ICE plans $100 million ‘wartime recruitment’

DaisyDay · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Nope - not at all - perhaps you keep missing mine.

Can you accurately describe @wing2000's point?

dogs4thewin · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Enforcing the law is a waste of resources? They are deported because that is what the law prescribes. Ask Barack Hussein Obama who deported more people than any other modern president. Was he wasting resources?

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

During the Biden administration (January 20, 2021, to January 20, 2025), U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) recorded approximately 10–11 million nationwide migrant encounters. These include apprehensions between ports of entry, inadmissibles at ports, and expulsions under Title 42 (a public health measure used until May 2023).

Nationwide Encounters

Securing America's Borders

www.cbp.gov

deporting people whose ONLY crime is being on this soil at this point is. Now, if they are EITHER otherwise breaking the law in any way even if it is something for which a citizen or even legal resident would do little or no time for think petti shoplifting or even a traffic violation then OK deport them if they are using public resources ( not like schools) but like food stamps, Medicaid systems like that OK deport them, but if their only crime is being here and they are paying taxes and not using public resources then tracking them down and spending money to deport them while losing those taxes really makes no sense. Now, that does not mean I do not support tight border controls going from here on out.

Always in His Presence · Jan 3, 2026

dogs4thewin said:
deporting people whose ONLY crime is being on this soil at this point is.

That isn't what US Code1325 says - if we do not like the code - then let's change it - not ignore it. It's a slippery slope - when the populace determines what laws are followed and which ones are not - it negates the rule of law.

Always in His Presence · Jan 3, 2026

dogs4thewin said:
but if their only crime is being here and they are paying taxes

I'd like to address this - speaking of Illegal Aliens

Because they are here illegally - they cannot

Obtain Work VISA's
Obtain Green Cards
Obtain Social Security numbers.

Because you have to be legal to get any of those.

So how do they pay income taxes?

RocksInMyHead · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
So how do they pay income taxes?

Taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) | Internal Revenue Service

Review the various taxpayer identification numbers (TIN) the IRS uses to administer tax laws. Find the TIN you need and how to get it.

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The IRS doesn't care about your legal status or how you make your money, so long as they get their cut.

If they're working for a company with a payroll system, the company still has to deduct payroll taxes. And, obviously, they pay sales taxes.

Always in His Presence · Jan 3, 2026

RocksInMyHead said:
If they're working for a company with a payroll system, the company still has to deduct payroll taxes. And, obviously, they pay sales taxes.

Have you never had a job?

Work Documents: What Do You Need for Employment in the US?

When onboarding a new employee, there are several documents employers need to process and keep on file. Here are the work documents you need to collect from new employees:

Proof of identification
I-9 form
W-4 form

NONE of which an Illegal Alien has or can get.

An aside: If you regard sales tax as part of the tax system that people pay into - you should fully support the top 1% because they pay more sales tax.

dogs4thewin · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
I'd like to address this - speaking of Illegal Aliens

Because they are here illegally - they cannot

Obtain Work VISA's

Obtain Green Cards

Obtain Social Security numbers.

Because you have to be legal to get any of those.

So how do they pay income taxes?

They would still be paying sales tax if nothing else which is really the fairest kind of tax, anyway.

Always in His Presence · Jan 3, 2026

dogs4thewin said:
They would still be paying sales tax if nothing else which is really the fairest kind of tax, anyway.

Thanks for your opinion - but they DO NOT pay into the system. That my friend, is the weakest excuse I have heard. They are illegal aliens, they do not pay into the federal tax system.

dogs4thewin · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Thanks for your opinion - but they DO NOT pay into the system. That my friend, is the weakest excuse I have heard. They are illegal aliens, they do not pay into the federal tax system.

I am pretty sure they do

Always in His Presence · Jan 3, 2026

dogs4thewin said:
I am pretty sure they do

Based on what? Not taxes from wages as already shown - not on State sales tax - what's the basis for your 'pretty sure'?

dogs4thewin · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Based on what? Not taxes from wages as already shown - not on State sales tax - what's the basis for your 'pretty sure'?

