, knees, and hips, and the old bits of shrapnel lodged in my spine, I couldn't just kneel on the floor, either. I also have balance issues, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger.

In my old parish, the (very traditional) priest used to have one of the altar boys bring a kneeler up to the front and pace it at a right angle to where Father was standing; those who wanted to receive while kneeling simply stepped to one side, knelt, and received. All Father had to do was turn slightly. It didn't interrupt the flow of communicants, and everybody was happy. Simple.
 
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:) Between the degenerative disc disease in my back, the arthritis in my back, knees, and hips, and the old bits of shrapnel lodged in my spine, I couldn't just kneel on the floor, either. I also have balance issues, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger.

In my old parish, the (very traditional) priest used to have one of the altar boys bring a kneeler up to the front and pace it at a right angle to where Father was standing; those who wanted to receive while kneeling simply stepped to one side, knelt, and received. All Father had to do was turn slightly. It didn't interrupt the flow of communicants, and everybody was happy. Simple.
Good idea
 
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:)

In my old parish, the (very traditional) priest used to have one of the altar boys bring a kneeler up to the front and pace it at a right angle to where Father was standing; those who wanted to receive while kneeling simply stepped to one side, knelt, and received. All Father had to do was turn slightly. It didn't interrupt the flow of communicants, and everybody was happy. Simple.
That's essentially what we do in my parish, we put two kneelers up front to give people a choice. The priest mixes things up, some masses we have some Latin, the Agnus Dei and maybe a Latin choral or hymn. On occasion the priest says mass with his back to the people, he has explaiend the tradtion. And our pastor often wears a bireta, for the procession at the beginning and end and the early part of the mass. Every once in a while we say the St. Michael prayer at the end of the mass. Our numbers are increasing.
 
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That's essentially what we do in my parish, we put two kneelers up front to give people a choice. The priest mixes things up, some masses we have some Latin, the Agnus Dei and maybe a Latin choral or hymn. On occasion the priest says mass with his back to the people, he has explaiend the tradtion. And our pastor often wears a bireta, for the procession at the beginning and end and the early part of the mass. Every once in a while we say the St. Michael prayer at the end of the mass. Our numbers are increasing.
The parish where I often attend Mass, also put kneelers at the end of the pews in the front, which eliminated their use by the congregation.
It's a ridiculous move to support the few radicals who insist on kneeling to receive as if everyone else is being irreverent.
 
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That's essentially what we do in my parish, we put two kneelers up front to give people a choice. The priest mixes things up, some masses we have some Latin, the Agnus Dei and maybe a Latin choral or hymn. On occasion the priest says mass with his back to the people, he has explaiend the tradtion. And our pastor often wears a bireta, for the procession at the beginning and end and the early part of the mass. Every once in a while we say the St. Michael prayer at the end of the mass. Our numbers are increasing.
I'd say that's the commonsense, practical way to accommodate everybody. I don't understand why some people make such a big deal out of it. So somebody wants to receive kneeling; that's not exactly like nailing 95 theses to the church door.

My former pastor used to use quite a bit of Latin, too; he always wore a cassock, but I think I only saw him in a biretta once. :) The parish continues to use Latin and kneelers, with the new, young pastor. The priest who instituted these practices eventually transferred to a different parish---and he is now the confessor for my *current* pastor. How cool is that? :)
The parish where I often attend Mass, also put kneelers at the end of the pews in the front, which eliminated their use by the congregation.
It's a ridiculous move to support the few radicals who insist on kneeling to receive as if everyone else is being irreverent.
So anybody who wants to receive the Body and Blood of Christ in a manner which they feel to be reverent, humble, and respectful is suddenly a radical???

Wow. Just.....wow. :oops:
 
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I'd say that's the commonsense, practical way to accommodate everybody. I don't understand why some people make such a big deal out of it. So somebody wants to receive kneeling; that's not exactly like nailing 95 theses to the church door.

My former pastor used to use quite a bit of Latin, too; he always wore a cassock, but I think I only saw him in a biretta once. :) The parish continues to use Latin and kneelers, with the new, young pastor. The priest who instituted these practices eventually transferred to a different parish---and he is now the confessor for my *current* pastor. How cool is that? :)

So anybody who wants to receive the Body and Blood of Christ in a manner which they feel to be reverent, humble, and respectful is suddenly a radical???

Wow. Just.....wow. :oops:
I kind of like the idea of having an option to kneel but I doubt my pastor would go for it. I’m not even sure I could safely get up from the kneeler, even if it was there…..I have to be careful getting up from the kneeler in confession.
 
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I kind of like the idea of having an option to kneel but I doubt my pastor would go for it. I’m not even sure I could safely get up from the kneeler, even if it was there…..I have to be careful getting up from the kneeler in confession.
I could get up from a kneeler if it had sides and wasn't just some glorified low stool with a cushion. I'd need something to hold on to to leverage myself back into standing position. My parish has no accommodation but people are allowed to kneel. I don't simply because I'd never get up from the floor. It's not because I think standing is better, or because I think those who do kneel are showoffs.
 
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:) Between the degenerative disc disease in my back, the arthritis in my back, knees, and hips, and the old bits of shrapnel lodged in my spine, I couldn't just kneel on the floor, either. I also have balance issues, so don't feel like the Lone Ranger.

In my old parish, the (very traditional) priest used to have one of the altar boys bring a kneeler up to the front and pace it at a right angle to where Father was standing; those who wanted to receive while kneeling simply stepped to one side, knelt, and received. All Father had to do was turn slightly. It didn't interrupt the flow of communicants, and everybody was happy. Simple.
So simple.
 
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