One thing is that I have an older friend that I trust that used to work at one of the tax preparetion places several years back who they had illegals come in all the time. When she asked them why they paid taxes from which they could not benefit they said that when Reagan did his amnesty he required that people had a clean record and paid taxes; therefore if Obama, this was right around the time he took office did the same thing they wanted to prove they had pulled their weight. The other one is that my late grandfather hired them to work on his farm and when they complained about taxes being taken out my grandmother explained that she had to under the law. Now, we argue all day long that my family and others should not hire illegals, however, the fact is it is tough to get Americans to work those manual out in the heat jobs and even if it was not the issue in this post was about my claim that they pay taxes not about whether Americans are willing to work those type jobs

BCP1928 · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Have you never had a job?

Work Documents: What Do You Need for Employment in the US?

When onboarding a new employee, there are several documents employers need to process and keep on file. Here are the work documents you need to collect from new employees:

Proof of identification

I-9 form

W-4 form

NONE of which an Illegal Alien has or can get.

An aside: If you regard sales tax as part of the tax system that people pay into - you should fully support the top 1% because they pay more sales tax.

Not legally. Generally the labor contractors provide them.

Nithavela · Jan 3, 2026

dogs4thewin said:
deporting people whose ONLY crime is being on this soil at this point is. Now, if they are EITHER otherwise breaking the law in any way even if it is something for which a citizen or even legal resident would do little or no time for think petti shoplifting or even a traffic violation then OK deport them if they are using public resources ( not like schools) but like food stamps, Medicaid systems like that OK deport them, but if their only crime is being here and they are paying taxes and not using public resources then tracking them down and spending money to deport them while losing those taxes really makes no sense. Now, that does not mean I do not support tight border controls going from here on out.

I think that something like a speeding ticket shouldn't result in a deportation for such a person.

Always in His Presence · Jan 3, 2026

Nithavela said:
I think that something like a speeding ticket shouldn't result in a deportation for such a person.

It is the penalty for crossing the border is deportation

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · Jan 3, 2026

The money would be better use in programs, that help people.

ViaCrucis · Jan 3, 2026

ICE recruiting gun-toting lunatics? Golly, I'm totally shocked.

However, as it turned out, he was not shocked at all.

RocksInMyHead · Jan 3, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Have you never had a job?

Work Documents: What Do You Need for Employment in the US?

When onboarding a new employee, there are several documents employers need to process and keep on file. Here are the work documents you need to collect from new employees:

Proof of identification

I-9 form

W-4 form

NONE of which an Illegal Alien has or can get.

You do realize there are other ways to file taxes than through your employer, right? Even if you're a drug dealer working exclusively in cash, you can (and legally have to) still file a tax return. The IRS doesn't care how you get your money or whether you're in the country legally.

Always in His Presence said:
An aside: If you regard sales tax as part of the tax system that people pay into - you should fully support the top 1% because they pay more sales tax.

As an absolute number, possibly. As a percentage of their income, absolutely not. Sales tax is a poor way to tax the rich because rich people don't actually buy all that much stuff. On average, the top 1% pays about 1% of their income in sales tax. The bottom 20% pays about 7% of their income, and everyone else averages about 5%.

Sales tax isn't a huge revenue source relative to income tax, but it is still a tax, and illegal immigrants pay it. They are, therefore, taxpayers, by definition.

essentialsaltes · Jan 5, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
Have you never had a job?
Proof of identification
I-9 form
W-4 form

NONE of which an Illegal Alien has or can get.

Have you never had a job?

The company gives you blank I-9s and W-4s to fill out.

It's not hard to get the forms.

Now if E-verify were mandatory, they might have more impact.

Always in His Presence · Jan 5, 2026

essentialsaltes said:
Have you never had a job?

The company gives you blank I-9s and W-4s to fill out.

It's not hard to get the forms.

Now if E-verify were mandatory, they might have more impact.

You are joking right?

How do you fill out an I-9 or W-4 without a Social security number -

essentialsaltes · Jan 5, 2026

Always in His Presence said:
You are joking right?

No, you spoke of being unable to 'get' these forms. Obviously that's not a problem

Always in His Presence said:
How do you fill out an I-9 or W-4 without a Social security number -

You may have to sit down for this, but they may use false information.

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